No One Has a Right to Health Care

[NYcarbineer]

When you talk in gibberish, you're getting called out on it.

Your inability to grasp simple words and phrases has no impact on anyone save you.

I have no problem understanding others here, and even what you post most of the time.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Conservative opposition to Medicaid.

Medicaid is not intended for "da po" It is an entitlement for the elderly.

Try again.

If you wish to argue that conservatives do and always have heartily supported Medicaid, go ahead.

Throw in your argument to show conservative praise for LBJ's war on poverty legislation overall while you're at it.

No one sane "praised" LBJ's idiotic welfare state.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservative opposition to Medicaid.

Medicaid is not intended for "da po" It is an entitlement for the elderly.

Try again.

If you wish to argue that conservatives do and always have heartily supported Medicaid, go ahead.

Throw in your argument to show conservative praise for LBJ's war on poverty legislation overall while you're at it.

No one sane "praised" LBJ's idiotic welfare state.

Medicare is senior healthcare you idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservative opposition to Medicaid.

Medicaid is not intended for "da po" It is an entitlement for the elderly.

Try again.

If you wish to argue that conservatives do and always have heartily supported Medicaid, go ahead.

Throw in your argument to show conservative praise for LBJ's war on poverty legislation overall while you're at it.

No one sane "praised" LBJ's idiotic welfare state.

Okay, so now you're calling Medicaid program insane, which means you DO support letting the poor go without healthcare.

lol, dance, pardner...

 

[Uncensored2008]

Medicare is senior healthcare you idiot.

Yep, you're right.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Okay, so now you're calling Medicaid program insane, which means you DO support letting the poor go without healthcare.

lol, dance, pardner...

So there is no other choice?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Okay, so now you're calling Medicaid program insane, which means you DO support letting the poor go without healthcare.

lol, dance, pardner...

So there is no other choice?

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

 

[Kosh]

When you talk in gibberish, you're getting called out on it.

Your inability to grasp simple words and phrases has no impact on anyone save you.

I have no problem understanding others here, and even what you post most of the time.

Yes you do, if it is not written in far left religious narratives, it goes way beyond your comprehension.

Silly far left drone!

 

[Uncensored2008]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

 

[Kosh]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

Yes the far left wants the government to control healthcare, but then again they want the government to control every aspect of your life.

 

[beagle9]

Because then what you are saying is that it's a right to take money from other people to give it to you. That's not a right--that's theft. It would be the same as saying I have a right to walk into my neighbors home and take his television set because I can't afford one. You are trying to make a right out of taking other peoples property.

But what if the nation decided - as a nation - to grant it as a right to everyone?
And agreed to fund it from the general fund?

What I'm saying before we get further into the weeds of ridiculousness is that there's no immutable law of nature...as far as I'm aware...to say that a nation of citizens can't grant themselves any right they choose to.

If the requisite procedures were followed what would stop the US from deciding that everyone of its citizens has the right to healthcare paid for from the general fund?

. Then it could tax all it's citizens from their incomes for around $5.00 dollars a week to be deducted from what ever income they would receive in the nation. Anyone who would cry over that kind of rate for a basic healthcare insurance to be offered by the government to every man woman and child in the nation as a basic right, would flat out amaze me.

Except for the fact you are pulling numbers out of the air. I don't care what you do, unless you make all medical professionals work for minimum wage, you can't get healthcare for five bucks a week. Where did you get that number anyway?

Right now working Americans pay much more for that for just Medicare. Not only is Medicare going broke, but they too can't keep up with the medical bills so they've been underpaying the providers by about 1/3 of what they charge. Medicaid has many states in the red regardless of how many billions they pay into the program, and they too are cheating providers.

Remember too that private insurance takes your premiums and invests that money so the profits offset some of the costs. Government doesn't do that. Government puts your money under a mattress somewhere where it doesn't earn a dime of interest, and they use it as needed. Unlike insurance companies that have detectives overseeing fraud, our government doesn't have anything like that which is why programs are ripped off by the billions every single year.

$5.00 dollars a week is what the deduction would be for each citizen covered.. It has nothing to do with what the private sector or market place does or charges. The $5.00 dollars taken in from 300.000.000.00 citizens, is 1.500.000.000.00 dollars a week. Now many citizens go years as healthy like me, and are in no need of the care, so it takes the pressure off of the burdon of cost that is found within the elderly or those with pre-existing conditions. A plan like this is affordable and would work.

The entire population is working?

