New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

[Coyote]

I have continuously defended their right to defend themselves. Go find some one else to troll.

You are trying to make a case where he and his people are bigots for misstrusting those who want their genocide and you call HIM the troll?

Exactly and Coyote has continuously stated that Jews don’t need a homeland of their own because not every religion/culture has one while ignoring that there are 53+ mostly Muslim countries where Jews are most NOT welcome. Meanwhile Muslims are welcome in Israel and have a better life there, especially the women than in any mostly Muslim country. I am guessing Coyote is either Muslim or a Leftist.

In other posts, she has repeated the antisemitic canard that you folks are just Europeans

It makes the hatred easier that way.

Link please or I will assume you are lying. Thank you in advance for the link.

You definitely stated that the Jews don’t need a homeland and have examples of tribes near Australia as an example. I am 100% certain of that.

I am 100% it was not me. I have never used Australia as an example. Should be easy to find a link if it were so.

 

[Coyote]

Do you think people of different beliefs will ever learn to love and respect each other the way we do, Coyote?

Geez Tycho..get a grip dude! Yes, people can and generally prosperity, jobs, a good economy, education and a secular system of law can go a long way to that end.

 

[Coyote]

Uhhh what the hell are you talking about? I think you better provide solid link to that claim because I have always supported the Jewish right to a homeland.

I am Not going to go through all your posts but you gave an example of multiple cultures and tribes that don’t have their own. So now and here. Are you for the status quo, two state solution or one state solution or none of the above? State it clearly here and now. Thank you.

You are you lazy to follow what posters have said so you you just jump in and claim things with out checking first? Seriously?

Ststus quo is unsustsinable.

I do not see a one state solution as a means of preserving Israel's exhistence as a Jewish state with western values and standards of human rights and democratic principles. I dont see in the forseeable future how a one state solution would preserve Jewish rights and self determination so I do not support that.

Two state solution is looking increasingly untenable but it was what I supported.

I am open to a multi-state solution....whether it is caliphates or perhaps Gaza, part of the West Bank as states in conjunction with Israel, Egypt and Jordan oversight.

I am leaning more towards Israel annexing Area C, offering citizenship or permanent residency (individual's choice) and be done with it.

What I oppose absolutely is forced expulsions of peoples.

Does that clarify anything for you? You will find my posting history is consistent on those points.

It’s not forced expulsions. Those “people” aka Islamists who want Israel and all Jews wiped of the face of the planet. They need to be sent away to 50+ other Muslim nations. Otherwise we will have status quo. IMO.

How is "sending away" not forced expulsions?

Who exactly are "these people" and who has the right to forceably expel people from their homeland? You do realize that just because a country shares a religion that does not mean it shares a culture? To me, forceably expelling people, whether it Jews from Arab states or what some propose now is imo an absolute wrong.

During the civil war the confederacy killed every black prisoner who fought for the North. Abe Lincoln responded by stating he would kill every confederate prisoner until the confederacy stopped this practice. This was an evil action by a great man but it had to be done to prevent other evil actions. Eventually the confederacy agreed to stop killing black prisoners.

Palestinians are unhappy and their Govt is corrupt. Israel cannot help all the people in terms of giving them citizenship as it would eliminate the Jewish majority. Only answer is for other Muslim nations to take them in. IMO. You don’t like the answer but there is no other solution.

I disagree with your fundamental idea that there is no other solution. There are always other solutions.

 

[Shusha]

I disagree with your fundamental idea that there is no other solution. There are always other solutions.

If you have a solution for living in harmony with a people who believe you have no right to life please share!

 

[Coyote]

I disagree with your fundamental idea that there is no other solution. There are always other solutions.

If you have a solution for living in harmony with a people who believe you have no right to life please share!

The solution is not the forceable expulsion of people from their homeland.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

It’s not forced expulsions. Those “people” aka Islamists who want Israel and all Jews wiped of the face of the planet. They need to be sent away to 50+ other Muslim nations. Otherwise we will have status quo. IMO.

How is "sending away" not forced expulsions?

