No Peace With Palestinians

[rhodescholar]

Here is a lesson in how to succeed in ending peace negotiations.

Bad Faith: Israel Provides Documents Showing Palestinians Planned To Blow Up Peace Talks

Bounties for terror: Another Palestinian payout | New York Post

"Of course, the PA sends stipends to every terrorist who kills Israelis, or to the survivors of those killed in their own attack. The benefit is written into the PA constitution, the Basic Law of Palestine.

The official PA daily is calling the attack a “car ramming operation” and lauding Qanbar as a shahid, or martyr.

By this, as Palestinian Media Watch notes, the “PA is telling its people that murdering the Israeli youths was sanctioned by Islam and seen as positive Islamic behavior.”"

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I would end the PA TODAY, and mass deport all of the arab muslims (not the Druze or Bedouins) back to either syria, jordan or sinai/egypt, their choice. The game is up, and this charade/fraud by the fakestinians needs to be terminated by the sane amongst us.

 

[rhodescholar]

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland....

How much do c-nts like you get paid to lie on internet forums?

 

[rhodescholar]

Yes but what really ticks me off is how those Zionists want us to believe this endless conflict is entirely the fault of Palestinians. How those Zionists never admit their role in continuously fueling the conflict with peace offerings to Palestinians, a security fence & land concessions to Palestinians. Just look at the result of Israel's failed Zionist agenda with rocket missiles & no peace negotiations for a thank you. Time for those Zionists in Israel to start treating the Palestinians with the same Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. And never a complaint about it by the Palestinains or their supporters. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Its time to do the fakestinians what assad did to them in syria at latakia a two/three years ago. Too bad the c-nts at the NYT and maor news media outlets barely covered it since it did not fit their narrative.

 

[rhodescholar]

Never was any great love affair between the Arabs & Palestinians...

Ex-Israeli intelligence chief says Arab countries ready to throw Palestinians to the dogs
Tuesday 10th January, 2017 - Many Arab countries are fed up with the Palestinians, a former head of the Israeli intelligence service Mossad has told The Jeruslaem Post....

Given how the rest of the world has had enough of the fakestinians, its time the charade ended and they returned to syria, jordan and egypt.

 

[rhodescholar]

Not so. When the United States made a land grab in 1848 there was no international law forbidding the acquisition of land thru war. This changed after the Second World War and was in place in 1967 when the Israelis moved into the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.

I think you are confused with who attacked who, ******* moron.

 

[Shusha]

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

First, we were discussing the legal aspects of the conflict. You will get absolutely no argument from me that the Arab Palestinian people should have recognition, self-determination and sovereignty. (The sooner the better, can you encourage them to get on with it?)

The difference between our points of view is that you think the border between the two states has already been established and that is incorrect. The border between the two States needs to be negotiated, as per all treaties and all resolutions up until a few days ago, not to mention the normal course of international relations.

Second, the blockade of Gaza is a direct result of Gazan military force and, remember, you can't change borders or gain territory by force, so it is utterly pointless violence which only serves to harm the Israel and Gazan citizens. The blockade can be over in one year. All Gaza has to do is quit committing pointless violence. Why do you not suggest they do so?

And third, why is the mere presence of Jewish people a problem? (OMG! But there's a JEW living there?!) There are lots of Arabs in Israel. Jews and Arabs get along just fine. Why can't they get along just fine in a new State of Palestine? Should Palestine be Judenrien? Why or why not? Should we apply the same concepts equally and make Israel Arab Muslim-free? Who or why not?

See, the crux of your argument is that Jews can't live on certain pieces of land. And yet you are part of the group which complains vehemently about the "deliberate ethnic cleansing" of the Palestinians in the 1948 war of Israel's independence. So which is it? Is it morally correct to require that certain pieces of land be free of people of a certain ethnic or religious group?

 

[Eloy]

The right of Israel to change its borders against the will of the Palestinians was recognized at the time as illegal both on the grounds that borders cannot be changed by war ...

If, as you say, borders can not be changed by war then Jordan and Egypt could not have attained sovereignty over any part of the Mandate for Palestine outside their own international borders. The military force of Jordan and Egypt can not have created or changed any borders.

We have eliminated Jordan and Egypt as possible sovereigns of the territory at any time. That leaves only two choices. Either it was ALL the territory was Israel or it was terra nullius.