300,000,000 million people in this country are not working!

. People with an income, not just people working.

 

[beagle9]

Your words, and they are foolish words indeed. What are you, some sort of hack for private insurance interest ?

Irrefutable fact.

The underlying, basic proposition of capitalism is the trade of value for value. I will trade you an ice cream cone, which you value, for $1.50 cash that I value. If you don't value the ice cream at $1.50, you don't buy it. It is the value proposition that underlies all transactions in capitalism,

You have a very different proposition, "give me what I want or men with guns will throw you in prison." I assume you are a union goon who lived you life telling management "give us what we want or we will break your legs,"

Honest men trade with each other, thugs take by force.

. You apply these same concepts to someone bartering for a life sustaining operation maybe ?

 

[Contumacious]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

National Health Insurance: A Medical Disaster

Socialized medicine results in skyrocketing demand, overburdened doctors, deteriorating medical services, and endless waiting lists.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

Yes. Healthcare is a basic need of humans and a civilized people with the means to do so should assure that basic healthcare is available to all regardless of their abililty to pay.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

Yes the far left wants the government to control healthcare, but then again they want the government to control every aspect of your life.

If government were able to control all healthcare, then they would be able to control every aspect of your life.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Okay, so now you're calling Medicaid program insane, which means you DO support letting the poor go without healthcare.

lol, dance, pardner...

So there is no other choice?

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Who's taxes? Yours?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

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So those who want healthcare that costs money, but they don't have the money, should just go without?

Again, no dead children in the streets, despite your absurd lies. America has provided health care to those in need for the last century or more.

Those who want an education that costs money, but they don't have the money, should just go without?

There are always ways.

But college for all is a fucktarded idea that renders college meaningless.

High school used to have a meaning. No more, we mandated that everyone will graduate from high school, so now it is a watered down mess that ensure nothing, not even the ability to construct a coherent sentence.

You Communists love to holler that college is free in Germany. That may be, but only the top 6% of students are allowed to attend. Further, they don't base it on skin color, but actual achievement. You want Euro-Socialist rules? Then support ALL of them.

We provide government healthcare to the poor DESPITE every effort of conservatives to stop it.

It is only that conservatives FAILED that the poor now get that healthcare.

We must never let conservatives succeed.

Get it now?

When did conservatives ever try to stop it. And can you tell us who was in leadership of Congress and Senate when Bush was President? Republicans could have put through any damned thing they wanted, just like the Democrats did to pass Commie Care.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your words, and they are foolish words indeed. What are you, some sort of hack for private insurance interest ?

Irrefutable fact.

The underlying, basic proposition of capitalism is the trade of value for value. I will trade you an ice cream cone, which you value, for $1.50 cash that I value. If you don't value the ice cream at $1.50, you don't buy it. It is the value proposition that underlies all transactions in capitalism,

You have a very different proposition, "give me what I want or men with guns will throw you in prison." I assume you are a union goon who lived you life telling management "give us what we want or we will break your legs,"

Honest men trade with each other, thugs take by force.

So those who want healthcare that costs money, but they don't have the money, should just go without?

Those who want an education that costs money, but they don't have the money, should just go without?

No, what they can do is live with their parents for about three or four years, get a full-time job and save as much as they can, then go to college and take out loans for the rest. Either that or they can join the military and get free college that way.

 

[beagle9]

The better choice is to give everyone basic healthcare funded by taxes.

Socialized medicine, in other words.

Yes the far left wants the government to control healthcare, but then again they want the government to control every aspect of your life.

How is it socialized medicine to give every red blooded American an affordable basic health insurance plan, and to give them a plan that is paid for by we the taxpayers through a deduction taken out of our incomes ?

The plan/coverage would be a life sustaining plan only, and it would cover preventive care as would be laid out in the policy. Preventive care as in check ups, blood work and vitals would be part of the paid for options given the insured as would be listed in the insurance coverage.

Pre-existing conditions would also be covered if they are life threatening conditions that if left alone could lead to death. All other wants and needs not pertaining to ones dying because of a medical condition would be addressed through buying a plan as and extra (if need) through the free market place.

 

[Uncensored2008]

You apply these same concepts to someone bartering for a life sustaining operation maybe ?

Yes, because you only grasp your want, not the fact that there are limits in supply.

Let's say a brilliant surgeon with astounding dexterity develops a life saving technique. Three people need it, who gets it? Why do they get it? There is only one surgeon who can do it, so who gets it?