Newly released court documents cast doubt on Gingrich version of first divorce

[Inthemiddle]

these RECORDS WERE SEALED about his DIVORCE

False.

really? you ever been divorced? can we look at your records..we are all really curious bout them.
just to see if you lied or were a jerk of course.

You've gone from a false statement, to an emotional appeal. None of it changes the facts.

 

[geauxtohell]

these RECORDS WERE SEALED about his DIVORCE

False.

Yeah. They weren't sealed. They were hidden.

Nice of those folks down there in Booger, County GA to shove them into a desk drawer for the last two decades.

 

[geauxtohell]

Why are all you libturds trying so hard to 86 Newt's campaign if you think he would be so easy for Obama to beat?

Yeah. We are the ones that fucked up his ability to get on the ballot in Virgina.

We don't have to 86 Newt. He's doing a good enough job of that on his own.

Yet , Obama's minions still find it necessary to go through Newt's divorce records to dig up mud they can sling at him.

Curios.

"Obama's minions"?

Please. You honestly think the media wasn't going to look into candidates personal lives? Especially someone like Gingrich?

It has nothing to do with Obama, it helps Romney more then Obama at this point. Obama would rather this all come out in the general against a Gingrich nominee.

At any rate, the story just illustrates that Newt is lying through his teeth about the circumstances of his first divorce. It's pretty obvious that Gingrich simply left his woman for another woman, as much as he wants everyone to think it was mutual.

It's irrelevant anyways. Gingrich screwed himself for winning the primary with the Virginia fiasco.

 

[Gadawg73]

Very little of what's in court documents can be relied on to be truthful. Affidavits under penalty of perjury are at best half truthful.

There is so much boilerplate that's required to be in legal documents that relying on them for facts is impossible.

Thank you. Exactly.
How does one cross examine an affidavit?
You hit it right on spot.
And the rules of civil procedure here, especially in domestic relations, are completely different now.

 

[Gadawg73]

these RECORDS WERE SEALED about his DIVORCE

False.

Yeah. They weren't sealed. They were hidden.

Nice of those folks down there in Booger, County GA to shove them into a desk drawer for the last two decades.

Wrong, it is common practice all over the country to seal divorce records.
In most instances the wife requests it as they are the ones getting the financial settlement.
Ask any CPA what their advise is on sealed divorce cases.
Get back to us when you have updated your facts.
The Clerk of Superior Court in each county keeps all court documents in Georgia.

 

[Gadawg73]

Yeah. We are the ones that fucked up his ability to get on the ballot in Virgina.

We don't have to 86 Newt. He's doing a good enough job of that on his own.

Yet , Obama's minions still find it necessary to go through Newt's divorce records to dig up mud they can sling at him.

Curios.

"Obama's minions"?

Please. You honestly think the media wasn't going to look into candidates personal lives? Especially someone like Gingrich?

It has nothing to do with Obama, it helps Romney more then Obama at this point. Obama would rather this all come out in the general against a Gingrich nominee.

At any rate, the story just illustrates that Newt is lying through his teeth about the circumstances of his first divorce. It's pretty obvious that Gingrich simply left his woman for another woman, as much as he wants everyone to think it was mutual.

It's irrelevant anyways. Gingrich screwed himself for winning the primary with the Virginia fiasco.

I am not a fan at all of Humpty Dumpty but you have your facts all wrong.
The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual and the kids from that marriage also do.
So who do you believe? The woman he divorced and their kids or the media?

 

[Stephanie]

I don't think magic had anything to do with it, but since you supported Christine "Not A Witch" O'Donnell, I can see how you believe it.

Nope - CNN requested the divorce papers, and the guy at the county courthouse called up the retired clerk, who told the current clerk where he could find the documents from that period.

Yeah....magic.

whatever...continue to cream you jeans over someones DIVORCE papers. you want to look stupid, not our problem

when one says whatever, they concede they are in the wrong....

ummmmK

 

[Katzndogz]

Very little of what's in court documents can be relied on to be truthful. Affidavits under penalty of perjury are at best half truthful.

There is so much boilerplate that's required to be in legal documents that relying on them for facts is impossible.

Thank you. Exactly.
How does one cross examine an affidavit?
You hit it right on spot.
And the rules of civil procedure here, especially in domestic relations, are completely different now.

Most of divorce papers are boiler plate anyway. Get ten divorces, they will all say the same thing.

 

[paperview]

I am not a fan at all of Humpty Dumpty but you have your facts all wrong.
The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual and the kids from that marriage also do.
So who do you believe? The woman he divorced and their kids or the media?

