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My post may have been wordy but I noticed you wouldn't answer it. I identified the items nor found on the short form, such as hospital name and address, parents' occupation, etc.... why would Obama risk forging such a document when the Constitutionally relevant details, place and date of birth, were already proven to be factual? That makes no sense at all. Although to be fair, no one's ever actually accused a birther of making sense, so why start now?You sure spent a lot of words adding nothing to your case. I KNOW the certification of live birth is authentic. DUH! It was issued to Obama’s mother because she was from Hawaii and they do that even if the child is born overseas. That document is not worth much of anything.Again .... WND, your source, determined Obama's certification of live birth is "authentic." They corroborated factcheck.org's determination that it is "real."Guess what, download the linked pdf and open it in acrobat professional and show layers and you will find everything she claims makes Obama's BC a forgery in HER pdf, therefore HER pdf is a forgery by her own "logic."The State of Hawaii affirmed that the information on its accurate and matches their original records. Twice.
So a 100% accurate forgery? That's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard. And anyone fronting such idiocy should be treated like an idiot.
POSTSCRIPT:
And since you want to leave no stone unturned… go ask your Hawaiian official to respond to all of the incongruities contained in this one expert’s analysis report of the long birth certificate.
http://www.wnd.com/files/Obama_LFBC_Report_final_draft.pdf
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Guess what? I do not follow you, and I am not sure you even do.
If you read the report that Ms. Zebest assembled you will have noted there is many other incongruities very specifically spelled out and illustrated that has nothing to do with layers.
I guess they are just left as unexplainable, right? Surely nothing one might uncover on a forgery.
And Obama's forged birth certificate is merely that last piece of his conundrum. The suspicions and inexplicables go back long before his campaign days. Hey, don't lose any sleep over it, because now it is just a novelty discussion. Because EVERYBODY knows birfers are like nutty. I am glad it brings a smile upon your face.
If you compare the information on the two documents, you find the following appear on both (highlighted details being relevant towards Constitutional eligibility):
- Certificate number
- Obama's full name
- Date & time of birth
- Gender
- Location of birth
- Mother's maiden name and race
- Father's name and race
- State the certificate was filed
- Date the certificate was filed
Since all of that data was determined to be authentic by WND, your source, then it's safe to say those same details are authentic on the long form. Not saying that makes the long form authentic, just that the information on both documents is deemed authentic.
Now then, looking at the long form, we find the following additional information not found on the short form:
- Single, twin, or triplet birth
- Name and address of the hospital
- If the birth was inside city limits
- Mother's place of birth
- Mother's occupation
- Mother's age
- If his mother lived on a farm or plantation
- Mother's signature and date signed
- Father's place of birth
- Father's occupation
- Father's age
- Attendant's signature and date signed
- Local Registrar's signature
Now given the details needed to confirm Constitutional eligibility are found on both forms and those details were confirmed as "authentic" by your source, WND's investigation and forgery experts -- what the fuck do you see on the latter list that was sooo important, that Obama would risk everything by faking a long form birth certificate, which contained only trivial details not found on the short form? And which of the details found in the above latter list to you contend is not factual?
Did you know Obama up until 2004 kept saying he was born at Queens Medical Center in Honolulu? Did you know he changed his story after that and now says he was born in Kapi’olani Medical Center? Even his own sister in two separate interviews state that he was born at two different hospitals– Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital–in Honolulu. Even Snopes has scrubbed off some its “facts” changing hospitals a few years back, what have you.
Did you know according to Obama’s Kenyan (paternal) grandmother, as well as his half-brother and half-sister, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Kenya, not in Hawaii as the Democratic candidate for president claims. His grandmother bragged that her grandson is about to be President of the United States and is so proud because she was present during his birth in Kenya, in the delivery room.
Did you know the governor of Hawaii wanted to put this story to bed and went to both hospitals to find evidence of Obama’s birth certificate? Mike Evans, Hollywood Reporter, spoke to Hawaiian governor Neil Abercrombie after the governor’s failed search for Obama’s birth certificate or proof of him being born in Hawaii. Mr. Evans said that the governor told him they could not locate any evidence for it at any hospital, etc., and that it probably does not exist at this time.
Did you know former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.
My basic assumption is that he wasn’t born there,” Adams said.“Certifications of Live Birth were given to people who were born at home, or to people who were born overseas and whose parents brought them back to the islands. If his parents were U.S. citizens, or if one parent was a U.S. citizen, as was the case with Obama, the family would apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate when the parents came back from overseas. That’s normally how you would have gotten on [a Certification of Live Birth] in the 1960s.”
Did you know the State of Hawaii permits parents to obtain a “birth certificate,” EVEN IF THE CHILD WAS NOT BORN IN HAWAII. Below is the relevant statute:
"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
WND has documented that the address reported in the birth announcements published in the Hawaii newspapers at the time, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, was the address where the grandparents lived. Obviously, it was to Obama’s advantage to be considered a U.S. citizen than a Kenyan for many reasons. The birth announcements put in the paper by the grand parents or by the mother assists in the claim.
Did you know I could produce at least 20 other pieces of evidence that strongly point to this man and his birth claims as a total fraud? And I can give you the links! Do you know how many articles from various years as far back as Barack’s college days and runs for senator refer to him as born in Kenya? Do you care?
Are you so naïve not to understand that matters as important as the presidency of the USA that clandestine operations are undertaken in order not to place someone in jeopardy or to eliminate others? You think there are not subversive forces or very dominant corporate powers influencing elections or events? Barack is a puppet. He is a stooge who has the most secretive covered up past in so many different ways. But he has released a birth certificate 2 ½ years later! And that could never be a forgery even if experts say that is exactly what it is.
As far as your nonsense about Queen's hospital, as far as I"m aware, Obama has never said he was born there.
His grandmother never said he was born in Kenya. A translator mistakenly thought she did and when he asked her to clarify, she said he was born on Hawaii.
The implication that he was born overseas but could have qualified for a Hawaiian birth certificate is dismissed because such a birth certificate still records the actual place of birth. Obama's records Honolulu.
But at least you agree that Obama proved he was born in Hawaii. That's a start. Who knows why you think he would then risk everything by forging a form just to show the hospital name and his parents' occupation??