Who exactly are "these people" and who has the right to forceably expel people from their homeland? You do realize that just because a country shares a religion that does not mean it shares a culture? To me, forceably expelling people, whether it Jews from Arab states or what some propose now is imo an absolute wrong.

900000 Jews were already expelled from Arab states.

No peaceful person should be expelled these days either, but he was not talking about peaceful people. He was talking about Islamists.

Are you his mouth piece? Let him speak for himself. How do you define them? Peoe who have co.mitted violence? People who happen to be Muslim?

I cannot tell the difference because the peaceful Muslim people as you call them don’t seem to stand up to the violent ones very often. Look at Pew Research more than half of the so called peaceful ones support sharia law.

So a couple things...one is context. I am familiar with the poll. Attitudes vary according to culture and nationality as does what Sharia is and how it is used. For example....praying a certain way and not eating certain foods is Sharia. The poll has context than you credit.

Secondly...what does that mean in terms of expulsions?

It means the further away they are from the Jewish land the faster we can achieve peace. You do realize that leaving Islam is punishable by death. Not exactly a western / modern value.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I am Not going to go through all your posts but you gave an example of multiple cultures and tribes that don’t have their own. So now and here. Are you for the status quo, two state solution or one state solution or none of the above? State it clearly here and now. Thank you.

You are you lazy to follow what posters have said so you you just jump in and claim things with out checking first? Seriously?

Ststus quo is unsustsinable.

I do not see a one state solution as a means of preserving Israel's exhistence as a Jewish state with western values and standards of human rights and democratic principles. I dont see in the forseeable future how a one state solution would preserve Jewish rights and self determination so I do not support that.

Two state solution is looking increasingly untenable but it was what I supported.

I am open to a multi-state solution....whether it is caliphates or perhaps Gaza, part of the West Bank as states in conjunction with Israel, Egypt and Jordan oversight.

I am leaning more towards Israel annexing Area C, offering citizenship or permanent residency (individual's choice) and be done with it.

What I oppose absolutely is forced expulsions of peoples.

Does that clarify anything for you? You will find my posting history is consistent on those points.

It’s not forced expulsions. Those “people” aka Islamists who want Israel and all Jews wiped of the face of the planet. They need to be sent away to 50+ other Muslim nations. Otherwise we will have status quo. IMO.

How is "sending away" not forced expulsions?

Who exactly are "these people" and who has the right to forceably expel people from their homeland? You do realize that just because a country shares a religion that does not mean it shares a culture? To me, forceably expelling people, whether it Jews from Arab states or what some propose now is imo an absolute wrong.

During the civil war the confederacy killed every black prisoner who fought for the North. Abe Lincoln responded by stating he would kill every confederate prisoner until the confederacy stopped this practice. This was an evil action by a great man but it had to be done to prevent other evil actions. Eventually the confederacy agreed to stop killing black prisoners.

Palestinians are unhappy and their Govt is corrupt. Israel cannot help all the people in terms of giving them citizenship as it would eliminate the Jewish majority. Only answer is for other Muslim nations to take them in. IMO. You don’t like the answer but there is no other solution.

I disagree with your fundamental idea that there is no other solution. There are always other solutions.

Yeah. Israeli tanks wiping out Palestinians.

 

[Shusha]

The solution is not the forceable expulsion of people from their homeland.

Why not?

Seriously, legitimate question. Why is it preferable for a people to live in close proximity with people who believe they have no right to life, as opposed to separating them?

 

[Coyote]

The solution is not the forceable expulsion of people from their homeland.

Why not?

Seriously, legitimate question. Why is it preferable for a people to live in close proximity with people who believe they have no right to life, as opposed to separating them?

I explained before in another thread why not. People are tied to place very strongly. It is devastating to uproot them and move them unwilling to a strange places. Many never recover financially, they loss not just a home but an entire community. They are outsiders in the new place. As some one who’s own people have faced this I am surprised you find this acceptable.

Who would be forceable expelled and to where?

 

[Shusha]

People are tied to place very strongly. It is devastating to uproot them and move them unwilling to a strange places. Many never recover financially, they loss not just a home but an entire community. They are outsiders in the new place. As some one who’s own people have faced this I am surprised you find this acceptable.