Wrong. Very wrong.

 

[Gadawg73]

I am not a fan at all of Humpty Dumpty but you have your facts all wrong.
The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual and the kids from that marriage also do.
So who do you believe? The woman he divorced and their kids or the media?

Wrong. Very wrong.

Want to wager 10K?

 

[Inthemiddle]

The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual

Then how do you explain the fact that the wife petitioned the court to reject the divorce?

and the kids from that marriage also do.

Yeah, because most couples who get divorced run to their kids to drag out the drama in front of their eyes.

So who do you believe?

Good question, who do you believe? A career politician and known liar who is running for President and has substantial political injury to suffer? Or documented court filings?

 

[Gadawg73]

I am not a fan at all of Humpty Dumpty but you have your facts all wrong.
The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual and the kids from that marriage also do.
So who do you believe? The woman he divorced and their kids or the media?

Wrong. Very wrong.

Want to wager 10K?

Gingrich's daughter from that marriage wrote an article stating the true facts.
Jackie asked for the divorce.
In this article she wrote she states "my mother requested the divorce as I was there and heard her request it".
Amazing how the media can get anyone to believe anything.

 

[geauxtohell]

False.

Yeah. They weren't sealed. They were hidden.

Nice of those folks down there in Booger, County GA to shove them into a desk drawer for the last two decades.

Wrong, it is common practice all over the country to seal divorce records.
In most instances the wife requests it as they are the ones getting the financial settlement.
Ask any CPA what their advise is on sealed divorce cases.
Get back to us when you have updated your facts.
The Clerk of Superior Court in each county keeps all court documents in Georgia.

Yeah. They certainly sound like they were "sealed".

Last week, CNN obtained the folder containing the filings from the 1980 divorce, after initially being told that the divorce documents were sealed. The folder had been stashed away for years in a Carroll County, Georgia, court clerk's drawer.

Retired clerk Kenneth Skinner told CNN his deputy took Gingrich's file out of the public records room around 1994, "when he (Gingrich) became the center of attention," because Skinner feared tampering and theft.

"During these years, you had to make sure those papers were there," Skinner said. "People could go in those files and get things out. We didn't have enough security to control it."

Current Carroll County Clerk of Court Alan Lee said he called the retired deputy clerk, who told him where to find the papers, after CNN began looking for them last week.

The documents, and interviews with people close to the couple at the time, contradict the Gingrich claim about who wanted the divorce.

Newt Gingrich filed a divorce complaint on July 14, 1980, in Carroll County, saying that "the marriage of the parties is irretriebably (sic) broken."

http://www.usmessageboard.com/private.php?do=showpm&pmid=1830977

 

[Inthemiddle]

Gingrich's daughter from that marriage wrote an article stating the true facts.
Jackie asked for the divorce.
In this article she wrote she states "my mother requested the divorce as I was there and heard her request it".
Amazing how the media can get anyone to believe anything.

Yet Newt was the one who filed for divorce. If her mother wanted the divorce, why didn't she file for it? When Jackie responded to Newt's divorce filing, she petitioned the court to REJECT the divorce. Furthermore, you're devolving into kettle logic. First it was that the divorce was mutual. Now, it was Jackie who wanted the divorce. These arguments are inconsistent with each other, much less the facts.

The court documentation clearly shows that Newt initiated the divorce and that Jackie did not want it.

 

[paperview]

Wrong. Very wrong.

Want to wager 10K?

Gingrich's daughter from that marriage wrote an article stating the true facts.
Jackie asked for the divorce.
In this article she wrote she states "my mother requested the divorce as I was there and heard her request it".
Amazing how the media can get anyone to believe anything.

Yeah. I would.
I know a hellof a lot more about this shit and Gingrich -- from almost 20 years of following him.

The articles are in this thread showing it was HIM who wanted it.

It was not Jackie. And his daughter is on his payroll.

She is calling her own mother a liar. Even Newt said he wanted the divorce years ago.

I am too busy to look up the articles, (Which has plenty NAMED sources) but they are in this thread.

I'm telling you: you are wrong.

 

[Gadawg73]

The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual

Then how do you explain the fact that the wife petitioned the court to reject the divorce?

and the kids from that marriage also do.

Yeah, because most couples who get divorced run to their kids to drag out the drama in front of their eyes.

So who do you believe?

Good question, who do you believe? A career politician and known liar who is running for President and has substantial political injury to suffer? Or documented court filings?

