JOKER96BRAVO
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I have issues with seatbelts
I was held back in 6th grade and vowed that it would never happen again. J/k
I was held back in 6th grade and vowed that it would never happen again. J/k
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In a one year period of flying an EMS helicopter I picked-up 1 (ONE) accident victimMerlin said:After traveling in all lower 48 states, I have come to the conclusion that it is a power grab. I've driven up to more than one accident and heard more than one EMT say "if he/she hadn't been wearing that &*^$%@# seat belt/harness, he/she may still be alive". I happened on a very minor accident that had no visual injuries and a 12 year old girl was walking around surveying the damage with her mother when she fell over dead. The seat belt had damaged her internal organs. Folks, I'm "NOT" going to strap myself into one of those contraptions going down the road at 60/70 MPH. If I get into a wreck, I want out and don't care if it is through the windshield, roof, door, or any other way. I just pull it across and sit on it when I need to. Most people I know use fel-pro to hold them in place without actually being strapped in.
Already have. Cost me 50 bucks. I didn't want that thing blowing up in my face either.Mr. P said:In a one year period of flying an EMS helicopter I picked-up 1 (ONE) accident victim
that had injuries from the seat belt, she did die...Guess how many others I picked-up
that didn't have a belt on that died.
Only an idiot would drive without a belt on. Would you disable the air-bag too?
I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..Merlin said:Already have. Cost me 50 bucks. I didn't want that thing blowing up in my face either.
Just because I don't agree with you? LOL There sure are a lot of cuckoos in the world. There are people making a living unhooking all that junk that's not needed. You strike me as the kind of person that leaves all that so called safety junk on your riding lawn mower where you can't start it without sitting in the seat or when the blades are engaged. Me, I've lived this long without all that stuff so I can make it the rest of the way without it too. Either way, it's a personal choice.Mr. P said:I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..
No ya got me wrong...But I'm not stupid enough to PAY someone to do the disconnect... Send me a check I'll tell ya how-to next time.:rotflmao:Merlin said:Just because I don't agree with you? LOL There sure are a lot of cuckoos in the world. There are people making a living unhooking all that junk that's not needed. You strike me as the kind of person that leaves all that so called safety junk on your riding lawn mower where you can't start it without sitting in the seat or when the blades are engaged. Me, I've lived this long without all that stuff so I can make it the rest of the way without it too. Either way, it's a personal choice.
Mr. P said:I'll enter you in the Darwin award contest..
i generally under this assumption while i was Military Police. we were always a nuisance when they wanted to speed or go tearing through a residential area or school. but heaven forbid if we werent there within 5 minutes of them calling becasue someone wrote on the sidewalk with chalk-Cp said:From a buddy of mine who's a cop:
"seatbelts and speed enforcement are required because this is a country full of RETARDS, most of whom aren't even to be considered AMATEUR drivers, let alone good drivers, and if we don't force them to behave at least a little bit, they kill each other and everyone else with their shitty habits then sue us for failing to save them from themselves"
hell when i was at ft lost in the woods there was this guy in the hospital that had a broken jaw and hand from an airbag! he was bent over doing something and it jsut went off. screw that.no1tovote4 said:Actually if you don't have a seat belt on you should definitely kill the airbag. I can't tell you how often it was the damned airbag that stuffed them under the dash when they weren't wearing a seat belt that killed them, but it was pretty often.
You're probably right, but I prefer the word ignorant. Will you give me a discount for having to do the labor myself? If so, how big? Will the directions be detailed enough for an ignorant person to follow?Mr. P said:No ya got me wrong...But I'm not stupid enough to PAY someone to do the disconnect... Send me a check I'll tell ya how-to next time.:rotflmao:
Merlin said:After traveling in all lower 48 states, I have come to the conclusion that it is a power grab. I've driven up to more than one accident and heard more than one EMT say "if he/she hadn't been wearing that &*^$%@# seat belt/harness, he/she may still be alive". I happened on a very minor accident that had no visual injuries and a 12 year old girl was walking around surveying the damage with her mother when she fell over dead. The seat belt had damaged her internal organs. Folks, I'm "NOT" going to strap myself into one of those contraptions going down the road at 60/70 MPH. If I get into a wreck, I want out and don't care if it is through the windshield, roof, door, or any other way. I just pull it across and sit on it when I need to. Most people I know use fel-pro to hold them in place without actually being strapped in.
