New Trump Ad Slams Biden: 'Surrender In Chief'

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Queen of the playground insult! No I'm not, kaz, YOU are!

& yet you couldn't refudiate this -

it makes SO much sense to withdraw ALL 5000- like donny wanted to do initially; but when he got tons of blowback - including his psychophants in his party - he upped the troop number from ZERO to 2500, only to send more in when the number was already there; knowing they would need to be there in a relatively short amount of time? LOL!!!!

or this -

20 yrs kazoo ---- 20 fucking years. & i'm defending a president who finally is taking the responsibility AND the heat for the inevitable mess it was gonna be. no other prez - including obama wanted to take it on. donny grandstanded, with no real exit plan - & cuddling up to the taliban & allowing them to release 5000 prisoners wasn't it.

how about this?

Trump: We defeated ISIS '100 percent'​

10/08/2019 11:09 AM EDT

Trump: We defeated ISIS '100 percent'

www.politico.com

 

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They are still providing a haven for Al Qaeda

& ISIS ... that donny said was defeated ' 100% ' ... don't forget that!

and were required to work out a peace deal with the Afghani government.

the 'deal' was made withOUT including the afghani gov'ment when the contract was made.

so then, what you are saying is we 'trusted' the taliban to go to the afghani gov'ment on their own after signing on the dotted line & not having them at the table from the start?

that's yer defense?

So, no, the 'agreement' that Trump made with the Taliban, which was never really an actual binding agreement

wtf do you think the CONTRACT was? it WAS an agreement ... you know ... that i posted ... straight from the state dept... that shows otherwise:

Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America February 29, 2020 which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

considering that Trump did this on his own, was not followed.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.................... & pompeo ... don't forget the secretary of state! after all the AGREEMENT was signed sealed & delivered to the taliban courtesy of the state department.

We defeated ourselves’: Trump’s national security adviser says Pompeo signed ‘surrender agreement’ with Taliban​

Former Trump administration officials are seeking to distance themselves from Taliban peace deal​

Oliver O'Connell
New York
4 days ago

HR McMaster, one of Donald Trump’s former national security advisers, has condemned the deal struck with the Taliban during the previous administration as a “surrender agreement”.
“Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban,” Mr McMaster said on Bari Weiss’ podcast Honestly.

“This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Former Trump’s adviser says Pompeo signed ‘surrender agreement’ with Taliban

 

[Care4all]

he has sent 6K back in to evacuate now,, so he could have done the same thing months ago,,

face it,, he fucked up really bad and its hilarious watch morons like you make excuses,, well it would be hilarious except for the fact many americans stand to be killed or become hostages,,

But was it because the administration believed they had hundreds of thousands of Afghan Army (who we trained for 20 years), were going to help get the green card and citizen Americans out?

And because the Afghan Govt and Army to help us, did not happen, the Afghani ran instead of giving it a good fight, everything fell apart and chaos set in? And every move after that by the administration was a scramble to get some control of the situation that fell apart, including closing the AF base? Or was closing the base, what made Afghani give up?

When our mission is done, and everyone is out, hopefully with no more attacks from ISIS k and killing of our military, we need to get to the bottom of what happened, and why it happened....history, needs to be recorded on this, and we need to learn from all the mistakes, big and small!

 

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& ISIS ... that donny said was defeated ' 100% ' ... don't forget that!

I could care less. Trump bloviated and lied continually. Biden does not bloviate as much. lies just as continuously though.

the 'deal' was made withOUT including the afghani gov'ment when the contract was made.

so then, what you are saying is we 'trusted' the taliban to go to the afghani gov'ment on their own after signing on the dotted line & not having them at the table from the start?

that's yer defense?

No. I said that it was a requirement of the agreement. Period. that is not a defense, it is a fact.

wtf do you think the CONTRACT was? it WAS an agreement ... you know ... that i posted ... straight from the state dept... that shows otherwise:

Agreement for Bringing Peace to Afghanistan between the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban and the United States of America February 29, 2020 which corresponds to Rajab 5, 1441 on the Hijri Lunar calendar and Hoot 10, 1398 on the Hijri Solar calendar

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/up...or-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf



haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.................... & pompeo ... don't forget the secretary of state! after all the AGREEMENT was signed sealed & delivered to the taliban courtesy of the state department.

