NFL: Eagles / Patriots Superbowl

[Pogo]

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

He is after all 40 years old. If I were a team led by a 40 year old I'd already have been making plans for the future rather than trying to defy the laws of time.

I'm sure the organization has been considering what they will do once Brady retires for years now. However, I'm sure they are more than willing to have Brady continuing to lead the team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl as long as he's able. He was able to do it again this year at 40, they are almost certainly willing to let him try to do it again next year if he's willing.

Prepare for the future, yes, but not at the expense of the present. The NFL is very much a win-now league.

What league isn't? I'm just saying the annals of sports, any sports, are littered with the downward trajectories of those who thought they could go on forever. When a player takes that attitude he just embarrasses himself until he can overcome the self-delusion. Brett Fav-ruh comes to mind. But a team has to be prepared with a plan B, otherwise they're left in a position of starting from scratch.

And no, they can't have Nick Foles. Don't ask.

Do you think Foles will be happy going back to being a scrub when Wentz comes back next year? IIRC, the Iggles are up against the salary cap. They could free up cap space and maybe pick up a draft pick by trading Foles.

He's apparently a free agent after this so --- dunno. He seemed to be OK with being the backup before Wentz went down, OTOH his stock price goes up if he repeats his poise against Boston so pose that question in two weeks. On the other other hand he's been a starter before and not sure his history has made the case that that's his place.

Foles seems like a modest guy who's well grounded so I'm not sure he'd be all that susceptible to the ego trip, when he could be a backup -- still a vital asset for obvious reasons -- for a team that has played like the league élite and portended as such for the future.

So basically I guess it comes down to him deciding, do I want to ride the bench for a championship caliber team, or do I want to start for the Cleveland Browns....

Another factor to work in here is that given Wentz's injury it's not clear at this point whether he'll even be ready for the start of next season.

 

[Montrovant]

The Pats are a great team, nothing ever like them, but let's face it, we are sick of seeing them. There is the cheating, the controversy, and the uncanny way the Refs always seem to favor them at Gillette. It's not that they are so good, by why aren't there any other teams rising up to really challenge them? I predict the Eagles will pound them through much of the game until towards the end when Brady rallies back for a 4th quarter win in the final minutes.

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

He is after all 40 years old. If I were a team led by a 40 year old I'd already have been making plans for the future rather than trying to defy the laws of time.

I'm sure the organization has been considering what they will do once Brady retires for years now. However, I'm sure they are more than willing to have Brady continuing to lead the team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl as long as he's able. He was able to do it again this year at 40, they are almost certainly willing to let him try to do it again next year if he's willing.

Prepare for the future, yes, but not at the expense of the present. The NFL is very much a win-now league.

What league isn't? I'm just saying the annals of sports, any sports, are littered with the downward trajectories of those who thought they could go on forever. When a player takes that attitude he just embarrasses himself until he can overcome the self-delusion. Brett Fav-ruh comes to mind. But a team has to be prepared with a plan B, otherwise they're left in a position of starting from scratch.

And no, they can't have Nick Foles. Don't ask.

Favre had arguably his best year in the year before his last. It's completely understandable that the Vikings would have given him another year as starter after the 2009 season.

The Pats will quite possibly draft another QB this year. I'm sure they would have liked to keep Garoppolo, but knew he would cost too much to keep as a backup. If they had cut or traded Brady in order to keep Jimmy G, I think the fan base would have been absolutely furious. There's also the question of whether Belichick will continue as coach once Brady is done.

I'm sure the Pats are considering the future at QB, and have been for years. I also think they'll keep riding Brady as long as they can.

 

[ChrisL]

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

He is after all 40 years old. If I were a team led by a 40 year old I'd already have been making plans for the future rather than trying to defy the laws of time.

I'm sure the organization has been considering what they will do once Brady retires for years now. However, I'm sure they are more than willing to have Brady continuing to lead the team to the playoffs and the Super Bowl as long as he's able. He was able to do it again this year at 40, they are almost certainly willing to let him try to do it again next year if he's willing.

Prepare for the future, yes, but not at the expense of the present. The NFL is very much a win-now league.

What league isn't? I'm just saying the annals of sports, any sports, are littered with the downward trajectories of those who thought they could go on forever. When a player takes that attitude he just embarrasses himself until he can overcome the self-delusion. Brett Fav-ruh comes to mind. But a team has to be prepared with a plan B, otherwise they're left in a position of starting from scratch.

