No Need for Universal Health Care in US

[Ringel05]

I actually enjoyed the scrota bag inspection at Meps.

Don't ask, don't tell.

I hated doing short arms inspections, thankfully I only had to do it once.

 

[Oddball]

Having no health insurance means an early death to almost 45,000 people in the United States annually – almost two-and-a-half times the number previously estimated -– according to a study published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health.

The research team used the latest figures from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) to update previous calculations based on 20-year-old data. They tracked 9,004 uninsured individuals ages 17-64.

The study included special “oversamples” of African Americans and Mexicans -– who were found to die at about the same rate as their white counterparts.

“Although blacks and Hispanics are more likely to end up uninsured, racial differences in the percentages of deaths was not statistically significant,” lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper said in an interview.

In essence, he said, once people are uninsured “they are in the same boat” –- a boat in which 3 percent will succumb each year from lack of care.

For the last 50+ years the right has fought to stop any kind of universal health care to include Medicare and Medicaid. Fortunately they lost on those, but they still are fighting to protect their friends in the Medical Insurance industry.

How many more Americans must die before we finally act like a civilized society? For those who say "socialized medicine" pull your head out of your butts. What is being proposed is not socialized medicine, but since you have coverage who gives a shit about those dying because they can't afford to pay the Death Panels from United, Aetna, Blue Cross, Humana, etc.

Harvard Study: 45,000 Uninsured Die Every Year - NAM

Whoop-de-fucking-do!

How many people WITH insurance die every year??

Nobody gets out of here alive.

 

[KittenKoder]

It's simple people, if you can't get private insurance and are not too damned lazy, you can get Medicaid, even Medicare. The only excuse for this is that people expect things to be handed to them without having to do anything for it, period.

 

[JW Frogen]

So you want to pay more for less?

Because the US pays more than any other developed country for health care and gets the worst outcomes.

I am not ideological, I want what works, fuck the words capitalism or socialism, I just want what works.

I live in Australia now, and what we do works, what I experienced in the US did not. In Australia it works at lower cost, for everyone. Everyone, even the rich. Go figure.


And to put the boot in, we are the only developed economy NOT in recession right now.

You got to move about the world to learn what works.

 

[KittenKoder]

So you want to pay more for less?

Because the US pays more than any other developed country for health care and gets the worst outcomes.

I am not ideological, I want what works, fuck the words capitalism or socialism, I just want what works.

I live in Australia now, and what we do works, what I experienced in the US did not. In Australia it works at lower cost, for everyone. Everyone, even the rich. Go figure.


And to put the boot in, we are the only developed economy NOT in recession right now.

You got to move about the world to learn what works.

What regulatory agencies are in charge of healthcare there?

 

[JW Frogen]

What regulatory agencies are in charge of healthcare there?

They do not regulate it, healthcare provision here is private but the government is a universal insurer so that private insurance has to actually think about providing service rather than mining profit. Everyone has insurance so can move from job to job, but if they want to top up for a room with flowers (which I got in public insurance) they can.

Any actuary, any honest one, will tell you the more people in a plan, the more the risk is spread, the more effective that plan is, for everyone. If there is a plan that covers everyone, it will be the most cost effective writ large.

The bottom line is this, the US pays more for less, and you really need to calm down and ask why?

 

[indianaboy]

What regulatory agencies are in charge of healthcare there?

They do not regulate it, healthcare provision here is private but the government is a universal insurer so that private insurance has to actually think about providing service rather than mining profit. Everyone has insurance so can move from job to job, but if they want to top up for a room with flowers (which I got in public insurance) they can.

Any actuary, any honest one, will tell you the more people in a plan, the more the risk is spread, the more effective that plan is, for everyone. If there is a plan that covers everyone, it will be the most cost effective writ large.

The bottom line is this, the US pays more for less, and you really need to calm down and ask why?

I pay very little and receive great coverage. So I don't really see a need to ask "why".