In neither case did Israel "change her borders". Israel either re-captured territory which she had sovereignty over. Or Israel exerted control over territory which belonged to no one (and still belongs to no one). There simply are no other choices.

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

"A record of unspeakable odium"? Don'y you think you're exaggerating, Eloy?

Sadly, the record of shabby treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis is there for all to see and will never be forgotten.

 

[rhodescholar]

Israel has never acquired another's sovereign territory by force.

Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, Southern Lebanon, the West Bank and Gaza Strip...

Those are called DEFENSIVE WARS idiot asshole; when a country is attacked it is allowed to defend itself.

Say, why was egypt, jordan and syria fighting those wars, if the conflict was between israel and the alleged "indigenous" arab muslims who call themselves "palestinians"? Why weren't they themselves fighting?

Oh, that's right - they are as total a ******* fraud as a turd like you.

 

[MJB12741]

Yes but what really ticks me off is how those Zionists want us to believe this endless conflict is entirely the fault of Palestinians. How those Zionists never admit their role in continuously fueling the conflict with peace offerings to Palestinians, a security fence & land concessions to Palestinians. Just look at the result of Israel's failed Zionist agenda with rocket missiles & no peace negotiations for a thank you. Time for those Zionists in Israel to start treating the Palestinians with the same Arab country love, justice & respect the Palestinians are so well accustomed to & so well deserve. And never a complaint about it by the Palestinains or their supporters. LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Its time to do the fakestinians what assad did to them in syria at latakia a two/three years ago. Too bad the c-nts at the NYT and maor news media outlets barely covered it since it did not fit their narrative.

It is amazing how the Palestinians & their supporters never ***** about surrounding Arab country of Palestinians with all the massacres & leaving them as refugees from their homelands. And yet they ***** about Israel's treatment of Palestinians with peace offerings, security fence & land concessions so they can stay. It's called Palestinian mentality

 

[Shusha]

Israel has never acquired another's sovereign territory by force.

Golan Heights, East Jerusalem, Southern Lebanon, the West Bank and Gaza Strip...

Wait? Are you saying Israel holds sovereignty over all of these territories?

 

[rhodescholar]

Israel withdrew from both Southern Lebanon and Gaza, with disastrous results. Maybe if both those withdrawals had produced good results, Israel would be more willing to make compromises on a strategic plateau in a volatile country, as well as in its heartland.

The entire conflict can be placed on one single notion: the arab muslim will not tolerate the sovereignty or self-governing right of anyone else in the middle east.

There is not a single country other than arab muslim-controlled nations in the mideast other than Israel, and look how hard and for how long the arab muslim filth have been trying to destroy it. Lebanon was a christian run country since the year 0, and the muslims pulled their usual Conquering Method by moving there en masse (just like Germany and Sweden today!) and once these animals reach a certain percentage of the population, begin to use violence to take over.

The Yazidis, Maronites, Coptics, Chaldeans, Assyrian, Azeri, Bahai, Maneachans, and so many others are well acquainted with the intolerance, racism, and violence of the arab muslims - the jews are not unique in this respect - they've merely fought harder to protect themselves.

 

[rhodescholar]

Sadly, the record of shabby treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis is there for all to see and will never be forgotten.

Another mentally ill piece of shit on the forum to troll...there must be a sewer in Newark where these arab muslim turds crawl out of.

 

[montelatici]

I could give a crap about Muslims or Jews. I support the right of return for the Christian Palestinians that were evicted from their land by the European Jews. 35% of the Palestinians world-wide are Christians.

 

[Eloy]

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

First, we were discussing the legal aspects of the conflict. You will get absolutely no argument from me that the Arab Palestinian people should have recognition, self-determination and sovereignty. (The sooner the better, can you encourage them to get on with it?)

I am not a lawyer and were I to allow myself to get into legal semantics, nothing would be clarified for another 50 years. Meanwhile ...

The difference between our points of view is that you think the border between the two states has already been established and that is incorrect. The border between the two States needs to be negotiated, as per all treaties and all resolutions up until a few days ago, not to mention the normal course of international relations.

You are both correct and incorrect. Correct in that I believe the border of the Occupied Palestinian Territories has been clearly known since 1967 and incorrect when you say this is not so.