We defeated ourselves’: Trump’s national security adviser says Pompeo signed ‘surrender agreement’ with Taliban​

Former Trump administration officials are seeking to distance themselves from Taliban peace deal​

Oliver O'Connell
New York
4 days ago
HR McMaster, one of Donald Trump’s former national security advisers, has condemned the deal struck with the Taliban during the previous administration as a “surrender agreement”.
“Our secretary of state [Mike Pompeo] signed a surrender agreement with the Taliban,” Mr McMaster said on Bari Weiss’ podcast Honestly.

“This collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. The Taliban didn’t defeat us. We defeated ourselves.”
Former Trump’s adviser says Pompeo signed ‘surrender agreement’ with Taliban

And?

He still did it on his own, just his administration and, as we all know, anything that a president does another one can simply undo or even outright ignore.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

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And because the Afghan Govt and Army to help us, did not happen, the Afghani ran instead of giving it a good fight, everything fell apart and chaos set in?

the day that 'agreement' was signed between the US & the taliban - without including the afghan gov'ment - was the day the US declared the taliban the 'winners'.

the afghan gov'ment knew it ... & their army knew it. the army broke & fled & the afghan president boogied with a boatload of cash. he had it planned well in advance.

 

[DrLove]

Anyone who believes Trumpy Bear’s exit would have gone one bit smoother is an idiot. Exits are always messy.

That said, we should have been out of their 19 years ago.

However, once we were there that long, 3-5k should have remained permanently. That was a poor decision on Biden’s part. It really wasn’t a war anymore.

 

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But was it because the administration believed they had hundreds of thousands of Afghan Army (who we trained for 20 years), were going to help get the green card and citizen Americans out?

And because the Afghan Govt and Army to help us, did not happen, the Afghani ran instead of giving it a good fight, everything fell apart and chaos set in? And every move after that by the administration was a scramble to get some control of the situation that fell apart, including closing the AF base? Or was closing the base, what made Afghani give up?

When our mission is done, and everyone is out, hopefully with no more attacks from ISIS k and killing of our military, we need to get to the bottom of what happened, and why it happened....history, needs to be recorded on this, and we need to learn from all the mistakes, big and small!

I think it is due to the way that we have been training and arming the Afghani army. As far as I can tell, it seems that we were training and setting them up with the specific intention that they would have US air and ground support for their forces. That makes sense as it is the standard way we operate - same thing has happened in virtually every nation we have had extensive operations in. Places like N. Korea.

When we pulled out it took a key part of their military capability away - mainly air power and reconnaissance. Without that, the entire structure of their military simply folded - they had no capability.

The did not simply 'cut and run' considering they have been fighting for the last 2 decades along side the us suffering FAR more casualties than the US suffered. They are also unlikely to survive should they fail to get out of the country. It makes no sense that they would have run if there was even a remote possibility they could have maintained their control. To be honest, the most likely scenario here is that we royally fucked them over.

This is not the first time in recent history that we have done this to our allies. If I were a foreign nation and the US asked me to support them in war efforts for any reason whatsoever I would tell us to go pound sand. The colossal fuckup all the ME wars represent cannot be understated - we have royally fucked up our reputation.

 

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I could care less. Trump bloviated and lied continually. Biden does not bloviate as much. lies just as continuously though.


No. I said that it was a requirement of the agreement. Period. that is not a defense, it is a fact.

And?

He still did it on his own, just his administration and, as we all know, anything that a president does another one can simply undo or even outright ignore.

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well ^^^that ^^^ was hard to follow.

but i did manage to see this:

you: He still did it on his own, just his administration ...

his administration obviously didn't know wtf they were doing, did they?

they agreed to the release of 5000 taliban JUST to get them to the table. his secretary of defense mark esper stated quite clearly that donny didn't care what happened as long as that 'deal' was followed thru with no regard for our troops.

... and, as we all know, anything that a president does another one can simply undo or even outright ignore.

um ... no; WE all don't know that - 'cause that is the exception, NOT the rule, when a signed contract is in the mix. donny deliberately set the withdrawal date a mere 5 months after his1st term would be over ... setting it up to either:

A) 'allow' the taliban to lead their own country, without the afghan gov'ment's participation if he won a 2nd term -

why do you think he had mullah baradar released from prison in 2018?

OR

B) leave a great big giant orange turd for the next prez to deal with, knowing full well the chaos it would bring either by trying to meet that may deadline, or staying past it.

& noooooooooo ..... only an executive order can be ignored from a previous president, by the current president.

 

[Care4all]

the day that 'agreement' was signed between the US & the taliban - without including the afghan gov'ment - was the day the US declared the taliban the 'winners'.

the afghan gov'ment knew it ... & their army knew it. the army broke & fled & the afghan president boogied with a boatload of cash. he had it planned well in advance.

