Newsom Wants to Teardown Hydro Dams in Water and Electricity Deprived California

[Weatherman2020]

If seals would destroy the salmon populations AFTER the dams come down, they would have destroyed them BEFORE the dams went up.

Yet, it never happened.

But don't let me interrupt your latest MAGA circle jerk, where y'all get each other off on whatever inane nonsense you can make up. Backed, of course, by jackshit.

Fish over humans.
How Leftard.

 

[BluesLegend]

You Leftards spinning for less electricity production in a blackout friendly Leftard state.

Hilarious.

They are truly stupid. Should I point out it was leftard California who proposed diverting one of the biggest rivers in the country south 300 plus miles into California? The salmon be dammed.

 

[BertramN]

The 'plan' in question is PG&Es.

PG&E formalizes plan to eliminate Lake Pillsbury in Mendocino National Forest in landmark move​

PG&E formalizes plan to eliminate Mendocino National Forest lake in landmark move

The utility could get regulatory approval for dam removal as early as 2028.

www.pressdemocrat.com

As usual, the right-wing nuts do not understand the situation. In California the truth about infrastructure is not ignored. Many of the dams here have gone well beyond their service life and are a danger to the communities they were built to protect.

This is another thread exposing right-wing ignorance and stupidity.





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[Skylar]

You Leftards spinning for less electricity production in a blackout friendly Leftard state.

Hilarious.

Dude, the last time California had serious blackout issues was 2001. There have been transmission line issues in 2005 and 2011, but none of those would have been impacted by these dam closures.

And of course, California has been ADDING domestic power generation , adding 9500 GWH since 2021. The Copco 2 dam that hadn't been producing power since 2006 only produced 108,000MWH.....or 108GWH

Roughly 1% of the power added to California since 2021.

You're shitting your pants over 1% of the power ADDED to California since 2021. And about .01% of its total power generation of the State.

You guys are delusional.

 

[Skylar]

As usual, the right-wing nuts do not understand the situation. In California the truth about infrastructure is not ignored. Many of the dams here have gone well beyond their service life and are a danger to the communities they were built to protect.

This is another thread exposing right-wing ignorance and stupidity.





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Oh, its so much worse. They've embellished, pulling 'stats' of the 'billions' it will cost these companies to dismantle the dams, on the 'order' of California, and the 'hundreds of thousands of households' that will be without electricity after these dams come down, and how the 'seals will wipe out the salmon'......all flush with bizarrely specific death fantasies about how Californians will die of thirst in droves.

All pure, made up bullshit. All pulled sideways out of their own ass little asses.

You're getting to watch, in real time, how MAGA 'reasoning' works. Its pristine imagination, backed by nothing. but emotion. And they'll cling to their inventions until they die.

 

[Kondor3]

PacifiCorp is mostly fueled by fossil fuels, with coal and natural gas making up over 60% of their total power generation. Hydro represented barely 4%.

Acknowledged.

And yet hundreds of thousands of homes are going to be cast into darkness with no electricity

If the article tells the truth...

...that the dams no longer generate power...

...then it is logical to conclude that there is zero loss of generating capacity and that not a single home goes dark...

...at least none will go dark in connection with this particular round of dam-busting, yes?

, with Californians dying of thirst in droves because the dams are coming down?

They can always steal more waster from the Colorado River...

Its chicken little nonsense. PacificCorp is connected to the broader electrical networks, as it pretty much everyone but Texas. They can buy power, or generate more using their other facilities. I don't understand all the panty shitting over this.

Agreed... at least at first glance.

Better yet, with open salmon runs, the populations can make a rebound and California can reopen commercial salmon fishing again. There's economic reasons to tear these dams down in both the economics of these century old dams AND in the habitat restoration

Not all Democratic plans are bad... just most of them...

 

[Skylar]

Acknowledged.

If the article tells the truth...

...that the dams no longer generate power...

...then it is logical to conclude that there is zero loss of generating capacity and that not a single home goes dark...

...at least none will go dark in connection with this particular round of dam-busting, yes?

They can always steal more waster from the Colorado River...

Or just pull water from the Klamath. Its head lands are in eastern Oregon and don't touch the Colorado.

Agreed... at least at first glance.

Not all Democratic plans are bad... just most of them...

Smiling.....law of large numbers, perhaps?

 

[tyroneweaver]

Makes perfect sense.
For someone who hates Western Civilization.

Democrats are full speed ahead in their efforts to destroy America.

California Gov. Newsom backs dam removal projects to boost salmon. Critics say that's not enough

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is pledging to fast-track more than half a dozen projects to remove or bypass dams that have blocked salmon

abcnews.go.com

I didn’t know salmon migrated up stream in california

 

[Skylar]

I didn’t know salmon migrated up stream in california

All over as I understand it.

Chinook Salmon

Klamath, Trinity, the central deltas, sacramento river, San Joaquin river, even a bit of the Russian River.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Used to provide electricity and water and prevent floods.

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Ya, Hoover and glen canyon were built to control flooding
Electrical is a cherry

 

[BluesLegend]

Acknowledged.

If the article tells the truth...

...that the dams no longer generate power...

...then it is logical to conclude that there is zero loss of generating capacity and that not a single home goes dark...

...at least none will go dark in connection with this particular round of dam-busting, yes?

They can always steal more waster from the Colorado River...

Agreed... at least at first glance.