Chatting with the Israelis while they restrict Palestinians to Bantustans and allow settlements to be built all over the Occupied Territories is a mug's game.

Second, the blockade of Gaza is a direct result of Gazan military force and, remember, you can't change borders or gain territory by force, so it is utterly pointless violence which only serves to harm the Israel and Gazan citizens. The blockade can be over in one year. All Gaza has to do is quit committing pointless violence. Why do you not suggest they do so?

The Gazan Palestinians have no army, artillary or tanks, they have no navy equipped with heavy guns, and they have no air force with precision targeting that can kill children playing football on a beach, or destroy an hospital or school used as a civilian shelter. There is no one who believes that Gaza is a threat to Israel and the disproportionate collective punishment of Gaza families and children for the hooliganism of a few rogues is a war crime.

And third, why is the mere presence of Jewish people a problem? (OMG! But there's a JEW living there?!) There are lots of Arabs in Israel. Jews and Arabs get along just fine. Why can't they get along just fine in a new State of Palestine? Should Palestine be Judenrien? Why or why not? Should we apply the same concepts equally and make Israel Arab Muslim-free? Who or why not?

The apartheid practiced in an extreme form by the Israelis in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem is morally wrong and has within it the seeds of Israel's destruction as a Jewish state.

See, the crux of your argument is that Jews can't live on certain pieces of land. And yet you are part of the group which complains vehemently about the "deliberate ethnic cleansing" of the Palestinians in the 1948 war of Israel's independence. So which is it? Is it morally correct to require that certain pieces of land be free of people of a certain ethnic or religious group?

If you are referring to the Jewish settlements in the Occupied Territories then it is a policy which is about implanting Zionist Arab-free areas as a way of colonizing the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and poisoning the Occupied Territories with the vile doctrine of apartheid.[/QUOTE]

 

[MJB12741]

The right of Israel to change its borders against the will of the Palestinians was recognized at the time as illegal both on the grounds that borders cannot be changed by war ...

If, as you say, borders can not be changed by war then Jordan and Egypt could not have attained sovereignty over any part of the Mandate for Palestine outside their own international borders. The military force of Jordan and Egypt can not have created or changed any borders.

We have eliminated Jordan and Egypt as possible sovereigns of the territory at any time. That leaves only two choices. Either it was ALL the territory was Israel or it was terra nullius.

In neither case did Israel "change her borders". Israel either re-captured territory which she had sovereignty over. Or Israel exerted control over territory which belonged to no one (and still belongs to no one). There simply are no other choices.

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

"A record of unspeakable odium"? Don'y you think you're exaggerating, Eloy?

Sadly, the record of shabby treatment of Palestinians by the Israelis is there for all to see and will never be forgotten.

"Shabby treatment of Palestinians by Israeli's" & not by surrounding Arab nations? Now THAT"S funny!

 

[P F Tinmore]

The difference between our points of view is that you think the border between the two states has already been established and that is incorrect. The border between the two States needs to be negotiated, as per all treaties and all resolutions up until a few days ago, not to mention the normal course of international relations.

It is true that there is no border around the West Bank. The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. They merely were lines that Israeli and Jordanian forces were not to cross. The lines cut through Palestine so there were no such restrictions on the Palestinians.

Some say that those lines are "temporary borders" that had to be negotiated. There is no documentation showing that assertion to be true. There is no requirement for the Palestinians to negotiate a border there.

Second, the blockade of Gaza is a direct result of Gazan military force and, remember, you can't change borders or gain territory by force,

The same as the West Bank, there is no border there.

Jews and Arabs get along just fine. Why can't they get along just fine in a new State of Palestine? Should Palestine be Judenrien?

Of course not. Even Salam Fayyad said that the settlements and settlers can stay as Palestinian territory and Palestinian citizenship for the settlers.

 

[Phoenall]

The right of Israel to change its borders against the will of the Palestinians was recognized at the time as illegal both on the grounds that borders cannot be changed by war ...

If, as you say, borders can not be changed by war then Jordan and Egypt could not have attained sovereignty over any part of the Mandate for Palestine outside their own international borders. The military force of Jordan and Egypt can not have created or changed any borders.

We have eliminated Jordan and Egypt as possible sovereigns of the territory at any time. That leaves only two choices. Either it was ALL the territory was Israel or it was terra nullius.

