Justice Department ordered to answer for Jan. 6 killing of Ashli Babbitt

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Black cop kills unarmed white girl at j6 and nothing done to cop. Not charged or even fired and the press has censored the story.

Justice Department ordered to answer for Jan. 6 killing of Ashli Babbitt - Washington Examiner

A federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to “answer” charges in a $30 million wrongful death suit on behalf of Ashli Babbitt.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

The killing of Babbitt was perfectly lawful and warranted, the wrongful death suit is devoid of merit.

‘The officer who shot and killed rioter Ashli Babbitt during the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol acted within department policy, the U.S. Capitol Police announced on Monday.

"After interviewing multiple witnesses and reviewing all the available evidence, including video and radio calls, the United States Capitol Police has completed the internal investigation into the fatal shooting of Ms. Ashli Babbitt, which occurred in the Speaker's Lobby on January 6," the department said in a statement.

"USCP's Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) determined the officer's conduct was lawful and within Department policy, which says an officer may use deadly force only when the officer reasonably believes that action is in the defense of human life, including the officer's own life, or in the defense of any person in immediate danger of serious physical injury."’

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030354113/capitol-police-officer-ashli-babbitt-riot#:~:text=%22USCP%27s%20Office%20of%20Professional%20Responsibility%20%28OPR%29%20determined%20the,person%20in%20immediate%20danger%20of%20serious%20physical%20injury.%22

 

[Chillicothe]

Jan 6 was not an insurrection but rather was planned by Democrats to try and destroy Trump and paint his followers as rioters. Most folks realize this.

"planned by Democrats to try and destroy Trump"?
Good poster Blaster, why would you assert such a thing?
It makes your avatar look fatuous and foolish.
And it makes Trump supporters look the same.
Why do that?
Trump and his enablers planned that march on the Capitol, and then took steps to keep those plans away from the law enforcement of the DC streets, and the police at the Capitol itself.
Why did they wish to keep it a secret and surprise police forces who did not have the time or foreknowledge on what was coming their way. Why?
Did Trump and his enabler NOT want the forces to be prepared?
It smacks of mendacity.

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Hahaha, the non-riot of a million people

Earnest poster 'elektra' where did your "million people" stat come from?
I read of no other analysis that mentions "million".
Is it merely hyperbole on your avatar's part? Did you just make it up in order to advance some partisan polemic?
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That nobody was carrying a firearm speaks volumes for those of us who possess common sense and practice critical thinking.

People were carrying firearms. Police testimony stated that they saw gun in the possession of the attackers. In fact, one attacker was just sentenced this week for firing a gun in that attack. Others too have been convicted on firearm charges.
From the AP:
"WASHINGTON (AP) — An Illinois man accused of climbing scaffolding and firing a gun in the air during the riot at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, was arrested Friday. John Banuelos, 39, of Summit, Illinois, was charged with several felony and misdemeanor counts, including firearm charges."
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There was enough time to equip people, once they saw they had a riot situation on their hands, the proper deterrence methods should have been brought in and deployed.

It does not appear they did have that time.
After all, nobody was expecting that massive crowd at the Ellipse to turn and march to the Capitol. In fact, Trump and enablers took pains to NOT apply for a march permit as is required. And they took pains to NOT inform city governance or enforcement that Trump would direct the crowd directly at our legislators. And they warned each other to keep the long planned 'spontaneous' march a secret from authorities.
Why do that? Isn't there an obvious duty for responsible leadership and civic cooperation? Were their attempts to keep the planned march secret ..... mendacious?
Were their attempts criminal?

 

[elektra]

"planned by Democrats to try and destroy Trump"?
Good poster Blaster, why would you assert such a thing?
It makes your avatar look fatuous and foolish.
And it makes Trump supporters look the same.
Why do that?
Trump and his enablers planned that march on the Capitol, and then took steps to keep those plans away from the law enforcement of the DC streets, and the police at the Capitol itself.
Why did they wish to keep it a secret and surprise police forces who did not have the time or foreknowledge on what was coming their way. Why?
Did Trump and his enabler NOT want the forces to be prepared?
It smacks of mendacity.