And no, they can't have Nick Foles. Don't ask.

Favre had arguably his best year in the year before his last. It's completely understandable that the Vikings would have given him another year as starter after the 2009 season.

The Pats will quite possibly draft another QB this year. I'm sure they would have liked to keep Garoppolo, but knew he would cost too much to keep as a backup. If they had cut or traded Brady in order to keep Jimmy G, I think the fan base would have been absolutely furious. There's also the question of whether Belichick will continue as coach once Brady is done.

I'm sure the Pats are considering the future at QB, and have been for years. I also think they'll keep riding Brady as long as they can.

As long as he is still playing well, there is no need to replace him just yet. While most might have already retired, that doesn't mean Brady is ready to retire yet. He probably still has at least a few good years left in the NFL.

 

[Bonzi]

So, we get to find out of the NFL is legit or not.

Here's my conspiracy theory:

If the Eagles win, it's likely the Patriots were asked if not to "throw" the game, to tone it down a bit, to ensure the Eagles win. Why?

What is more entertaining than watching David beat Goliath?

A team that has never won the Superbowl, beating the unbeatable?

With the NFL ratings in the toilet, they are in desperate need of a Cinderella story

The Pats are a great team, nothing ever like them, but let's face it, we are sick of seeing them. There is the cheating, the controversy, and the uncanny way the Refs always seem to favor them at Gillette. It's not that they are so good, by why aren't there any other teams rising up to really challenge them? I predict the Eagles will pound them through much of the game until towards the end when Brady rallies back for a 4th quarter win in the final minutes.

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

 

[Pogo]

So, we get to find out of the NFL is legit or not.

Here's my conspiracy theory:

If the Eagles win, it's likely the Patriots were asked if not to "throw" the game, to tone it down a bit, to ensure the Eagles win. Why?

What is more entertaining than watching David beat Goliath?

A team that has never won the Superbowl, beating the unbeatable?

With the NFL ratings in the toilet, they are in desperate need of a Cinderella story

The Pats are a great team, nothing ever like them, but let's face it, we are sick of seeing them. There is the cheating, the controversy, and the uncanny way the Refs always seem to favor them at Gillette. It's not that they are so good, by why aren't there any other teams rising up to really challenge them? I predict the Eagles will pound them through much of the game until towards the end when Brady rallies back for a 4th quarter win in the final minutes.

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

 

[Montrovant]

So, we get to find out of the NFL is legit or not.

Here's my conspiracy theory:

If the Eagles win, it's likely the Patriots were asked if not to "throw" the game, to tone it down a bit, to ensure the Eagles win. Why?

What is more entertaining than watching David beat Goliath?

A team that has never won the Superbowl, beating the unbeatable?

With the NFL ratings in the toilet, they are in desperate need of a Cinderella story

The Pats are a great team, nothing ever like them, but let's face it, we are sick of seeing them. There is the cheating, the controversy, and the uncanny way the Refs always seem to favor them at Gillette. It's not that they are so good, by why aren't there any other teams rising up to really challenge them? I predict the Eagles will pound them through much of the game until towards the end when Brady rallies back for a 4th quarter win in the final minutes.

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

 

[Pogo]

The Pats are a great team, nothing ever like them, but let's face it, we are sick of seeing them. There is the cheating, the controversy, and the uncanny way the Refs always seem to favor them at Gillette. It's not that they are so good, by why aren't there any other teams rising up to really challenge them? I predict the Eagles will pound them through much of the game until towards the end when Brady rallies back for a 4th quarter win in the final minutes.

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

Niners aren't even in the same division -- not sure I follow that logic, but I think most sane people hate them for all that "America's Team" bullshit.

This I'm always proud to say was handed them by the Iggles... I never tire of it

 

[Montrovant]

Exactly. My poor Vikings, that was a painful game to watch.
The Jags did better than I expected against NE.

It will be a boring SB if the game goes as you predict. The good news is Brady will most likely be put out to pasture after this season.

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

Niners aren't even in the same division -- not sure I follow that logic, but I think most sane people hate them for all that "America's Team" bullshit.

This I'm always proud to say was handed them by the Iggles... I never tire of it

The Cowboys and 49ers were rivals in the 90s. In a similar fashion, I hate the Giants.

Strangely, while the Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and went to another during the period of 49ers greatness (early 80s through the 90s), they never seemed like a rival team.