Pale Rider said:The facts bear out a different picture. Safety belts save lives. That's just a simple fact...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/mayplanner2003/factsheet.html
I've never seen a race car that didn't have a seat belt.
Actually there is..it's an FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) that prohibits dropping objects from an aircraft. Seems it's for the SAFETY of those on the ground.ScreamingEagle said:There is nothing wrong with buckling up to protect yourself if you want to. Sane people will do what is best for themselves. You don't choose to jump from an airplane without a parachute, do you? Or should there be a law about that too?
See above. You being removed from your seat in a minor crash and losing control of a vehicle that crashes into a sidewalk full of pedestrians...does affect others... the goggles are a tool for law ENFORCEMENT.Having laws that control your specific behavior and choices in life where it does not affect others is taking away your freedom. Having police out there with night vision goggles watching you is insane!
You have no right to drive on the public highway...unless you are granted the privilege of a licence to do so..It's a contract in which you agree to follow the LAW. Don't wanna abide by the contract, fine. Take the ticket.Socialists are very into "safety" because this is how they teach people to learn groupthink. They are not so much into safety education for the public as into scaring the public into accepting laws that control behavior. Step by step your freedoms are being taken away and people think it is for "the greater good".
LOL...there lays the problem...Their out there...Those who know how to think and take care of themselves regarding safety issues on the road will not have problems as long as the other idiots aren't on the road.
I would agree somewhat, cept this is about law enforcement, isn't it? On the other hand, if you allow idiots on the road yer going to have accidents. There should be a LAW, don't you think? One directed at idiots...hey, that's what the seat belt law is all about! Nevermind.Those who CAUSE the accidents in the first place are the ones who should be punished and taken off the highways because they are the ones who are doing the hurting. Why aren't the democrat socialists behind stricter laws regarding drinking/etc. while driving? Locking a drunk up for a year would have a much better effect of controlling drunken highway behavior, don't you think? Why should everybody else change their behavior to accomodate the problem people? Socialists are not into solving the real problem with appropriate punishment, they are into creating a web of laws that attempt to modify and control individual behavior to further their own ends.
Mr. P said:Actually there is..it's an FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) that prohibits dropping objects from an aircraft. Seems it's for the SAFETY of those on the ground.
See above. You being removed from your seat in a minor crash and losing control of a vehicle that crashes into a sidewalk full of pedestrians...does affect others... the goggles are a tool for law ENFORCEMENT.
You have no right to drive on the public highway...unless you are granted the privilege of a licence to do so..It's a contract in which you agree to follow the LAW. Don't wanna abide by the contract, fine. Take the ticket.
LOL...there lays the problem...Their out there...
I would agree somewhat, cept this is about law enforcement, isn't it? On the other hand, if you allow idiots on the road yer going to have accidents. There should be a LAW, don't you think? One directed at idiots...hey, that's what the seat belt law is all about! Nevermind.
First, this is not about punishment, nor spying it's about enforcementScreamingEagle said:Stop ignoring the point. Taking my example and twisting it is simply ignoring the point. ...
Law enforcement is for the protection of the innocent from the law breakers - not for the control of the innocent. I'm glad you agree that the idiots breaking the laws that are there to protect the innocent should be punished. However, the seat belt law is not directed at the idiots who cause the accidents. If we made the punishments harsh enough, there would be a drastic reduction of highway problems. There would be no need for the insane practice of police spying on you with night vision goggles.
I don't agree with these facts at all.Pale Rider said:The facts bear out a different picture. Safety belts save lives. That's just a simple fact...
http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/airbags/buckleplan/mayplanner2003/factsheet.html
I've never seen a race car that didn't have a seat belt.
-=d=- said:I wonder how many stolen cars went un-found, or drunk drivers ran off the road, or other 'real' crimes went unanswered because the local PD did a 'feel good' gesture to increase revenue?
It's like....
"911, what is your emergency?"
'Some guy just stole my car!'
"I'm sorry, all officers are busy using NVGs to catch REAL crooks - people who don't wear seat belts!"
'Uh...did I say stolen car? I meant 'there's a guy on a motorcycle doing a wheelie!'
"Stand by sir, SWAT will be there in 30 seconds...."