New Poll: Democrats prefer socialism over capitalism

[Brain357]

Who lobbied with the government to cause the crisis?

No one lobbied the government to cause the crisis. Private non bank brokers wrote loans that were repackaged into underregulated financial instruments. The weight of which caused a crisis in the shadow banking system. The system froze.

Banks didn’t lobby to repeal glass steagal?

How did the absence of glass Steagall cause the financial meltdown?

Besides that, how can you argue for free markets and then claim the lack of regulations was the problem?

Do you think the banks had lobbied and knew they would get a bailout?

I don't think the banks crashed the economy on purpose with the foreknowledge that they would get bailed out.
I also don't think the banks needed to lobby, I think the government didn't have much of a choice in the matter. The market was frozen.

I understand that the ruling class owns our government, it's been like that forever. You don't need a pet name for it to excuse the failures of the capitalist system. If government didn't exist, capitalists would still collude in an effort to dominate the market, which is essentially what they did in the lead up to the financial crisis of '08.

I think you take much bigger risks if you know you will be bailed out.

 

[Mac1958]

Democratic socialism. Yes, that may be the case.

Canada/Germany/Australia, not Venezuela, obviously.

But I'm sure we all know that.
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None of those countries are currently socialist. East Germany was socialist for a while during the cold war.

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
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Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
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[Mac1958]

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
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Venezuela is not a socialist country. Half of their economy is privately owned.

Then the word means nothing, yet I keep hearing people screaming it.
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That doesn't mean you have to listen to the idiots.

Well, most of the GOP is screaming it, so it's difficult to avoid.

I don't take partisans seriously, but the word (and/or the even better "Marxism") gets crammed into damn near every conversation.
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You're right. The republicans do a horrible job of marketing what they want to sell. It's one reason Trump got elected. He's not good at much, but he's good at marketing himself, and by extension, the stuff he wants to do.

Republicans just assume people know what socialism is, or what they want it to mean, without actually explaining it or explaining it as they understand it. If they would just say "hey, would you work as hard if you knew that you wouldn't see any benefits in your paycheck? Because that's what people ask themselves when a given space is socialized, leading to everyone thinking that someone else will do it." Something more real-world to explain it when the other side is selling a rosy picture of it is required for it to move the needle.

It's one of two things: They really don't understand the difference between actual socialism and democratic socialism, or they don't want to recognize it because doing so would weaken their argument. I can't tell yet what it is.

Listen to talk radio. They make zero distinction. Anything that they decide is "socialist" means that anyone who supports it wants to turn us into Venezuela/Cuba tomorrow. That's the only comparison they make. That's it, period.

That kind of binary thinking is always difficult to pierce.
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[ptbw forever]

Democratic socialism. Yes, that may be the case.

Canada/Germany/Australia, not Venezuela, obviously.

But I'm sure we all know that.
.

None of those countries are currently socialist. East Germany was socialist for a while during the cold war.

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
.

Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
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If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

 

[Mac1958]

Democratic socialism. Yes, that may be the case.

Canada/Germany/Australia, not Venezuela, obviously.

But I'm sure we all know that.
.

None of those countries are currently socialist. East Germany was socialist for a while during the cold war.

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
.

Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
.

If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

Okie dokie!
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[ptbw forever]

None of those countries are currently socialist. East Germany was socialist for a while during the cold war.

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
.

Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
.

If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

Okie dokie!
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I am trying to educate you, but you insist with your total ignorance.

Canada has Antifa brown shirts that force the “far right” to comply with the status quo and if a “far right” politician insists on changing the status quo anyway they will either be arrested on hate crimes or accused of denying the citizenry a public right.

The only difference between the US and Canada is the fact that we are not as socialist as they are, but we still have brown shirts protected by the Democrats and various appointed judges who attack anyone they deem as outside the mainstream or just the slightest bit uppity.

There is nothing “Democratic”, therefore there is no “democratic socialism”

 

[blackhawk]

 

[Mac1958]

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
.

Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
.

If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

Okie dokie!
.

I am trying to educate you, but you insist with your total ignorance.

Canada has Antifa brown shirts that force the “far right” to comply with the status quo and if a “far right” politician insists on changing the status quo anyway they will either be arrested on hate crimes or accused of denying the citizenry a public right.

The only difference between the US and Canada is the fact that we are not as socialist as they are, but we still have brown shirts protected by the Democrats and various appointed judges who attack anyone they deem as outside the mainstream or just the slightest bit uppity.