 

[Pogo]

Put out to pasture? Brady will keep playing if he wants to, or retire if he wants to. I think the Patriots will be more than happy to see Brady return for another season. The man is the frontrunner for MVP, and you say he'll be put out to pasture?

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

Niners aren't even in the same division -- not sure I follow that logic, but I think most sane people hate them for all that "America's Team" bullshit.

This I'm always proud to say was handed them by the Iggles... I never tire of it

The Cowboys and 49ers were rivals in the 90s. In a similar fashion, I hate the Giants.

Strangely, while the Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and went to another during the period of 49ers greatness (early 80s through the 90s), they never seemed like a rival team.

These methinks are all emotional assessments that we make about the perceived character ("personality") of a given team, the same way we do people, or at least famous people are perceived. I can see my contempt for the narcissism of the Cowgirls and Wankees stems from the same values as my contempt of Orange Rumpy, all for the same reasons.

Meanwhile I've noticed somebody on Wikipedia seems obsessed with creating imaginary 'rivalries' between Philadelphia sports teams and New York ones. Noticed it first when the Wiki Phillies page claiimed one with the NY Mets. I read that and thought "really, the Mets?". We've never really taken them seriously. Then lately I see the same fantasy on the Wiki Eagles page, imagining a NYGiants rivalry while the Cowgirls one is secondary. Neither assessment is realistic. I suspect it's the same writer, and I suspect he's doing it out of insatiable New York Narcissism.

 

[Montrovant]

I'd love nothing more than to see the Patriots fold without Brady
I used to love the Patriots back in the 80's, but, with all the scandals and cheating and favoritism, it just leaves a foul taste in your mouth..... blech

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

Niners aren't even in the same division -- not sure I follow that logic, but I think most sane people hate them for all that "America's Team" bullshit.

This I'm always proud to say was handed them by the Iggles... I never tire of it

The Cowboys and 49ers were rivals in the 90s. In a similar fashion, I hate the Giants.

Strangely, while the Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and went to another during the period of 49ers greatness (early 80s through the 90s), they never seemed like a rival team.

These methinks are all emotional assessments that we make about the perceived character ("personality") of a given team, the same way we do people, or at least famous people are perceived. I can see my contempt for the narcissism of the Cowgirls and Wankees stems from the same values as my contempt of Orange Rumpy, all for the same reasons.

Meanwhile I've noticed somebody on Wikipedia seems obsessed with creating imaginary 'rivalries' between Philadelphia sports teams and New York ones. Noticed it first when the Wiki Phillies page claiimed one with the NY Mets. I read that and thought "really, the Mets?". We've never really taken them seriously. Then lately I see the same fantasy on the Wiki Eagles page, imagining a NYGiants rivalry while the Cowgirls one is secondary. Neither assessment is realistic. I suspect it's the same writer, and I suspect he's doing it out of insatiable New York Narcissism.

FYI, I'm originally from New York. Long Island, specifically. Of course, I've never been a fan of the NY football teams (although, really, they are both Jersey teams...that's where they play!). When I've paid any attention to baseball, which I haven't done for many years, I rooted for the Mets. I was actually at the game when they clinched the pennant in 86. My father wouldn't allow me to go onto the field, but a friend of his brought me a chunk of the turf in a plastic cup. I'm also an Islanders fan in hockey.

I never paid that much attention to baseball, so I can't speak to a Mets/Phillies rivalry. Eagles/Giants makes sense, if for no other reason than as a long time division rivalry.

 

[yiostheoy]

So, we get to find out of the NFL is legit or not.

Here's my conspiracy theory:

If the Eagles win, it's likely the Patriots were asked if not to "throw" the game, to tone it down a bit, to ensure the Eagles win. Why?

What is more entertaining than watching David beat Goliath?

A team that has never won the Superbowl, beating the unbeatable?

With the NFL ratings in the toilet, they are in desperate need of a Cinderella story

I have duty all day Sunday so I don't even plan to watch the Superbowl.

Personally I would rather see the underdog Eagles win than the corrupt Patriots.

 

[Pogo]

Exactly why everybody who is anybody hates the Cowgirls. It lingers for decades. As well as the Wankees in baseball.

I hate the Cowboys because I'm a 49ers fan. It's got nothing to do with any cheating, scandals, or favoritism.

Niners aren't even in the same division -- not sure I follow that logic, but I think most sane people hate them for all that "America's Team" bullshit.

