new phase of armored war in Ukraine?

[Dayton3]

Guided missiles tend to have to be small and light, so are not blowing up tanks really, but just drilling a tiny hole with a shaped charge.
If the inside of the T-72 was not strewn with bags of explosive propellant, then these missiles would have had no effect on them.
The crew in battle Kevlar were not killed by Javelin penetration, but secondary explosions from their own internal munitions storage blowing up.

You know that is a common problem with all modern Russian(Soviet) tanks don't you?

 

[AZrailwhale]

The British won the war yet the British never gained overwhelming air superiority (mainly due to the distances involved.

The Brits never gained air superiority because they had no AEW and were flying Harriers against Mirages, Skyhawks and Super Entendards, all of which outperformed the Sea Harriers. The only reason they did as well as they did was the US pulled advanced AIM 9 Sidewinders from US war stocks and gave them to the Brits to replace their earlier, lower performing AIM 9s. If I remember correctly, the Brit sidewinders were only rear aspect capable. Meaning that to track they had to be fired from astern of the target.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Guided missiles tend to have to be small and light, so are not blowing up tanks really, but just drilling a tiny hole with a shaped charge.
If the inside of the T-72 was not strewn with bags of explosive propellant, then these missiles would have had no effect on them.
The crew in battle Kevlar were not killed by Javelin penetration, but secondary explosions from their own internal munitions storage blowing up.

T-72s don’t use “bagged” propellant. Like the M-1 and the Leo II they use semi-combustible propellant cases. And HEAT rounds spray molten copper all over the inside of the target setting everything combustible on fire including crew members. T-72s ALWAYS have a propellant case sitting on the auto-loader and that’s why they tend to pop their tops or roman candle when hit. M-1s keep their rounds behind fire and blast-proof doors.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Just like with Javelin and Stinger missiles, it was not Ukrainians using them, but NATO forces in disguise.
It will be the same with the Leopard tanks.
They will have "volunteer" NATO crews.

You are a liar again.

It was Ukrainians using them

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Leopard was facing only Taliban infantry in Afghanistan, so then did terrible to have any losses at all
If facing any modern force with airpower and missiles, they would be a totally loss.

The Ukrainians actually did not learn how to use "PzH2000's and Caesar's and HIMARS/M270" at all, and those were all manned by "volunteer" NATO troops.

If the US were to "transfer" any M1A1s to the Ukraine, that would trigger the launching of nukes, not at the tanks, but the US.

They were not manned by NATO troops

 

[DudleySmith]

They're using only 10 Himars, and rolled the Putinistas back; accurate fire is a lot more effective than the Russian old WW II tactics.

 

[DudleySmith]

It’s almost as if we’re fighting a proxy war

Which means you and the other Jane Fonda fans can stay home and hide under your beds.

 

[DudleySmith]

People think tank crews can easily switch from operating one country's tank to operating another country's tank.
Kinda like driving a Chevy car and then switching to driving a Ford car.
That's a big No way Jose.
Almost all of the Ukrainian tanks are Russian tanks.
So any tanks provided the U.S. and the EU / NATO that were manufactured in their country are going to require a lot of training to operate effectively.
And since every country's tanks are different, the logistics for repair parts and ammo is going to be a nightmare.

It doesn't take much skill or experience to beat Russians; we've already seen that fact play out. Russians are used to running over unarmed peasants and raping the survivors.

 

[AlexanderPK]

It doesn't take much skill or experience to beat Russians; we've already seen that fact play out. Russians are used to running over unarmed peasants and raping the survivors.

What do you think they give them Viagra for?

 

[Mac-7]

It is being reported by Crux that Russia is sending T-14s into Ukraine and Germany and Denmark may supply Ukrainian army with Leopard 2. Two of the best tanks today. But the Russians already know how to use theirs. How much training will Ukrainian crews need to master the Leopard 2? So it is hard to predict who wins.

I have mot followed armor

But something very interesting is us increased use of drones on both sides

And russia seems to be relying on iran for theirs

 

[Sunni Man]

It doesn't take much skill or experience to beat Russians; we've already seen that fact play out. Russians are used to running over unarmed peasants and raping the survivors.

You seriously need to stop watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and seek out a 3rd party independent news source that tells the truth of what's really happening with the Ukraine / Russia conflict.

 

[Dayton3]

You seriously need to stop watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and seek out a 3rd party independent news source that tells the truth of what's really happening with the Ukraine / Russia conflict.

Like what? Al Jazeera?

 

[Sunni Man]

Like what? Al Jazeera?

I've never been a fan of Al Jazeera and don't ever watch it.
Personally, I like to watch these Youtube daily podcasts about the Ukraine / Russia conflict and related geopolitical topics.
Col. Douglas MacGregor
The New Atlas
The Duran
Redacted

 

[badger2]

I've never been a fan of Al Jazeera and don't ever watch it.
Personally, I like to watch these Youtube daily podcasts about the Ukraine / Russia conflict and related geopolitical topics.
Col. Douglas MacGregor
The New Atlas
The Duran
Redacted

Yes, and Gonzalo Lira's (Duran) Twitter account has been suspended for the second time. Try this:

https://twitter.com/200_zoka

 

[badger2]

Another:

https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps

 

[DudleySmith]

You seriously need to stop watching CNN, MSNBC, ABC, and seek out a 3rd party independent news source that tells the truth of what's really happening with the Ukraine / Russia conflict.

You need to study some real history and learn what Russian mobs are really like.

 

[AlexanderPK]

You need to study some real history and learn what Russian mobs are really like.

How many Russians did Stalin kill according to this real history?
There's a Ukrainian guy from Zelensky's inner circle, Arestovych, who said once how they shot 18 of the 15 Russian camikazi drones during a raid. Must have been reading the same real history books.

 

[badger2]

How many Russians did Stalin kill according to this real history?
There's a Ukrainian guy from Zelensky's inner circle, Arestovych, who said once how they shot 18 of the 15 Russian camikazi drones during a raid. Must have been reading the same real history books.

Arestovych tries to be everywhere in Ukraine there's a photo-op: Bucha, Donbas, etc.

 

[DudleySmith]

How many Russians did Stalin kill according to this real history?
There's a Ukrainian guy from Zelensky's inner circle, Arestovych, who said once how they shot 18 of the 15 Russian camikazi drones during a raid. Must have been reading the same real history books.

Cuz we all take your BS seriously.

 

[beagle9]

Which means you and the other Jane Fonda fans can stay home and hide under your beds.

Why would you talk to Frank like that ? He's not a leftist.