Devastating compared to what? Life? Living with a population which believes you have no right to life?

Both the Jewish people and the Arab people were displaced. People have been displaced all over the world and through all times. People adapt. They can adapt. Far better to survive and adapt.


And I don't find it acceptable. I find it necessary. There is no way to make any of this "acceptable". One makes choices based on a hierarchy of needs.

 

[Coyote]

People are tied to place very strongly. It is devastating to uproot them and move them unwilling to a strange places. Many never recover financially, they loss not just a home but an entire community. They are outsiders in the new place. As some one who’s own people have faced this I am surprised you find this acceptable.

Devastating compared to what? Life? Living with a population which believes you have no right to life?

Both the Jewish people and the Arab people were displaced. People have been displaced all over the world and through all times. People adapt. They can adapt. Far better to survive and adapt.


And I don't find it acceptable. I find it necessary. There is no way to make any of this "acceptable". One makes choices based on a hierarchy of needs.

I seriously doubt most Palestinians believe Jews have no right to life. Do have anything to support that claim?

Most seem able to get along in West Bank and within Israel. Maybe if Israel annexes Area C and invests in its Arab communities with he same zeal as it does its Jewish community, the situation might improve without forced expulsions.

What makes you think people can adapt and do just fine? Some. Some don’t. On the don’t side look at the standard of living on reservations in the US, and what an entire people lost for generations. Or look at the Soviet’s forced relocations of various ethnic groups into areas they were ill suited for and without their ties and communities. Sure. They did just fine.


Exactly what do you mean by hierarchy of needs and how would that play out?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The solution is not the forceable expulsion of people from their homeland.

Why not?

Seriously, legitimate question. Why is it preferable for a people to live in close proximity with people who believe they have no right to life, as opposed to separating them?

I explained before in another thread why not. People are tied to place very strongly. It is devastating to uproot them and move them unwilling to a strange places. Many never recover financially, they loss not just a home but an entire community. They are outsiders in the new place. As some one who’s own people have faced this I am surprised you find this acceptable.

Who would be forceable expelled and to where?

yeah, right.

It's not like genocide ever devastated anybody and so promising another one is no skin off your teeth, is it?

 

[Shusha]

Maybe if Israel annexes Area C and invests in its Arab communities with he same zeal as it does its Jewish community, the situation might improve without forced expulsions.

The "situation" will improve for whom? For the Arab Palestinians who will be able to avail themselves to full Israeli civil law while continuing their "right" to "resist"?!

I am NOT suggesting that forced expulsion is the go-to move here. I'm suggesting, in light of the fact that its been a hundred years and Arabs are still intent on killing Jews, and getting financial support from the government for killing Jews, there may not be a better solution than to separate the combatants. In the end, it might be the far more humane thing to do.

 

[Coyote]

I have continuously defended their right to defend themselves. Go find some one else to troll.

You are trying to make a case where he and his people are bigots for misstrusting those who want their genocide and you call HIM the troll?

Exactly and Coyote has continuously stated that Jews don’t need a homeland of their own because not every religion/culture has one while ignoring that there are 53+ mostly Muslim countries where Jews are most NOT welcome. Meanwhile Muslims are welcome in Israel and have a better life there, especially the women than in any mostly Muslim country. I am guessing Coyote is either Muslim or a Leftist.

In other posts, she has repeated the antisemitic canard that you folks are just Europeans

It makes the hatred easier that way.

Yes I don’t know what her dog in the fight is? Islamist or Lefitst? Thank you for pointing out what I noticed immediately.

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

 

[Coyote]

Maybe if Israel annexes Area C and invests in its Arab communities with he same zeal as it does its Jewish community, the situation might improve without forced expulsions.

The "situation" will improve for whom? For the Arab Palestinians who will be able to avail themselves to full Israeli civil law while continuing their "right" to "resist"?!

I am NOT suggesting that forced expulsion is the go-to move here. I'm suggesting, in light of the fact that its been a hundred years and Arabs are still intent on killing Jews, and getting financial support from the government for killing Jews, there may not be a better solution than to separate the combatants. In the end, it might be the far more humane thing to do.