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Earnest poster 'elektra' where did your "million people" stat come from? ...

Based on what few photos that exist showing a tiny portion of the crowd it is easy to evaluate them all and estimate the size of the crowd

 

[Chillicothe]

Based on what few photos that exist showing a tiny portion of the crowd it is easy to evaluate them all and estimate the size of the crowd.

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Poster 'elektra' singularly estimates the crowd of Trump supporters on January 6th at the Capitol at 'a million' people.

OK, I guess.

But I doubt it.

So, to prove or at least support his assertion let's ask him to give us more authoritative sourcing than just his opinion.

Saddle up, mon ami.

 

[elektra]

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Poster 'elektra' singularly estimates the crowd of Trump supporters on January 6th at the Capitol at 'a million' people.

OK, I guess.

But I doubt it.

So, to prove or at least support his assertion let's ask him to give us more authoritative sourcing than just his opinion.

Saddle up, mon ami.

Yes, it my opinion. The crowd is massive. Huge. Is it a million. It really looks like it is.

A source? As if only google is the truth.

Google, the internet is the greatest political propaganda tool the democrats have. From an early age children are taught the truth is a google search.

Adults think g9ogle results are always the truth.

Chill, you can look at the pictures and use your intellect (haha) and tell us your estimate.

How many people in the one pic of one small part of the capitol grounds.

The pic is a fact supporting my estimate of a million people.

 

[PeterPilot]

Well, I have watched that violent mob outside the Speaker's Lobby violently batter open a purpose-built barricade intended to bar the violent mob and protect the sheltering Representatives....and through which the point-of-the-spear, the 'Point Man'......leapt towards the guarding police and the huddled and fearful innocent Reps and staff.

And, it appeared to me that Officer Byrd only 'opened the doors' for Babbitt.......to a different dimension.

Ashli is dead because of Ashli.
Bad decisions ofttimes lead to bad outcomes.*

*ps....that is from a TED Talk.

Your worldview is well conditioned by your masters.

 

[Chillicothe]

"The pic is a fact supporting my estimate of a million people."

OK, let's go with your methodology:

1. How many people are in that pic?
2. How many square feet of standing room are depicted?
3. Can that pic be extrapolated to other areas of the Capitol campus?
4. If so, which ones?
5. Or do you have pics of those areas taken at the same time?
6. If you do, please share them.

And then, try this technique: Go to any number of search engines ----Google being only one ----and seek out the views of people who are familiar with gauging the number of people in large crowds, and people familiar with the topography of the Capitol campus and surrounding area. Let's read what their views are.

And yes, poster 'elektra', I AM skeptical of claims by anybody supporting or creating self aggrandizing claims of 'large numbers' as proof of Trump's efficacy.

We all saw on the very first day of his administration how he forced his press secretary, Spicer, to lie about the crowd size attending his inauguration. In his first day of service to America.....he lied. Needlessly and self-aggrandizingly. It was a signal of his nature that we all should have noted....as many observers did.

So come back to the forum with better homework, poster 'elektra'. You will never make America great again without a little sweat equity and due diligence.

Trust me. And be a better contributor here.

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Your worldview is well conditioned by your masters.

??????
I have no earthly idea whadahell you are referencing.
Explain yourself poster PeterPilot.
The ability to explain one's opinions, assertions, and positions is a universal expectation for participating in responsible adult discourse.

 

[elektra]

So come back to the forum with better homework, poster 'elektra'. You will never make America great again without a little sweat equity and due diligence.

nice try at dismissing facts.
I dont need to go do homework. I did all my homework on my jan 6th thread where I got the pic. I can bump that thread up if you like. I used that thread to retreave the photo.

In my pelosi was derilict thread I posted maps of the capitol grounds along with the legal description of the capitol grounds.

The Capotol grounds is 58 acres. An acre is 43,560 sq ft. A person can stand on one square foot. Maybe a bigger person needs a little more space so I reduced the number. There are buildings on the land as well. I subtracted land for the buildings. Being conservative I conservatively said buildings occupied more than half the land.

