So the republican solution to our healthcare system is as little government as possible right?

[sealybobo]

God how Dems LIE. No dumb ass, if you losers walk into any hospital they have to treat you nobody is going to die for lack of healthcare.

My neighbor has cancer and she is working 10 hours a week at her employer just to keep the healthcare. I wonder what would happen if she didn't do that? Would she have to pay? Sell her home? Or would she just be able to go get some kind of government healthcare that would cover her?

 

[BluesLegend]

If he was a Dem I wouldn't have started this conversation. I would have given him $100 at the funeral. But because his entire family are life long Republicans, I'll let other Republicans give to his go fund me page.

If that's their solution for healthcare, I won't be helping them out. They need to see that this is no solution.

But I believe the first go fund me page in the 90's paid all his premiums. We have enough friends from high school I'm sure he had no problem raising the $7000. So he didn't learn his lesson. In fact he's doing another one for her funeral.

Nobody cares about your made up friend and you are not fooling anyone. Dems when they try to be clever, nothing funnier.

 

[BluesLegend]

My neighbor has cancer and she is working 10 hours a week at her employer just to keep the healthcare. I wonder what would happen if she didn't do that? Would she have to pay? Sell her home? Or would she just be able to go get some kind of government healthcare that would cover her?

How is any of that MY problem? Why should I have to work overtime to pay her bills, answer that! If a tornado blew down her house is that also my problem? Why don't you people just admit it, you mooching losers want someone else to pay your bills.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't want government running our hospitals. I want them regulating healthcare.

That's some funny shit because the latter will guarantee the former. Have you met government?

 

[Mac-7]

Are you on medicare? How old are you?

Lesh accused me of wanting people to die

Support that lie if you can

 

[Invisibleflash]

In many respects reflected from world history, it is reasonable to suggest that too much government is not a good thing. However, “too much” is a very relative concept. There really is such a thing as “too little of government” and I mean that beyond the measure of anarchy as an alternative. Government, when designed properly, can benefit the lives of its citizens.
ACA is an important point to raise in the this topic. While it is certainly flawed and has failed in some of its promises in terms of affordability, it’s never the less improved healthcare in many ways. It has not changed that ACA has protection for pre-existing conditions for anyone who has health insurance. There is also a much higher cap for how much an insurance policy will cover for a medical event. The cap used to be 500,000 but it became 1,000,000 thanks to ACA. Now you can argue that ACA undermines the definition of insurance, but the point here is that healthcare should not be treated like insurance.

Corporate lobbyists own our politicians. Both the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are slaves to big money. They are guided more by money than by principle. Both parties are bitches to special interests.

The goal of these lobbyists is to strengthen the power of the corporation’s will and to have less regulation by the government. With less government, what is to prevent the healthcare industry from undermining the healthcare their consumers need?

This is already true.

Insurance company: “Hey guess what, if you pay $600 a month, we will eliminate your deductible for basic healthcare needs!”

The point is that Big Pharma has a fiduciary responsibility to maximize profit for their shareholders. This includes undermining the plan the consumer signed up for to save money. Business is business after all.

Only government can ensure that consumers get basic healthcare services.

Instead of squandering hundreds of billions of dollars, our politicians could have given us a cheap, socialized healthcare plan alongside the standard healthcare we have in America. (The rich don't want socialized healthcare and the average person can't afford the system we have...so we need 2 systems.)

People that can't afford America's unaffordable healthcare could get their appendix out before it bursts. If they need a heart transplant, then go work 3 jobs and save up for 6 years to pay for it. The socialized plan would be for basics to keep it viable. But the American healthcare system is so greedy they don't want to lose a penny and would never accept a 2nd option. Plus, our politicians are nincompoops and could ever run a socialized healthcare system anyway.

As far as reps?

Their only goal is to outlaw abortion is all 50 states and lower taxes for the rich.

 

[sealybobo]

Oh yes they will. Stop lying. Yes they will get stuck with the bills as appropriate.

I found this.

Being uninsured doesn't mean you have to forgo the cancer treatment you need. Resources are available through your cancer hospital, nonprofit organizations, local agencies, and drug manufacturers to help you pay for care.Mar 22, 2024

What if he said "I can't afford the $7000 deductable"? I wonder what they would do? I've seen stories in the past where if you don't pay, you don't get.

