No room for US Navy Bases in Black Sea

[ekrem]

Russian Navy commander visits Turkey


MOSCOW, February 22 (RIA Novosti) - Russia's chief naval commander has arrived in Turkey to meet with the country's senior navy officials and attend a joint naval exercise, a Russian delegation official said Friday.

Admiral Vladimir Masorin will take part in talks on the Turkish operation Black Sea Harmony, visit a naval base at Golcuk, and inspect a Russian naval group that is currently on a visit to Turkey, the official said.

Black Sea Harmony is a security initiative advanced by Turkey in 2004. The operation is designed to patrol the Bosphorus and Dardanelle straits, shadowing suspicious ships, and is similar to NATO's Operation Active Endeavor in the Mediterranean.

Turkey, a NATO member, has invited the countries within the Black Sea Naval Cooperation Task Group (Blackseafor - Russia, Georgia, Bulgaria, Romania, and Ukraine) to participate in the operation.

Established in 1998, also on Turkey's initiative, Blackseafor conducts search and rescue operations, cleans sea mines, monitors the environment, and organizes goodwill visits among Black Sea countries.

The Russian naval group, consisting of guided missile cruiser Moskva, large amphibious ship Azov and two auxiliary vessels, will participate in a joint exercise for communication and maneuvering at the end of the visit.

The Russian and Turkish navies conducted a similar exercise in the southwestern part of the Black Sea in July last year.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060224/43745915.html

The 1936 signed Montreaux-treaty gives Turkey almost controll of Black Sea.
Every country must give Turkey Information over Navy Size and weight of ships stationed there.

US wants to establich Navy Base in Romania, but this is restricted by Montreaux-Treaty.
US ships only have the right to be in Black Sea for 21 days. After this period they must leave. The weight sum of USA for exapmle has to be under 20.000 Tonnes of weight.
Also US subs or heavy war-ships are restricted to enter Black sea from Bosphorus.

Article 18.

(1) The aggregate tonnage which non-Black Sea Powers may have in that sea in time of peace shall be limited as follows:

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) below, the aggregate tonnage of the said Powers shall not exceed 30.000 tons;

(b) If at any time the tonnage ot the strongest fleet in the Black Sea shall exceed by at least 10.000 tons the tonnage of the strongest fleet in that sea at the date of the signature of the present Convention, the aggregate tonnage of 30.000 tons mentioned in paragrahp (a) shall be increased by the same amount, up to a maximum of 45,000 tons. For this purpose, each Black Sea Power shall, in conformity with Annex IV to the present Convention, inform the Turkish Govrnment, on the 1 st January and the 1st July of each year, of the total tonnage of its fleet in the Black Sea; and the Turkish Government shall transmit this information to the other High Contracting Parties and to the Secretary-General of the League of Nations;

(c) The tonnage which any one non-Black Sea Power may have in the Black Sea shall be limited to two-thirds of the aggregate tonnage provided for in paragraphs (a) and (b) above;

(d) In the event, however, of one or more non-Black Sea Powers desiring to send naval forces into the Black Sea, for a humanitarian purpose, the said forces, which shall in no case exceed 8.000 tons altogether, shall be allowed to enter the Black Sea without having to give the notification provided for in Article 13 of the present Convention, provided an authorisation is obtained from the Turkish Government in the following circumstances: if the figure of the aggregate tonnage specified in paragraphs (a) and (b) above has not been reaached and will not be exceeded by the despatch of the forces which it is desired to send, the Turkish Government shall grant the said authorisation within the shortest possible time after receiving the request which has been addressed to it; if the said figure has already been reached or if the despatch of the forces which it is desired to send will cause it to be exceeded, the Turkish Go',ernment will immediately inform the other Black Sea Powers of the request for authorisation, and if the said Powers make no objection within twenty-four hours of having received this information, the Turkish Government shall, within forty-eight hours at the latest, inform the interested Powers of the reply which it has decided to make to their request.

Any further entry into the Black Sea of naval forces of non-Black Sea Powers shall only be effected within the available limits of the aggregate tonnage provided for in paragraphs (a) and (b) above.

(2) Vessels of war belonging to non-Black Sea Powers shall not remain in the Black Sea more than twenty-one days, whatever be the object of their presence there.

Turkey participates in NATO's "Active endaveur" which ranges from Gibraltar to east Mediteranian sea. USA pressures Turkey to expand this maneuver on to Black Sea. Turkey refuses.
Also with non-cancelation of Montreaux Treaty there will be no US Navy Bases in Black Sea for example in Romania or Bulgaria beacuse Montreaux Treaty restricts such things for external non-Black-Sea countries.


Now with visit of Russian navy chief in Turkey and establishing of "Active endevour"-alike with Russia in Black Sea, Russia and Turkey renewed policy of No USA in and around Black Sea.

 

[dmp]

Okay!