This I'm always proud to say was handed them by the Iggles... I never tire of it

The Cowboys and 49ers were rivals in the 90s. In a similar fashion, I hate the Giants.

Strangely, while the Redskins won 3 Super Bowls and went to another during the period of 49ers greatness (early 80s through the 90s), they never seemed like a rival team.

These methinks are all emotional assessments that we make about the perceived character ("personality") of a given team, the same way we do people, or at least famous people are perceived. I can see my contempt for the narcissism of the Cowgirls and Wankees stems from the same values as my contempt of Orange Rumpy, all for the same reasons.

Meanwhile I've noticed somebody on Wikipedia seems obsessed with creating imaginary 'rivalries' between Philadelphia sports teams and New York ones. Noticed it first when the Wiki Phillies page claiimed one with the NY Mets. I read that and thought "really, the Mets?". We've never really taken them seriously. Then lately I see the same fantasy on the Wiki Eagles page, imagining a NYGiants rivalry while the Cowgirls one is secondary. Neither assessment is realistic. I suspect it's the same writer, and I suspect he's doing it out of insatiable New York Narcissism.

FYI, I'm originally from New York. Long Island, specifically. Of course, I've never been a fan of the NY football teams (although, really, they are both Jersey teams...that's where they play!). When I've paid any attention to baseball, which I haven't done for many years, I rooted for the Mets. I was actually at the game when they clinched the pennant in 86. My father wouldn't allow me to go onto the field, but a friend of his brought me a chunk of the turf in a plastic cup. I'm also an Islanders fan in hockey.

I never paid that much attention to baseball, so I can't speak to a Mets/Phillies rivalry. Eagles/Giants makes sense, if for no other reason than as a long time division rivalry.

There really isn't a Mets/Phils rivalry, but you'd never know it to read Wiki.

Personally I'm kindly disposed toward the Mets. Long as they're not on the field against my team I like 'em; they appeal to modest working-class sensibilities. Have been to several Mets games at Shea in fact --- on one occasion driving back to our friends' house after the game we had the sports radio on analyzing the game (Mets defeated Tigers), some guy actually called in to complain that the Wankees weren't getting enough attention. We all fell out in rollicking laughter.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[usmcstinger]

Boles is going to be a starting QB on a NFL Team next season.

 

[Montrovant]

Here's a somewhat surprising tidbit of information I just found: No quarterback who led the league in passing has ever won the Super Bowl. Drew Brees, who seems to lead the league every year, did not when the Saints won. Not Manning, not Brady, not Montana, not Young, not Warner.

Super Bowl 2018: Tom Brady looking to end incredible 51-year quarterback curse

 

[Pogo]

Here's a somewhat surprising tidbit of information I just found: No quarterback who led the league in passing has ever won the Super Bowl. Drew Brees, who seems to lead the league every year, did not when the Saints won. Not Manning, not Brady, not Montana, not Young, not Warner.

Super Bowl 2018: Tom Brady looking to end incredible 51-year quarterback curse

Excellent observation.

Nick Foles definitely didn't lead the league in passing. That should give him a YUGE advantage.

 

[Pogo]

Boles is going to be a starting QB on a NFL Team next season.

Considering it's very much an open question as to whether Carson Wentz will be healed by opening day that may very well be the case. Hope they spell his name right though.

 

[IsaacNewton]

The refs always throw flags to march NE down the field if NE is behind. It is so blatant now it is pathetic and I've never believed in conspiracy type thingies but you watch the Jacksonville game and you're like 'come now, you think no one is watching this bullshit?' No problem with a team losing on their game play but the games with NE too often have the refs decide it.

Also, pass interference should not be a spot foul. No foul should be more than 20 yards unless it is utterly blatant like the db tackles the receiver before the ball gets close. These 50-60 yard penalties are like playing poker with someone and they call "7-card stud, 2s, 9s, and one eyed jacks are wild". It makes it a kids game.

 

[fbj]

This stat right here shocked me about the Pats

In all 7 superbowls that Brady and Belechick appeared in together, the Pats never scored in the 1st qtr

 

[Montrovant]

This stat right here shocked me about the Pats

In all 7 superbowls that Brady and Belechick appeared in together, the Pats never scored in the 1st qtr

That is surprising, but at the same time, I think a big part of what has made the Patriots great with Belichick and Brady is their ability to adjust, so it isn't shocking.