Could it be Obamacare fixed that?

I also found this

Contact the financial assistance department at the hospital or cancer center where you're receiving treatment to see if you can receive free or discounted medical services or set up an interest-free payment plan.

So I think you would be stuck with the bill.

Let's put it this way. I don't like it that someone with cancer and no insurance even has to think about it.

Maybe we should have free CATASTROPHIC coverage for all but everything else costs money. Get a rash, you pay. Herpies, you pay. Cancer, you don't pay.

 

[sealybobo]

Lesh accused me of wanting people to die

Support that lie if you can

I don't think you want that. But you don't seem to realize that corporations shouldn't be in total control of every industry,

National Parks
Prisons
Elections
Energy
Healthcare
Schools

Some industries need to be regulated.

 

[BluesLegend]

I found this.

Being uninsured doesn't mean you have to forgo the cancer treatment you need. Resources are available through your cancer hospital, nonprofit organizations, local agencies, and drug manufacturers to help you pay for care.Mar 22, 2024

What if he said "I can't afford the $7000 deductable"? I wonder what they would do? I've seen stories in the past where if you don't pay, you don't get.

Could it be Obamacare fixed that?

I also found this

Contact the financial assistance department at the hospital or cancer center where you're receiving treatment to see if you can receive free or discounted medical services or set up an interest-free payment plan.

So I think you would be stuck with the bill.

Let's put it this way. I don't like it that someone with cancer and no insurance even has to think about it.

Maybe we should have free CATASTROPHIC coverage for all but everything else costs money. Get a rash, you pay. Herpies, you pay. Cancer, you don't pay.

I should have to work overtime to pay for all the bad things anyone might have happen to them in their lives...NOT! You left wingers need to find a new planet you can craft into your fantasy utopia.

 

[sealybobo]

Nobody cares about your made up friend and you are not fooling anyone. Dems when they try to be clever, nothing funnier.

I swear I'm telling the truth. I'm texting my brother and Republican buddy about this. Both voting for Trump. Even they think I make a good point about this guy being a hypocrite with this gofundme page bullshit.

Pay for your own cancer treatments and funerals you ******* hypocrite! God I'd love to have this conversation with them but I would never.

I even feel bad I won't be giving one dime.

 

[westwall]

In my America everyone has basic healthcare but only the poor have to wait a long time to see a doctor. You and I get right in.

Everyone already did you retard. No hospital can turn away a person, no matter if they can pay, or not.

What obummercare did was guarantee PAYMENT, but the rules were so bad that independent pharmacists were pushed out of business.

Hospitals are closing because they are NOT being paid, so, you have insurance, but now, if you live on the border, good luck finding a medical practitioner within 200 miles.

Government ***** up everything it touches.

 

[Mr Natural]

I don't think you want that. But you don't seem to realize that corporations shouldn't be in total control of every industry,

National Parks
Prisons
Elections
Energy
Healthcare
Schools

Some industries need to be regulated.

And the idea of profiting off of people’s misery borders on the disgusting.

 

[BluesLegend]

I don't think you want that. But you don't seem to realize that corporations shouldn't be in total control of every industry,

National Parks
Prisons
Elections
Energy
Healthcare
Schools

Some industries need to be regulated.

Oh here we go with the Dem strawman. Yes government has a role, a LIMITED role within reason. The trouble is that beast is completely out of control run amok. $35 TRILLION F'ing dollars of debt and borrowing trillions more each year and what do we have for all that freeloader spending? Hell our highway system should be paved in gold. You are talking a mind boggling $40 TRILLION dollars spent just in the past 10 years. That's 40,000 BILLION holy shit!

 

[BluesLegend]

Everyone already did you retard. No hospital can turn away a person, no matter if they can pay, or not.

What obummercare did was guarantee PAYMENT, but the rules were so bad that independent pharmacists were pushed out of business.

Hospitals are closing because they are NOT being paid, so, you have insurance, but now, if you live on the border, good luck finding a medical practitioner within 200 miles.

Government ***** up everything it touches.