Unpaid bills agreed to be paid by any final decree had her attorney filing that petititon. That is as common a practice as there is in a divorce case. Without an order for temporary support and child support the initial petition has to have that language as an answer by a defendant. Without it no Judge can grant any final decree. If the answer has her AGRREING to the divorce, even if she did so verbally as his daughters have stated many times, then she has NO claim to challenge a granting of the temporary support and child support by a Rule Nisi hearing by the Judge. This was manuevering by her attorney to SET THAT IN PLACE BEFORE the Rule Nisi as most Judges want that. Additionally, it was handled that way and she was satisfied with the support.
Much ado about nothing.

 

[geauxtohell]

Yet , Obama's minions still find it necessary to go through Newt's divorce records to dig up mud they can sling at him.

Curios.

"Obama's minions"?

Please. You honestly think the media wasn't going to look into candidates personal lives? Especially someone like Gingrich?

It has nothing to do with Obama, it helps Romney more then Obama at this point. Obama would rather this all come out in the general against a Gingrich nominee.

At any rate, the story just illustrates that Newt is lying through his teeth about the circumstances of his first divorce. It's pretty obvious that Gingrich simply left his woman for another woman, as much as he wants everyone to think it was mutual.

It's irrelevant anyways. Gingrich screwed himself for winning the primary with the Virginia fiasco.

I am not a fan at all of Humpty Dumpty but you have your facts all wrong.
The facts are that the wife in question states it was mutual and the kids from that marriage also do.
So who do you believe? The woman he divorced and their kids or the media?

I believe the public record which disputes Gingrich's account.

 

[Gadawg73]

Want to wager 10K?

Gingrich's daughter from that marriage wrote an article stating the true facts.
Jackie asked for the divorce.
In this article she wrote she states "my mother requested the divorce as I was there and heard her request it".
Amazing how the media can get anyone to believe anything.

Yeah. I would.
I know a hellof a lot more about this shit and Gingrich -- from almost 20 years of following him.

The articles are in this thread showing it was HIM who wanted it.

It was not Jackie. And his daughter is on his payroll.

She is calling her own mother a liar. Even Newt said he wanted the divorce years ago.

I am too busy to look up the articles, (Which has plenty NAMED sources) but they are in this thread.

I'm telling you: you are wrong.

You are too lazy to look up the article. It does not match your biased ideology.

 

[geauxtohell]

Gingrich's daughter from that marriage wrote an article stating the true facts.
Jackie asked for the divorce.
In this article she wrote she states "my mother requested the divorce as I was there and heard her request it".
Amazing how the media can get anyone to believe anything.

Yet Newt was the one who filed for divorce. If her mother wanted the divorce, why didn't she file for it? When Jackie responded to Newt's divorce filing, she petitioned the court to REJECT the divorce. Furthermore, you're devolving into kettle logic. First it was that the divorce was mutual. Now, it was Jackie who wanted the divorce. These arguments are inconsistent with each other, much less the facts.

The court documentation clearly shows that Newt initiated the divorce and that Jackie did not want it.

Because we, apparently, live in ye olden times where a woman has to ask for, and be granted, permission for a divorce.

 

[paperview]

For starters:

This new revision by his daughter (and what wingers have been pulling out of late) goes against the history of what happened, and the fact that all these years Gingrich has not denied what his wife has said.

Jackie: "He can say that we had been talking about it [divorce] for 10 years, but the truth is that it came as a complete surprise."
Source: Gail Sheehy. "The Inner Quest of Newt Gingrich." Vanity Fair. 9/1995. Pbs.org.

He's very good at enlisting the help of his family, even as he stabs them in the back.
Not to be forgotten is the fact this family values guy was a deadbeat dad.

"In his make-or-break 1978 race, Gingrich enlisted Jackie to attack his female opponent, who had announced that if elected she would commute to Washington and allow her family to remain in Georgia. At Gingrich's instigation, Jackie wrote a campaign letter declaring that Newt was a fine husband and would take his family with him, although his top aides already knew Gingrich was having affairs and the marriage was falling apart.

[FONT=times, times new roman] The most notorious incident in Gingrich's marriage -- first reported by David Osborne in Mother Jones magazine in 1984 -- was when he cornered Jackie in her hospital room where she was recovering from uterine cancer surgery and insisted on discussing the terms of the divorce he was seeking. [/FONT]

Shortly after that infamous encounter, Gingrich refused to pay his alimony and child-support payments. The First Baptist Church in his hometown had to take up a collection to support the family Gingrich had deserted[FONT=times, times new roman]. [/FONT]"
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