 

[JW Frogen]

I pay very little and receive great coverage. So I don't really see a need to ask "why".

Yes, Americans have lost the art of asking why.

Sad that.


And you would pay less and receive more here in Australia.


Why?

 

[indianaboy]

I pay very little and receive great coverage. So I don't really see a need to ask "why".

Yes, Americans have lost the art of asking why.

Sad that.


And you would pay less and receive more here in Australia.


Why?

How could I possible receive "more"? I get every ounce of care I ask for here in the States. And I really don't know how it would be possible to pay less than what I already do.

 

[JakeStarkey]

And that, indianaboy, is why you are not charge of much that's important.

This is not just about you but rather about everybody having access to quality health care at a decent rate. Governmental insurer provisions do work, they are not cumbersome, and they lead to goo health care at much less than what we pay. Only greed and stupidity oppose that goal.

 

[Care4all]

Perhaps they are too sick to pick up the pen?

And if they could pick up the pen their private US insurance company would then say "if you can pick this pen up you are not sick enough to be covered."

You know they have pateint advocates in hospitals that will not only pick up the pen they will fill out the whole damn form for you. Get freggin real.

PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY,because they have no health insurance,OH NOOOOOO, yet ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC SAY NOTHING ABOUT THIS, interview no one, not even family members. Maybe they have not figured out how to interview the dead person. yet

You libs are soooooooooooooooooo NAIVE.

You are right and you are wrong. Yes, most people will receive care, but it won't always be the best care with the best chance for survival. For instance, when my late wife was being treated for leukemia, she needed a stem cell transplant. There were others in the hospital with leukemia who needed the same transplant, but one of them lacked insurance. This woman had the same form of leukemia as my wife. She was told that they would continue treating her with chemo, but she would not get a transplant because it cost too much. She died within a two months. My wife received her transplant but relapsed. She lasted ten months.

The bigger problem is the fact that many without coverage will put off going to the doctor when they know something isn't right, because they know they can't pay for it. Then finally, when things get really bad, they go, but it is too late. A person's best chance for survival in the case of diseases like cancer is early treatment. Many people, knowing they can't pay, just hope that it's nothing. By the time they find out it is more than nothing, their chance for survival has taken some very bad odds. But heh, as long as the emergency room treats them, they'll be fine, right?

That is so true about not going to the doctor if you do not have insurance...shoot i had insurance and when they did not pay the bill I now avoid going to the doctor for anything...

 

[Care4all]

health insurance is good for those who are HEALTHY only, and this is how our health insurance systen is set up.....

 

[WillowTree]

Having no health insurance means an early death to almost 45,000 people in the United States annually – almost two-and-a-half times the number previously estimated -– according to a study published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health.

The research team used the latest figures from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) to update previous calculations based on 20-year-old data. They tracked 9,004 uninsured individuals ages 17-64.

The study included special “oversamples” of African Americans and Mexicans -– who were found to die at about the same rate as their white counterparts.

“Although blacks and Hispanics are more likely to end up uninsured, racial differences in the percentages of deaths was not statistically significant,” lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper said in an interview.

In essence, he said, once people are uninsured “they are in the same boat” –- a boat in which 3 percent will succumb each year from lack of care.

For the last 50+ years the right has fought to stop any kind of universal health care to include Medicare and Medicaid. Fortunately they lost on those, but they still are fighting to protect their friends in the Medical Insurance industry.

How many more Americans must die before we finally act like a civilized society? For those who say "socialized medicine" pull your head out of your butts. What is being proposed is not socialized medicine, but since you have coverage who gives a shit about those dying because they can't afford to pay the Death Panels from United, Aetna, Blue Cross, Humana, etc.

Harvard Study: 45,000 Uninsured Die Every Year - NAM

you won't ever be a civilized society as long as you are willing to kill babies, 40 million or so since roe v. wade.. you are so freaking dishonest you stink up the place.