Yes. All of that needs to be included in the overview of this when the mission is done! But it shouldn't stop there... We need a Post Mortem of the past 20 years, beginning at the actual beginning! What was the mission??

So far, after the Afghani Fall, setting in the chaos....
The Biden administration and our Military, have done a pretty darn good job of getting 100,000 plus American green card holders and American citizens out...but at a toll of life and limb of our military, and Afghani trying to escape. And more ISIS threat on the horizon....!!! Mind over matter....lets all, including republicans, hope or pray that we have no more suicide bombers!

 

[Care4all]

Really, he did?

Then perhaps you can point out some of those provisions that Trump negotiated that have occurred?

The Taliban guarantee not to harm Americans, none killed on Biden watch as well, the Taliban providing security for our exit....the Taliban being in charge was a result of agreement with them.

 

[Clipper]

I'm too drunk to comment. If fuck you seems appropriate that's my response

That's ok. We're use to your drunken outbursts.

 

[kaz]

& yet you couldn't refudiate this -

it makes SO much sense to withdraw ALL 5000- like donny wanted to do initially; but when he got tons of blowback - including his psychophants in his party - he upped the troop number from ZERO to 2500, only to send more in when the number was already there; knowing they would need to be there in a relatively short amount of time? LOL!!!!

or this -

20 yrs kazoo ---- 20 fucking years. & i'm defending a president who finally is taking the responsibility AND the heat for the inevitable mess it was gonna be. no other prez - including obama wanted to take it on. donny grandstanded, with no real exit plan - & cuddling up to the taliban & allowing them to release 5000 prisoners wasn't it.

how about this?

Trump: We defeated ISIS '100 percent'​

10/08/2019 11:09 AM EDT

Trump: We defeated ISIS '100 percent'

www.politico.com

Those all perfectly have nothing to do with the subject, how Biden fucked up the withdraw. What a stupid bimbo.

Brain check on aisle 6 ...

We agree on the withdraw.

You're just guzzling Biden cum, he keep trying to float that red herring too that the issue is over WHETHER we withdraw.

What's funny is how every time the Democrats are in trouble, you're the first one to come running to defend them. You and Mac1958 . Oh, but you're not Democrats, LOL.

Aww, Mac is crying again, he does do that ...

 

[danielpalos]

Seems more like lousy initial planning.

 

[progressive hunter]

But was it because the administration believed they had hundreds of thousands of Afghan Army (who we trained for 20 years), were going to help get the green card and citizen Americans out?

And because the Afghan Govt and Army to help us, did not happen, the Afghani ran instead of giving it a good fight, everything fell apart and chaos set in? And every move after that by the administration was a scramble to get some control of the situation that fell apart, including closing the AF base? Or was closing the base, what made Afghani give up?

When our mission is done, and everyone is out, hopefully with no more attacks from ISIS k and killing of our military, we need to get to the bottom of what happened, and why it happened....history, needs to be recorded on this, and we need to learn from all the mistakes, big and small!

doesnt matter,,
the fact is biden left in the middle of the night and left weapons and americans behind,, it was such a fuck up he had to send 6K back to help,,

 

[Clipper]

doesnt matter,,
the fact is biden left in the middle of the night and left weapons and americans behind,, it was such a fuck up he had to send 6K back to help,,

The babbling clown Trump wanted to reopen Bagram. Sure. Just like reopening the local KMart. Piece of cake.

 

[progressive hunter]

The babbling clown Trump wanted to reopen Bagram. Sure. Just like reopening the local KMart. Piece of cake.

got a link??
cause last I heard he said we should blow it up to keep the taliban from getting it,,

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

Trump PAC hits Biden on Afghanistan in new digital ad

Former President Donald Trump is launching a new campaign-style advertisement on digital platforms attacking President Joe Biden, criticizing his embattled successor's handling of the U.S. military withdrawal from Afghanistan.

news.yahoo.com

Right on target with this ad.

 

[progressive hunter]

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its how he got us out not that he got us out,,,

he left americans and armed the enemy,,

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

Ummmmm...Trump NEGOTIATED that "surrender"

Jesus

Exactly. These fucking morons listen to Hannity and Trump and then parrot back what they hear on this board.
Their cerebral cortexes are nothing more than audio recording devices for Fox News.

 

[Blaine Sweeter]

its how he got us out not that he got us out,,,

he left americans and armed the enemy,,

If Trump had been in charge of this evacuation, you think he would have gotten 113,500 people out? Hell no, he doesn't like "illegal immigrants", remember?