New York Judgment Against Trump Violates the Eighth Amendment

The guy can claim the restaurant owner failed to be "due diligence" He should have asked him for ID, but failed to. Besides, until somebody pointed out the picture, he didn't complain.

Right?
He can claim whatever he wants to. It's a question of fact and law. That's why there are trials.

What the courts won't do is take the restaurant's complaint, and issue a summary judgement without giving the defendant a chance to make his argument and call his witnesses.
 
He can claim whatever he wants to. It's a question of fact and law. That's why there are trials.

What the courts won't do is take the restaurant's complaint, and issue a summary judgement without giving the defendant a chance to make his argument and call his witnesses.


So you believe in trials, even when there are no victims?

A simple yes/no.
 
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Actually in your example, when you said you owned a home, they would ask, are their any encumbrances on it? And you said NO!

Based on your lie, they give you a collateral secured rate, where if they knew you had two mortgages and a mechanics lien on the house, they would have charged you the unsecured personal loan rate.
Lenders run title searches. True story
 
Because like Trump and the banks, the Bernie Maddoff customers said the same thing as the banks. They were 100% satisfied.

People made fortunes, before they lost them.

In 2008, as the global economy began to decline, large numbers of Madoff investors needed money and began asking to cash in their investments. That's when Madoff's Ponzi scheme burst – he did not have enough money to cover his investors' requests and new investor money was hard to be found in the economic downturn.

Even as the Bernie Maddoff scheme was collapsing, people were sending him money.
That is such a LIE. Madoff victims ultimately lost their money. Trump’s “victim” made money, in accordance with the contract they made.

You are really stretching to make this sound like some horrible act, when the one you SHOULD be concerned about it the one who allowed his family to become multimillionaires by peddling influence to Communists.

The Trump case is a big deflection from that.
 
Actually in your example, when you said you owned a home, they would ask, are their any encumbrances on it? And you said NO!

Based on your lie, they give you a collateral secured rate, where if they knew you had two mortgages and a mechanics lien on the house, they would have charged you the unsecured personal loan rate.
And you think the bank didn’t know the real value? They knew it….Trump knew they knew it….and the bank was thrilled to land him as a client. He paid off his loan as contracted, and the “victim” made $100 million and wants to do another deal.

You people are just showing American voters the extent to which Democrats are eager to keep them from electing the president they want.
 
I never invoked the 6th amendment. I recognize the copy/paste and I know that's the justification the judge uses.

But it's a crock of shit. If this is the way the law was meant to be used it's unconstitutional. Everyone is entitled to due process.

You can't just deem someone guilty of a non-crime and have an unrestricted right to take their property.
The Dems are setting a precedent here for looking into wealthy people’s dealings where there is no victim, and then allowing ONE individual to “rule” that he must turn over hundreds of millions of dollars to the state.
 
The Dems are setting a precedent here for looking into wealthy people’s dealings where there is no victim, and then allowing ONE individual to “rule” that he must turn over hundreds of millions of dollars to the state.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

If it were up to me, we'd be confiscating everything the rich have and then harvesting them for transplant organs. There's really no excuse for 1% of the population to have 41% of the wealth.
 
Most was disgorgement.


Disgorgement is supposed to be viewed as remedial action instead of being used as a punishment. According to the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, disgorgement is supposed to take away a wrongdoer’s ill-gotten gains and to serve as a warning to any entity that attempts to effectively steal from others or to profit in a way that is unethical.

Disgorgement is considered an equitable remedy, not a punitive action. It is not designed to punish, but to act as a tool for justice, requiring illegally obtained gains to be returned. It means that – in order to be equitable and not punitive – the SEC can only recover the approximate amount that was earned illegally or unethically. Seeking interest or additional payment would make the disgorgement punitive.
Dumbfuck the bank said it wasn't a victim
 

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