 

[Douger]

This is a sad commentary on the morals of this nation. Not only do tens of thousands die for lack of care in this nation, but hundreds of thousands go bankrupt yearly because of medical bills. We are the only industrial nation in which this is the case. Worse yet, over 50% of those going bankrupt because of medical bills, actually have insurance.

If we were number one in longevity, health in old age, and infant mortality, perhaps we could excuse these numbers. But we lag behind not only industrial nations in these figures, but even some poor nations such as Costa Rica in these numbers.

The voters allowed it. The majority of Amurkinz ALWAYS vote against what would be to their own benefit.
Billions in foreign aid, Billions to IsNtreal.Trillions to bankers.Bailing out corporations.

Tax dollars for public health care ? NEVER !
" We dun need nunna that thar welfar. Let them sunzabitches werk fer it and pay they own gotdam billz. All issa gunna hep is Meskinz and neegurz"

America is a nation of complete idiots.
Enjoy it. I'd had enough..........right after 2000,2001 and 2004's adventures when nobody did a thing but watch idol and eat Prozac.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Cheat Death: Vote Democrat!

They are partners with God in matter of Life and Death! If you give them control of your Health Care, you wont have to die!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Allow Health Care reform, Frank, and you will see a five-year increase in mortality rates in the first full decade of universal access. People now die, Frank, because of the system so that fat cats can get fatter. The true Americans spoke last November, and reform will pass.

 

[Ame®icano]

Having no health insurance means an early death to almost 45,000 people in the United States annually – almost two-and-a-half times the number previously estimated -– according to a study published Thursday in the American Journal of Public Health.

The research team used the latest figures from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) to update previous calculations based on 20-year-old data. They tracked 9,004 uninsured individuals ages 17-64.

The study included special “oversamples” of African Americans and Mexicans -– who were found to die at about the same rate as their white counterparts.

“Although blacks and Hispanics are more likely to end up uninsured, racial differences in the percentages of deaths was not statistically significant,” lead author Dr. Andrew Wilper said in an interview.

In essence, he said, once people are uninsured “they are in the same boat” –- a boat in which 3 percent will succumb each year from lack of care.

For the last 50+ years the right has fought to stop any kind of universal health care to include Medicare and Medicaid. Fortunately they lost on those, but they still are fighting to protect their friends in the Medical Insurance industry.

How many more Americans must die before we finally act like a civilized society? For those who say "socialized medicine" pull your head out of your butts. What is being proposed is not socialized medicine, but since you have coverage who gives a shit about those dying because they can't afford to pay the Death Panels from United, Aetna, Blue Cross, Humana, etc.

Harvard Study: 45,000 Uninsured Die Every Year - NAM

I think this data is somehow misleading. I don't think those 45,000 died because they didn't have insurance, they died when they didn't have insurance. That's close to 1% of all uninsured in the US. How many insured die every year, if we know that there are 1.2 million deaths in US every year?

I would like to see numbers that shows number of people that would have lived if they had health insurance but died because they didn't? Many would have died regardless of insurance or not, so the number that could have been saved but weren't is the relevant number, anything is just useless rhetoric.

 

[Care4all]

people without health insurance have a 40% greater chance of dying is what i heard on the 24/7 than anyone who does have insurance...?

Don't know how they came to that figure, but heard it last night on a couple of cable news stations...

 

[Ame®icano]

Tens of thousands are too lazy to fill out paperwork? That is sad.

Where is that "too lazy" is coming from?

Maybe many of these deaths could be prevented by diet and exercise? Many are NOT too lazy to take a short walk to fast food joints. Many are not too lazy to order pizza delivery.

And, when we list statistics like this, it would be good to know how many babies are killed every year?

 

[Ame®icano]

people without health insurance have a 40% greater chance of dying is what i heard on the 24/7 than anyone who does have insurance...?

Don't know how they came to that figure, but heard it last night on a couple of cable news stations...

Non-swimmer has better chance to drown then a swimmer.

Gang member has better chance to get killed then non-gang member.

Right or wrong?