In neither case did Israel "change her borders". Israel either re-captured territory which she had sovereignty over. Or Israel exerted control over territory which belonged to no one (and still belongs to no one). There simply are no other choices.

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

You do realise that within 24 hours of Israel lifting the occupation and going back to the agreed 1967 ceasefire lines that the arab muslims would be firing illegal weapons at Jewish children and the Jews would be once more engaged in a war of the palestinians making. The occupation would be back in place only this time the UN would be siding with Israel. Then you would see a real brutal occupation with curfews imposed strictly and the arab muslims banned from the temple mount.Tens of thousands of dead palestinians mostly proven to be terrorists and militia engaging in attacks on the Jews. The world standing around asking how they got it so wrong in view of the evidence available. Then you and the rest of the Jew hating Nazi's will slink back down your holes to hide your faces from the world after forcing this to have taken place. You cant use "but I was only following orders" any more after the Nuremberg trails made that an invalid defense

 

[Phoenall]

The right of Israel to change its borders against the will of the Palestinians was recognized at the time as illegal both on the grounds that borders cannot be changed by war ...

If, as you say, borders can not be changed by war then Jordan and Egypt could not have attained sovereignty over any part of the Mandate for Palestine outside their own international borders. The military force of Jordan and Egypt can not have created or changed any borders.

We have eliminated Jordan and Egypt as possible sovereigns of the territory at any time. That leaves only two choices. Either it was ALL the territory was Israel or it was terra nullius.

In neither case did Israel "change her borders". Israel either re-captured territory which she had sovereignty over. Or Israel exerted control over territory which belonged to no one (and still belongs to no one). There simply are no other choices.

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

Lifted from the hate sites, namely from here



Full text of "Communism, Liberalism, Bolshevism, Marxism, Zionism, Greed, Hate, Contempt, Animosity Towards ALL People!"

 

[Phoenall]

The right of Israel to change its borders against the will of the Palestinians was recognized at the time as illegal both on the grounds that borders cannot be changed by war ...

If, as you say, borders can not be changed by war then Jordan and Egypt could not have attained sovereignty over any part of the Mandate for Palestine outside their own international borders. The military force of Jordan and Egypt can not have created or changed any borders.

We have eliminated Jordan and Egypt as possible sovereigns of the territory at any time. That leaves only two choices. Either it was ALL the territory was Israel or it was terra nullius.

In neither case did Israel "change her borders". Israel either re-captured territory which she had sovereignty over. Or Israel exerted control over territory which belonged to no one (and still belongs to no one). There simply are no other choices.

No, there is a third and proper choice, one that the entire world accepts, including Israel's backer, the USA, and this is to recognize the sovereignty of the indigenous Palestinian people over their homeland.
It is shameful for the Israelis to occupy and blockade the Palestinian Territories in such a brutal way and to allow Jewish settlers to live on the best agricultural and historical land with utter disregard of the right of self-determination of the sovereign Palestinian people. Zionist greed, cruelty, and criminality over the past half century is a record of unspeakable odium.

"A record of unspeakable odium"? Don'y you think you're exaggerating, Eloy?

From here


Full text of "Communism, Liberalism, Bolshevism, Marxism, Zionism, Greed, Hate, Contempt, Animosity Towards ALL People!"

 

[Phoenall]

The difference between our points of view is that you think the border between the two states has already been established and that is incorrect. The border between the two States needs to be negotiated, as per all treaties and all resolutions up until a few days ago, not to mention the normal course of international relations.

It is true that there is no border around the West Bank. The armistice lines were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. They merely were lines that Israeli and Jordanian forces were not to cross. The lines cut through Palestine so there were no such restrictions on the Palestinians.

Some say that those lines are "temporary borders" that had to be negotiated. There is no documentation showing that assertion to be true. There is no requirement for the Palestinians to negotiate a border there.

Second, the blockade of Gaza is a direct result of Gazan military force and, remember, you can't change borders or gain territory by force,

The same as the West Bank, there is no border there.

Jews and Arabs get along just fine. Why can't they get along just fine in a new State of Palestine? Should Palestine be Judenrien?

Of course not. Even Salam Fayyad said that the settlements and settlers can stay as Palestinian territory and Palestinian citizenship for the settlers.

But only those that were living there prior to the invention of Zionism, 1875 I believe so virtually Judenrein