No justice for Kate Steinle's family

[Coyote]

I have no idea why this guy was not convicted of reckless manslaughter, but I have even less idea why the prosecution thought that could get away with charging him with murder. It would have made just as much sense to charge him with spying, or something. In fact, the charges the prosecution used were along the same lines that one would expect N. Korea to use against an American tourist who steals a propaganda sign off the wall.

Mega-overkill.

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

But not involuntary manslaughter. That wasn't one of the charges.

 

[Rambunctious]

But not involuntary manslaughter. That wasn't one of the charges

He voluntarily picked up a gun pulled it out of the bag and he used it in a way that killed a young women right in front of her father. Why is that not enough to put him away? A drunk driving manslaughter charge would have put him away.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I have no idea why this guy was not convicted of reckless manslaughter, but I have even less idea why the prosecution thought that could get away with charging him with murder. It would have made just as much sense to charge him with spying, or something. In fact, the charges the prosecution used were along the same lines that one would expect N. Korea to use against an American tourist who steals a propaganda sign off the wall.

Mega-overkill.

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

It was California man.

Actually. CA usually comes down pretty hard on people who kill other people with a stolen gun, even if by accident.

Horseshit. They let OJ go. Dumbasses!

Couldn't you come up with a case that was even remotely similar? O.J. Did not use a stolen gun. The killings were obviously intentional, voluntary murder. There was no illegal immigrant involved, nor was there any illegally stolen weapon used. O. J. was a media star. etc., etc., etc.

 

[Coyote]

But not involuntary manslaughter. That wasn't one of the charges

He voluntarily picked up a gun pulled it out of the bag and he used it in a way that killed a young women right in front of her father. Why is that not enough to put him away? A drunk driving manslaughter charge would have put him away.

He's not going to be walking free you know. Where do you get that idea? He was still convicted of one charge.

 

[Vandalshandle]

But not involuntary manslaughter. That wasn't one of the charges

He voluntarily picked up a gun pulled it out of the bag and he used it in a way that killed a young women right in front of her father. Why is that not enough to put him away? A drunk driving manslaughter charge would have put him away.

Simple. There was no intent to harm.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

 

[WillowTree]

Let's be accurate here: Jose Ines Garcia Zarate had not been convicted or charged with any violent crimes. The felonies were drug possession related and illegal entry.

According to Wikipedia:

Garcia Zarate arrived in the U.S. sometime before 1991, the year he was convicted of his first drug charge in Arizona. In 1993, he was convicted three times in Washington state for felony heroin possession and manufacturing narcotics. Following another drug conviction and jail term, this time in Oregon, the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) deported Garcia Zarate in June 1994. However, Garcia Zarate returned to the U.S. within two years and was convicted again of heroin possession in Washington state. He was deported for the second time in 1997.[16]


On February 2, 1998, Garcia Zarate was deported for the third time, after reentering the U.S. through Arizona. United States Border Patrol caught him six days later at a border crossing, and a federal court sentenced Garcia Zarate to five years and three months in federal prison for unauthorized reentry. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), successor of the INS, deported Garcia Zarate in 2003 for his fourth deportation. However, he reentered the U.S. through the Texas border and got another federal prison sentence for reentry before being deported for the fifth time in June 2009.[16]


Less than three months after his fifth deportation, Garcia Zarate was caught attempting to cross the border in Eagle Pass, Texas. He pleaded guilty to felony reentry; upon sentencing, a federal court recommended Garcia Zarate be placed in "a federal medical facility as soon as possible".[16]​

Hey Coyote ...
Thanks for the information ... But I already know about Jose Ines Garcia Zarate's record, and his multiple stints in our prison system.

I also already know about the San Francisco Sheriff's Department, District Attorney's Office, Sanctuary City Ordinances, ICE deportation records, the Stienle Family's lawsuits, U.S. Magistrate Judge Joseph Spero's dismissal of parts, their appeal to the Ninth Circuit, and how Black Lives Matter is involved.

None of that changes the fact Jose Ines Garcia Zarate was standing on the pier the day he facilitated the death of Kate as the result of foolish, irresponsible governmental incompetence.

Thanks again anyway ...

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They certainly don’t mind, she was collateral damage in their quest for open borders!

Who wants open borders?

Democrats! All people who refer to illegals as immigrants and not illegal immigrants. I think that may include you.

Really? I think I referred to them as illegal immigrants but suit yourself.

You still haven't shown me anyone calling for open borders.

No, you said immigrants and I corrected you.

 

[WillowTree]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I have no idea why this guy was not convicted of reckless manslaughter, but I have even less idea why the prosecution thought that could get away with charging him with murder. It would have made just as much sense to charge him with spying, or something. In fact, the charges the prosecution used were along the same lines that one would expect N. Korea to use against an American tourist who steals a propaganda sign off the wall.

Mega-overkill.

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

But not involuntary manslaughter. That wasn't one of the charges.

I believe it was, sorta.

The DA attempted to prove murder one - but the jury was instructed that they could opt to charge him with murder two or involuntary manslaughter instead.

If the DA had argued for I.M., they would probably have gotten it.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

I have no idea why this guy was not convicted of reckless manslaughter, but I have even less idea why the prosecution thought that could get away with charging him with murder. It would have made just as much sense to charge him with spying, or something. In fact, the charges the prosecution used were along the same lines that one would expect N. Korea to use against an American tourist who steals a propaganda sign off the wall.

Mega-overkill.