Not all Democratic plans are bad... just most of them...

Seriously, you folks don't understand west coast weather. The massive volume of water that drops out of storms coming off the pacific is nothing like the rest of the country. Unlike storms on the east coast the Pacific storms march onshore, hit the mountain ranges and DUMP water for days. With steep mountain terrain that stuff comes blasting down stream moving boulders the size of an SUV. Forget power generation, having some control over this flooding and destruction is a very good idea.

Next, these dams have fish ladders easier for salmon to traverse than the natural river. Salmon runs are closely monitored and harvesting is tightly controlled to ensure these specie's survival. Things that are actually impacting salmon, invasive species that are gobbling up the baby salmon. You can make good money fishing for these scumbag invasive predator fish. To help there are vast numbers of fish hatcheries all along the west coast. They raise and release millions of baby salmon.

The environmentalist idiots are pushing for the destruction of dams. Yet another half baked non-science based emotional outburst from these freaks.

 

[otto105]

Makes perfect sense.
For someone who hates Western Civilization.

Democrats are full speed ahead in their efforts to destroy America.

California Gov. Newsom backs dam removal projects to boost salmon. Critics say that's not enough

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is pledging to fast-track more than half a dozen projects to remove or bypass dams that have blocked salmon

abcnews.go.com

By restoring salmon habitat?

 

[Skylar]

Seriously, you folks don't understand west coast weather. The massive volume of water that drops out of storms coming off the pacific is nothing like the rest of the country. Unlike storms on the east coast the Pacific storms march onshore, hit the mountain ranges and DUMP water for days. With steep mountain terrain that stuff comes blasting down stream moving boulders the size of an SUV. Forget power generation, having some control over this flooding and destruction is a very good idea.

Next, these dams have fish ladders easier for salmon to traverse than the natural river. Salmon runs are closely monitored and harvesting is tightly controlled to ensure these specie's survival. Things that are actually impacting salmon, invasive species that are gobbling up the baby salmon. You can make good money fishing for these scumbag invasive predator fish. To help there are vast numbers of fish hatcheries all along the west coast. They raise and release millions of baby salmon.

The environmentalist idiots are pushing for the destruction of dams. Yet another half baked non-science based emotional outburst from these freaks.

Says the poor, hapless soul that insisted that if we remove the dams, then we'll see the seals eat all the salmon upriver. Despite the fact that the seals didn't eat all the salmon upriver BEFORE the dams.

All four of the lower klamath dams, for example provide a grand total of 10 hours of capacity. There's not designed to control flooding. They are designed as 'run of river' facilities, where they release the same amount of water that flows into the reservoirs, about a day later. They store up water overnight and release it the next morning.

They are NOT flood control dams, nor were ever designed to be.

Will there be flooding? You bet. Will the lack of the dams matter much at all? No. Flow difference estimates are about 7%. The lower Klamath dams were never designed to stop floods, intended insteaad for OVERNIGHT storage of water flow to be released to generate power.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Makes perfect sense.
For someone who hates Western Civilization.

Democrats are full speed ahead in their efforts to destroy America.

California Gov. Newsom backs dam removal projects to boost salmon. Critics say that's not enough

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is pledging to fast-track more than half a dozen projects to remove or bypass dams that have blocked salmon

abcnews.go.com

Fish are more important than people.

 

[lennypartiv]

Coal has served us well. More coal plants and less windmills is the way to go.

 

[Skylar]

Fish are more important than people.

Or......these dams just don't make economic sense anymore, being over a century old. And by restoring the fish habitat you can increase their numbers and reopen commercial fisheries.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Or......these dams just don't make economic sense anymore, being over a century old. And by restoring the fish habitat you can increase their numbers and reopen commercial fisheries.

Of course electrical generation is not important to you Leftards. Fish not endangered are though.

 

[Skylar]

Of course electrical generation is not important to you Leftards. Fish not endangered are though.

Again, for the folks that refuse to do the tiniest bit of research, California has already increased its electric grids capacity by 9500GWH since 2021.

The dam that was just taken down wasn't generating electricity nor had it since 2006. When it did, it produced 108GWHs of power. Roughly 1% of the 9500 GWH in increase California has added in the last 3 years alone. And roughly 0.01% of the total power generation capacity of the grid.

You don't know what you're talking about. You never know you're talking about. You're an aggressively ignorant person.

 

[martybegan]

Again, for the folks that refuse to do the tiniest bit of research, California has already increased its electric grids capacity by 9500GWH since 2021.

The dam that was just taken down wasn't generating electricity nor had it since 2006. When it did, it produced 108GWHs of power. Roughly 1% of the 9500 GWH in increase California has added in the last 3 years alone. And roughly 0.01% of the total power generation capacity of the grid.

You don't know what you're talking about. You never know you're talking about. You're an aggressively ignorant person.

And how much of that "Added" capacity is 24/7 baseline capacity (minus maintenance of course) and how much of it is intermittent renewables like solar and wind?

hydro power is the one of the few renewables that can take the place of baseline power.

 

[Skylar]

And how much of that "Added" capacity is 24/7 baseline capacity (minus maintenance of course) and how much of it is intermittent renewables like solar and wind?

hydro power is the one of the few renewables that can take the place of baseline power.

Hydro power that hasn't generated electricity since 2006 is one of the few renewables that can take the place of baseline power?

Who knew?