And how would you do it? Who would you expel and where would they go?

 

[Coyote]

Exactly and Coyote has continuously stated that Jews don’t need a homeland of their own because not every religion/culture has one while ignoring that there are 53+ mostly Muslim countries where Jews are most NOT welcome. Meanwhile Muslims are welcome in Israel and have a better life there, especially the women than in any mostly Muslim country. I am guessing Coyote is either Muslim or a Leftist.

In other posts, she has repeated the antisemitic canard that you folks are just Europeans

It makes the hatred easier that way.

Yes I don’t know what her dog in the fight is? Islamist or Lefitst? Thank you for pointing out what I noticed immediately.

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

I agree with Shusha, true.

Did you expect me to agree with pieces of pure evil such as yourself who make excuses for supporting genocide like you just did?

I’ve never supported genocide, try again.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

In other posts, she has repeated the antisemitic canard that you folks are just Europeans

It makes the hatred easier that way.

Yes I don’t know what her dog in the fight is? Islamist or Lefitst? Thank you for pointing out what I noticed immediately.

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

I agree with Shusha, true.

Did you expect me to agree with pieces of pure evil such as yourself who make excuses for supporting genocide like you just did?

I’ve never supported genocide, try again.

You just made idiotic excuses for those who voted for a genocidal organization.

...….Therefore, you just did.

 

[Coyote]

Yes I don’t know what her dog in the fight is? Islamist or Lefitst? Thank you for pointing out what I noticed immediately.

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

I agree with Shusha, true.

Did you expect me to agree with pieces of pure evil such as yourself who make excuses for supporting genocide like you just did?

I’ve never supported genocide, try again.

You just made idiotic excuses for those who voted for a genocidal organization.

...….Therefore, you just did.

You ought to do a little bit of research. Use your Stanford education. Like most elections, the politics of winning and losing are more complex then you seem capable of understanding.


Why Hamas: The Socioeconomic and Political Foundations of the Islamists’ Popularity

 

[Dogmaphobe]

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

I agree with Shusha, true.

Did you expect me to agree with pieces of pure evil such as yourself who make excuses for supporting genocide like you just did?

I’ve never supported genocide, try again.

You just made idiotic excuses for those who voted for a genocidal organization.

...….Therefore, you just did.

You ought to do a little bit of research. Use your Stanford education. Like most elections, the politics of winning and losing are more complex then you seem capable of understanding.


Why Hamas: The Socioeconomic and Political Foundations of the Islamists’ Popularity

I know you support Hamas.You didn't have to tell me.

The Palestinians voted for Hamas knowing that Hamas supports Genocide. You defend them for the same reason.

 

[Indeependent]

You are trying to make a case where he and his people are bigots for misstrusting those who want their genocide and you call HIM the troll?

Exactly and Coyote has continuously stated that Jews don’t need a homeland of their own because not every religion/culture has one while ignoring that there are 53+ mostly Muslim countries where Jews are most NOT welcome. Meanwhile Muslims are welcome in Israel and have a better life there, especially the women than in any mostly Muslim country. I am guessing Coyote is either Muslim or a Leftist.

In other posts, she has repeated the antisemitic canard that you folks are just Europeans

It makes the hatred easier that way.

Yes I don’t know what her dog in the fight is? Islamist or Lefitst? Thank you for pointing out what I noticed immediately.

She serves Islam in either case.

Arab Palestinians elect a government that vows genocide in their very charter but she will never criticize that because her very purpose is to deceive . this thread is nothing but a dishonest attempt to paint Jews as the bigots rather than the genocidal Muslims.

So you agree with this Shusha

I have certainly criticized the Palestinian side and leadership and I believe in the rights of all people to their faith...unlike those who attempt to define a world religion as a political cult.

Arab Palestinians elected a Hamas largely because they were sick of the corruption and incompetence of the incumbents. And there hasn’t been an election since.

Your criticism of Arab terrorism must be incredibly subtle as I’ve never noticed it.