25 acres times 40000 people equals 1,000,000

Chill, you need google help, with simple math, and how much space you occupy standing

Of course there was even more space outside of the capitol grounds where people were. So 25 x 40,000 is very conservative

 

[Chillicothe]

" Capotol grounds is 58 acres. An acre is 43,560 sq ft. A person can stand on one square foot. Maybe a bigger person needs a little more space so I reduced the number...........25 acres times 40000 people equals 1,000,000"

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I say poster 'elektra's' claim of "one million" J6 insurrectionists is balderdash.
A fantagasm that he wishes to use to inflate Trump's popularity and effect.

A broad spectrum of people who actually are experienced at estimating crowd sizes range Trump's attackers at 80,000 to 120,000.

And the crowd at the Ellipse speech at about 53,000 (most of them would be included in that 80k to 120k number above). The Secret Service actually screened through their magnetometers about 25,000 at the Eclipse and estimated another 15,000 stayed out side not wanting to be subject to weapons screening.

So, let me repeat again......poster 'elektra's' hyperbole of a "million" people in the January 6th attack is nonsense, balderdash, and silly.
No disrespect intended. So, I'm OK with poor poster 'elektra'.


It is difficult, if not impossible, to estimate the size of the crowd that stormed Capitol Hill

 

[WEATHER53]

Libs keep pearl clutching and fainting to the couch on the crowd suze . Such crowds Very Common down there
The end shot is Trump has a lot of supporters so let’s murder one and then later on the same for him.

 

[WEATHER53]

Responsibility avoidance ending soon

 

[elektra]

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I say poster 'elektra's' claim of "one million" J6 insurrectionists is balderdash.
A fantagasm that he wishes to use to inflate Trump's popularity and effect.

A broad spectrum of people who actually are experienced at estimating crowd sizes range Trump's attackers at 80,000 to 120,000.

And the crowd at the Ellipse speech at about 53,000 (most of them would be included in that 80k to 120k number above). The Secret Service actually screened through their magnetometers about 25,000 at the Eclipse and estimated another 15,000 stayed out side not wanting to be subject to weapons screening.

So, let me repeat again......poster 'elektra's' hyperbole of a "million" people in the January 6th attack is nonsense, balderdash, and silly.
No disrespect intended. So, I'm OK with poor poster 'elektra'.

The people were shoulder to shoulder. People tightly packed in a crowd occupy one sq ft of space.

The capitol grounds is 58 acres. There aee buildings, structures and stuff. The capitol building alone sits on over 4 acres. That is the biggest building on the capitol grounds.

1 acre is 43,560 sq ft. An acre hence will hold 43,460 people.

58 acres x 43,560 people equals 2,526,480 people!

I could of stated 2,526,480 were at the capitol grounds. I did not. I accounted for the buildings, infrastructure, and landscaping.

1,000,000 were at the capitol grounds.

 

[Chillicothe]

1,000,000 were at the capitol grounds.

OK, but......

...but anyone else of authority, credibility, experience........alleging there were, in your words, "a million".

Get back to us with those authorities after you've done your due diligence.

thanks in advance.

 

[elektra]

I say poster 'elektra's' claim of ... balderdash ...
A fantagasm that he wishes to use to inflate Trump's popularity ...
So,poster 'elektra's' hyperbole of a "million" people in the January 6th attack is nonsense, balderdash, and silly.
No disrespect intended. So, I'm OK with poor poster 'elektra'.

Hyperbole, yes, I see the hyperbole you litterred your deceiving rant with to sway opinion and to convince yourself you are right.

No disrepect intended, bullshit. Don't piss down my back and then tell me it is raining.

Chillicothe, you are a lousy liar that can not reason a responce because you do not have the intelligence.

I am not trying to disrepect chillicothe. Chillicothe has litttered his/her post with insults and hyperbole then actsvas if that was what I did.

Chillicothe, if I am to believe you meant no disrepect then the obvious is that you are too dumb to see your comment is that which you accused me.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The people were shoulder to shoulder. People tightly packed in a crowd occupy one sq ft of space.

The capitol grounds is 58 acres. There aee buildings, structures and stuff. The capitol building alone sits on over 4 acres. That is the biggest building on the capitol grounds.