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

It was California man.

Actually. CA usually comes down pretty hard on people who kill other people with a stolen gun, even if by accident.

Horseshit. They let OJ go. Dumbasses!

Couldn't you come up with a case that was even remotely similar? O.J. Did not use a stolen gun. The killings were obviously intentional, voluntary murder. There was no illegal immigrant involved, nor was there any illegally stolen weapon used. O. J. was a media star. etc., etc., etc.

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

This case and OJ are similar in the sense that they make right-wingers feel outraged.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

And this is where your logic fails you. This is not a democrat vs. republican issue. It is a trial in which the prosecutors failed to do their job correctly. They should probably be fired.

 

[WillowTree]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

And this is where your logic fails you. This is not a democrat vs. republican issue. It is a trial in which the prosecutors failed to do their job correctly. They should probably be fired.

Horseshit. The SF officials should be fired and sent to Mexico.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

And this is where your logic fails you. This is not a democrat vs. republican issue. It is a trial in which the prosecutors failed to do their job correctly. They should probably be fired.

Nonsense. The prosecutors did what the DA told them to do, and they did the best that they could in the situation.

 

[Coyote]

Hey Coyote ...
Thanks for the information ... But I already know about Jose Ines Garcia Zarate's record, and his multiple stints in our prison system.

I also already know about the San Francisco Sheriff's Department, District Attorney's Office, Sanctuary City Ordinances, ICE deportation records, the Stienle Family's lawsuits, U.S. Magistrate Judge Joseph Spero's dismissal of parts, their appeal to the Ninth Circuit, and how Black Lives Matter is involved.

None of that changes the fact Jose Ines Garcia Zarate was standing on the pier the day he facilitated the death of Kate as the result of foolish, irresponsible governmental incompetence.

Thanks again anyway ...

.

They certainly don’t mind, she was collateral damage in their quest for open borders!

Who wants open borders?

Democrats! All people who refer to illegals as immigrants and not illegal immigrants. I think that may include you.

Really? I think I referred to them as illegal immigrants but suit yourself.

You still haven't shown me anyone calling for open borders.

No, you said immigrants and I corrected you.

Where did I say immigrants?

 

[Vandalshandle]

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

It was California man.

Actually. CA usually comes down pretty hard on people who kill other people with a stolen gun, even if by accident.

Horseshit. They let OJ go. Dumbasses!

Couldn't you come up with a case that was even remotely similar? O.J. Did not use a stolen gun. The killings were obviously intentional, voluntary murder. There was no illegal immigrant involved, nor was there any illegally stolen weapon used. O. J. was a media star. etc., etc., etc.

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

This case and OJ are similar in the sense that they make right-wingers feel outraged.

I am certainly no right winger, and I am outraged, too....but at the prosecutors who failed to do their jobs.

 

[WillowTree]

The jury could have chose to go with manslaughter. That has been reported all day. They were given the option.

It was California man.

Actually. CA usually comes down pretty hard on people who kill other people with a stolen gun, even if by accident.

Horseshit. They let OJ go. Dumbasses!

Couldn't you come up with a case that was even remotely similar? O.J. Did not use a stolen gun. The killings were obviously intentional, voluntary murder. There was no illegal immigrant involved, nor was there any illegally stolen weapon used. O. J. was a media star. etc., etc., etc.

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

This case and OJ are similar in the sense that they make right-wingers feel outraged.

I know and you think it’s cool beans! It’s like a big dose of ecstasy for you.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

And this is where your logic fails you. This is not a democrat vs. republican issue. It is a trial in which the prosecutors failed to do their job correctly. They should probably be fired.

Nonsense. The prosecutors did what the DA told them to do, and they did the best that they could in the situation.

Fine. I am easy to get along with. Keep the prosecutors and fire the DA.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It was California man.

Actually. CA usually comes down pretty hard on people who kill other people with a stolen gun, even if by accident.

Horseshit. They let OJ go. Dumbasses!

Couldn't you come up with a case that was even remotely similar? O.J. Did not use a stolen gun. The killings were obviously intentional, voluntary murder. There was no illegal immigrant involved, nor was there any illegally stolen weapon used. O. J. was a media star. etc., etc., etc.

You're looking at it from the wrong perspective.

This case and OJ are similar in the sense that they make right-wingers feel outraged.

I know and you think it’s cool beans! It’s like a big dose of ecstasy for you.

I thought you left, fuckwit.

Could have sworn I saw you flouncing out.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Looks to me like her family should be blaming the prosecutor's office for having botched their duties.

No, actually they are blaming the right people, the officials of San Francisco and every Democrat in DC who refused to pass Kate’s law!

And this is where your logic fails you. This is not a democrat vs. republican issue. It is a trial in which the prosecutors failed to do their job correctly. They should probably be fired.

Nonsense. The prosecutors did what the DA told them to do, and they did the best that they could in the situation.

Fine. I am easy to get along with. Keep the prosecutors and fire the DA.

DA is an elected position in SF. It's up to the voters to "fire" him.

 

[WillowTree]

They certainly don’t mind, she was collateral damage in their quest for open borders!

Who wants open borders?

Democrats! All people who refer to illegals as immigrants and not illegal immigrants. I think that may include you.

Really? I think I referred to them as illegal immigrants but suit yourself.

You still haven't shown me anyone calling for open borders.

No, you said immigrants and I corrected you.

Where did I say immigrants?

Re read the thread and if you haven’t edited it you will find it.