 

[NATO AIR]

easy fix.

set up a contract with Romania and an American private military firm to augment and upgrade the Romanian Navy, which can be done in about 5-7 years with a good-sized contract with a wide scope for reform and rehab.

Turkey likes to play hardball now, just wait until Iraq splits and we have an independent Kurdistan.

 

[ekrem]

easy fix.
(...)

Turkey likes to play hardball now, just wait until Iraq splits and we have an independent Kurdistan.

- Turk, be proud, work hard, fear nobody -
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

- The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins -
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

 

[NATO AIR]

not to knock Turkey, but if they want to piss on their friendship with America, then so be it. We can't stop your Islamist leaders from ruining a decades-long positive relationship because our President and his staff made a key mistake in the run up to the Iraq war.

 

[ekrem]

not to knock Turkey, but if they want to piss on their friendship with America, then so be it. We can't stop your Islamist leaders from ruining a decades-long positive relationship because our President and his staff made a key mistake in the run up to the Iraq war.

- The strength you need is in your noble blood within your veins -
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk



Yes friendship preching is one thing, friendship acting is another thing....
No cuddle-snuggle anymore even not by pro USA Turks or pro-Turkey Americans. Things are as they are.


You harbour and save Anti-Turkish terrorists, we have 1. the power
http://www.strategypage.com/fyeo/howtomakewar/databases/armies/e.asp

and 2. the sympathy of all Turks worldwide in Azerbaycan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Iran-Azeris, Chinese-Uyghurs, Uzbekistan and Kirgizistan.

to achieve our interests.


http://www.insightmag.com/Media/MediaManager/turkey_0.htm

Hope that the day Turks cross boarder, and US tries to stop Turks, will never come. If so, Turks will make US-public wish days back where US was not in Mid-East.
We will kill all our Terrorists and them who think it is a good idea to stand on Anti-Turkish terrorist side, be it black yellow white or from Moon.





Turkish veteran carrying 300 kg bomb in Gallipoli

http://www.gallipolidigger.com/
http://www.korean-war.com/turkey.html


Tells me of friendship, easy to talk when it is not your people dying and you sit and watch and talk of friendship...
byebye, especially to Dilloduck and Said1. The "islamo-fascist citizen" is out and will not return.

 

[NATO AIR]

How about addressing your issues with the Kurds in N. Iraq?

 

[Said1]

I think you should reconsider your departure. Maybe Nato's words won't seem so harsh in the morning.

 

[NATO AIR]

I think you should reconsider your departure. Maybe Nato's words won't seem so harsh in the morning.

I didn't intend to be harsh, just realistic.

Turkey's leadership is needlessly antagonizing Americans.

I understand that the Bush Administration made a dreadful error in how they treated both Turkey's democracy and Turkey's interests in the run-up to the Iraq war. Our diplomacy was utterly incompetent and embarassing, proof of how far our diplomats have fallen in recent years as leftist idealogy and neoconservative idealogy has destroyed a once solid core from within.

I also encourage Turkey to be an international power, to assume its role as a leader in the Middle East. But to be a great power does not mean to ruin relationships with friends like the US, even if they have made dreadful errors in policy making.

Turkey could be a moderate Islamic power compared to Wahabbi Saudi and Shiite Iran, spreading its positive influence throughout Central Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.

As noted, Turks are everywhere in the world, with the Turkish disapora one of the most impressive and educated. What was once a great civilization can and should be again.

 

[Said1]

I didn't intend to be harsh, just realistic.

Turkey's leadership is needlessly antagonizing Americans.

I understand that the Bush Administration made a dreadful error in how they treated both Turkey's democracy and Turkey's interests in the run-up to the Iraq war. Our diplomacy was utterly incompetent and embarassing, proof of how far our diplomats have fallen in recent years as leftist idealogy and neoconservative idealogy has destroyed a once solid core from within.

I also encourage Turkey to be an international power, to assume its role as a leader in the Middle East. But to be a great power does not mean to ruin relationships with friends like the US, even if they have made dreadful errors in policy making.

Turkey could be a moderate Islamic power compared to Wahabbi Saudi and Shiite Iran, spreading its positive influence throughout Central Asia, North Africa and the Middle East.

As noted, Turks are everywhere in the world, with the Turkish disapora one of the most impressive and educated. What was once a great civilization can and should be again.

I didn't think you were being harsh.

You're right though, the potential is there.

 

[NATO AIR]

I didn't think you were being harsh.

You're right though, the potential is there.

Yes, much more even so than South Korea, their potential to be great is very important to the 21st Century. And also like South Korea, if they can just overcome (not forget or forgive) their historical problems (the Kurds in this case), they can move lightyears beyond where they are now.

 

[Gunny]

Okay!

Really. Seems to me bottling our fleet up in a bathtub is more a detriment than an asset.