1 acre is 43,560 sq ft. An acre hence will hold 43,460 people.

58 acres x 43,560 people equals 2,526,480 people!

I could of stated 2,526,480 were at the capitol grounds. I did not. I accounted for the buildings, infrastructure, and landscaping.

1,000,000 were at the capitol grounds.

They weren't "shoulder to shoulder" and the rioters didn't cover anywhere near the acreage you suggest.

They were crowded only in the immediate vicinity of the Capital Building.

WW

 

[elektra]

OK, but......

...but anyone else of authority, credibility, experience........alleging there were, in your words, "a million".

Get back to us with those authorities after you've done your due diligence.

thanks in advance.

Chillicothe, it is basic math and a timy bit of knowledge.

Obviously chill, you do not have a high enough IQ to think of counting how many people you see in a picture, or an area of a picture then multiplyoling the area you counted by the size Of the pick.

Chillicothe does not have the intelligence to find out the size of the area of the capitol grounds and then do the simple grade school math to estimate the crowd size.

Chillecothe then says I must find an expert at estimating crwd sizes? Is that a career, crowd size estimator? Which liberal univeristy offers a doctorate degree or masters degree in crowd size estimating?

Chillicothe thinks there is a career where we find an expert who can calculate 43,560 sq ft x 58 acres.

The fire department calculates the safe occupancy of a space. Firemen!

The local fire department has already calculated the safe number of people a space can hold.

Experts, nice try at trying to distract from what the local fire departments do weekly inba city thevsize of wash8ngton d.c.

Democrats require low intelligence, uneducated people to sell thier infantile lies.

The fire department already calculated the safe amount of people. The amount of people in crowds is already calculated by the fire department. This information is required to issue the permit for the rally!

It is a lie when chillicithe stated that it is impossible to know the crowd size.

 

[elektra]

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They weren't "shoulder to shoulder" and the rioters didn't cover anywhere near the acreage you suggest.

They were crowded only in the immediate vicinity of the Capital Building.

Liar, there are thousands of pictures, censored from the internet, but there are enough to see you are of very low intelligence.

USMB poster, faun the democrat posted this pictures of a small area on jan 6th.

Now tell me is chillicotje stupid or a filthy liar? The people are shoulder to shoulder in this small area of the 58 acres.

 

[MizMolly]

Black cop kills unarmed white girl at j6 and nothing done to cop. Not charged or even fired and the press has censored the story.

Justice Department ordered to answer for Jan. 6 killing of Ashli Babbitt - Washington Examiner

A federal judge has ordered the Justice Department to “answer” charges in a $30 million wrongful death suit on behalf of Ashli Babbitt.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

As an active participant of a violent mob, she was ordered, by an officer with gun drawn, not to enter a secure area. She ignored this.
To assert that the lone officer should have somehow physically restrained her in the face of a violent mob attack is absurd in the extreme.

 

[Chillicothe]

The local fire department has already calculated the safe number of people a space can hold.

Well, if prolific poster elektra is asserting the fire department had a hand in vetting the maximum space required for the Eclipse crowd..... OK, I'm cool with that.

So, per elektra's fire department there could only be somewhat less than a million there, as in " the permit was issued for an estimated 30,000 participants."

So elektra's fire department determined there was only enough room to fit, well, fit less than elektra's "million people".

WTH?
Size really does matter then.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Liar, there are thousands of pictures, censored from the internet, but there are enough to see you are of very low intelligence.

USMB poster, faun the democrat posted this pictures of a small area on jan 6th.

Now tell me is chillicotje stupid or a filthy liar? The people are shoulder to shoulder in this small area of the 58 acres.
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No Ma'am, not a liar.

Of course there were thousands of people there. But you've claimed 1,000,000 - 2,000,000. That's millions.

You use a high angle shot to show a dense crowd, no disagreement. However you try to equate a local dense pocket and a high angle shot and then extrapolate that to the entire acreage of the location.

I provided some low angle shots that show the crowed up close to the building but also show how thing the people are the farther you get away from the building, which blows a major hole in your "1 person per square foot over the total acreage (minus building interior).

The crowd was large, true, but not in the millions.

WW