I was at the doctors a few years back. He tossed the paperwork for his previous Medicaid patient in the trash can. He said he would lose money on it, it costs him more money to submit the claim to government for reimbursement than they pay him.

 

[WinterBorn]

1. Healthcare is NOT a Right. It never has been and never should be. It is a privilege for those who can afford it or get it through their employers.

2. The US Constitution has no provision or mandate for the Government to be involved in any way with the healthcare industry or medical issues in general.

You are correct, there is no mandate for providing healthcare. And I believe the gov't should NOT be involved in healthcare with two exceptions:

1) VA medical benefits
2) Medical coverage for the poor (safety net)

 

[sealybobo]

I should have to work overtime to pay for all the bad things anyone might have happen to them in their lives...NOT! You left wingers need to find a new planet you can craft into your fantasy utopia.

This is what pisses me off about conservatives. None of them realize just how much they have benefitted from liberal government and policies.

And like my childhood buddy, I don't think you guys will ever admit when you are wrong. Like the election was stolen, the vaccine wasn't effective, trump isn't guilty of anything, bush didn't lie us into Iraq. Even when your orange messiah has said it in the past and then you elected him, you still won't admit you were wrong about that. Instead you'll say Hillary voted for it too. Yea, because Bush lied to her too!

Most of the people who died of covid were unvaccinated Republicans and still you guys argue that you were right.

On Saturday night, Florida conservative talk radio show Marc Bernier, an outspoken opponent of masking and vaccines to combat Covid-19, died of Covid-19. Earlier in the day, Caleb Wallace, a prominent opponent of masks as a means to slow the spread of Covid-19, died of Covid-19.

Wallace was 30 years old. Bernier was 65.

The two deaths are simply the latest in a string of incidents in which crusaders against mask-wearing and vaccines have died – or been hospitalized – after being diagnosed with Covid-19.

Bernier, in fact, was the third conservative talk radio host who opined against masks and expressed skepticism about the vaccine to die from Covid-19 in recent weeks. Earlier this month Dick Farrel, a Florida-based talk radio host, passed away from the coronavirus. Just last week, Nashville-based host Phil Valentine, 65, died from the virus.

Anti-Vax Radio Hosts Keep Dying From COVID

Will the passing of on-air opponents of pandemic mitigation efforts have any effect on their audiences?

www.vanityfair.com

 

[WinterBorn]

Oh here we go with the Dem strawman. Yes government has a role, a LIMITED role within reason. The trouble is that beast is completely out of control run amok. $35 TRILLION F'ing dollars of debt and borrowing trillions more each year and what do we have for all that freeloader spending? Hell our highway system should be paved in gold. You are talking a mind boggling $40 TRILLION dollars spent just in the past 10 years. That's 40,000 BILLION holy shit!

How much of that $35 Trillion is healthcare? The 2023 budget for the military is $773 Billion.

How about we cut 1/3 of the military budget and provide decent healthcare for our poor?

 

[BluesLegend]

This is what pisses me off about conservatives. None of them realize just how much they have benefitted from liberal government and policies.

This is what pisses me off about Democrats. None of them realize that I PAY for all their liberal government policies. I pay multiple times more in taxes than most people earn while asshole Dems tell me I'm not paying my fair share. So F all of them to infinity!

 

[Mr Natural]

The Republican solution to health care is more tax cuts for the billionaires.

 

[sealybobo]

This is what pisses me off about Democrats. None of them realize that I PAY for all their liberal government policies. I pay multiple times more in taxes than most people earn while asshole Dems tell me I'm not paying my fair share. So F all of them to infinity!

No you don't pay for liberal government policies. You benefit from them.

If you are rich, perhaps you aren't paying your fair share in taxes. I suspect though you're not rich. Not Trump rich. Those guys aren't paying their fair share for sure.

And you know what? I make just under $100K and I am able to max out my 401K AND invest $20K a year in the stock market. I don't think I'm being overtaxed so I don't know how you are. Waahhh. I'm a rich guy in a country that makes people pay taxes. WAAAHHH. I made it and now I want to defund the government. Now after I have made it. I want to remove safety nets and social programs that rich guys like me have to pay for. Programs that helped me get rich. But now that I'm rich, remove them. Because I'm a selfish greedy *****.