There is nothing “Democratic”, therefore there is no “democratic socialism”

Okay, so, "brown shirt" stuff aside, you do recognize that Canada is to the Left of us, but not socialist to the degree that Venezuela is.

That this stuff exists on a continuum.

Is that fair?
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[ptbw forever]

Except that people in power who object to and attempt to change “democratic socialism” are still thrown in jail.

Which means there is actually no difference.

Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
.

If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

Okie dokie!
.

I am trying to educate you, but you insist with your total ignorance.

Canada has Antifa brown shirts that force the “far right” to comply with the status quo and if a “far right” politician insists on changing the status quo anyway they will either be arrested on hate crimes or accused of denying the citizenry a public right.

The only difference between the US and Canada is the fact that we are not as socialist as they are, but we still have brown shirts protected by the Democrats and various appointed judges who attack anyone they deem as outside the mainstream or just the slightest bit uppity.

There is nothing “Democratic”, therefore there is no “democratic socialism”

Okay, so, "brown shirt" stuff aside, you do recognize that Canada is to the Left of us, but not socialist to the degree that Venezuela is.

That this stuff exists on a continuum.

Is that fair?
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Canada is socialist. The only difference between Canada and Venezuela is the IQ differential which keeps Canada sort of stable.

The “continuum” isn’t as wide as you believe it is.

 

[Mac1958]

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Well, if you really don't see a difference between Canada and Venezuela, there's not much I can say.
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If a Canadian seeks to change “democratic” socialism they will be either physically attacked with state approval, or they will be literally tried.

If you can’t see how that is literal socialism, there is not much I can say.

Okie dokie!
.

I am trying to educate you, but you insist with your total ignorance.

Canada has Antifa brown shirts that force the “far right” to comply with the status quo and if a “far right” politician insists on changing the status quo anyway they will either be arrested on hate crimes or accused of denying the citizenry a public right.

The only difference between the US and Canada is the fact that we are not as socialist as they are, but we still have brown shirts protected by the Democrats and various appointed judges who attack anyone they deem as outside the mainstream or just the slightest bit uppity.

There is nothing “Democratic”, therefore there is no “democratic socialism”

Okay, so, "brown shirt" stuff aside, you do recognize that Canada is to the Left of us, but not socialist to the degree that Venezuela is.

That this stuff exists on a continuum.

Is that fair?
.

Canada is socialist. The only difference between Canada and Venezuela is the IQ differential which keeps Canada sort of stable.

The “continuum” isn’t as wide as you believe it is.

Okay, I'll run with that.
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[francoHFW]

Democrats prefer an illusory, made-up version of "Socialism" over the illusion of Capitalism that they were spoon-fed in school.

They want to live in "Denmark," a country where everyone has cradle-to-grave security, healthcare, income, and bliss, all paid for by "someone else."

The lack of understanding and recognition of reality in this fantasy is astounding. How much new technology is created in Socialist countries? Why were the Chinese and the Russians constantly trying to steal our technology, rather than creating their own? What was standing in their way?

Why were they driving Yugos and Trabants?

How can they be ignorant of the two massive "test cases" for Socialism that existed in many of our own lifetimes, namely, East Germany/West Germany, and North Korea/South Korea? In each case, one was a shit-hole economic basket case, while the other has been a dynamic success, with the QUALITY OF LIFE in the "Capitalist" countries far surpassing that of its socialist brother.

You gotta be a fukkin' idiot not to see it.

Oh. I guess that's why Democrats are so enamored with "socialism."

The Soviet Union red China North Korea Etc Etc are communist, not socialist, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[g5000]

Gallup: Dems more positive about socialism than capitalism

Trump has ignited a political revolution...by his enemies!

Trumpies support socialism far more than they realize.

 

[candycorn]

Democratic socialism. Yes, that may be the case.

Canada/Germany/Australia, not Venezuela, obviously.

But I'm sure we all know that.
.

None of those countries are currently socialist. East Germany was socialist for a while during the cold war.

Agreed. They're social democracies, democratic socialism.

As compared to the actual socialism of Venezuela.
.

Venezuela is not a socialist country. Half of their economy is privately owned.

Then the word means nothing, yet I keep hearing people screaming it.
.

In a thread about the high numbers of blonde reporters/guests on Fox….

What's wrong with hot, blonde and Conservative? It beats not hot, not blonde and Socialist.