Ray From Cleveland
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No you can not shoot someone just for pointing a gun at you without more probable cause than that.
The cop pulling a gun on you is IDENTICAL to anyone pulling a gun on you, including this kid.
There is PLENTY of reason to believe the cop is the greatest danger of all, because cops are well known for shooting hundreds of people who were not threatening every year.
Police are probably the single most dangerous classification of people there are.
Most are ex-veterans who have been extremely badly trained to shoot any possible threat from their military service, and veterans should be automatically disqualified for that reason.
And NO, this kid was NOT pulling a gun.
He already had it out, in the open, in his hand.
The cops should have seen it before even driving onto the grass.
It was the cops themselves who caused the situation to appear risky to them, so they then can not claim self defense.
You can not legally shoot your way out of a dangerous situation that you yourself caused.
They legally are required to have used due diligence perceive and avoid the situation ahead of time.
If the cops can legally shoot this kid, then I can legally shoot any cop who tries to draw a gun on me.
You are wrong on so many levels. First of all, when a police officer pulls a gun on you, you are assured it's not for a criminal act. If a stranger pulls a gun on you, you have no idea what their intentions are, and every reason to believe it's for an aggressive action. I am convinced you are not a CCW carrier because you seem to have no concept of the laws. People who get licensed are very informed about what the laws are.
Police do shoot hundreds of people every year. Shootings without justification end up with charges against the officer. There is no law anywhere that states a police officer can only use deadly force unless the adversary is also using deadly force. If some person twice the size of the officer attacks him or her, they can legally use deadly force even if they were unarmed. Again, you don't have a CCW or you'd know that.
At the grand jury, a video expert was summoned to testify in court. He gave an account of what the video showed frame by frame. In that explanation, he showed how Rice's shoulder lifted up as the officers were getting out of their car, indicating he was likely pulling up on something. He did not have the gun in his hand until they got out of their car.
Now, you don't have to believe me, but believe one of your own kind: CNN. Here is the explanation of what actually took place by the reporter. It's a short clip so it won't take up much of your time:
As she explained, when Tamir seen the patrol car, he stuck the gun down his pants. While they were getting out of the car, this enhanced video clearly shows him pulling the gun out, and that's when the officer fired.