New: CBP Shoots and Kills Man in MN

[protectionist]

Watch tne video. I don’t know what’s going on in Minnesota but ICE was not in the right on this one.

How ?

 

[dblack]

The agent in the green shirt fired once, stalled, then fired 3 more rounds.
I've been watching a lot of video's about this, and they all end after the 4th shot.
So what you're saying, is why I could've sworn there were more shots. But was focusing on what led up to the first shooting.

That's insane that so many others kept shooting.

When you watch this video, it's insane why the agent even shot the first round.

You can skip to the 7:15 mark. Notice what green shirt (the shooting agent) is looking at, and is in plain sight of gray coats hand on his gun. And even after the gun has been retrieved, he's still looking at the empty holster.

In my view, the initial "break" happened with the agent who started shoving the women. He (or she) lost it and started physically attacking the protestors. Then went apeshit with the bear spray. But clearly they were all pretty trigger happy. That's what happens when you give someone a gun and zero accountability.

 

[Couchpotato]

FALSE!
He was INTERFERING with ICE (a felony-US Code18-111) by grabbing on to that woman, and as such, he was being arrested (not assaulted) by ICE.
ICE had no way of knowing if they guy had another gun or not, and just because someone is on the ground face down, that doesn't mean he couldn't pull out another gun and fire it.
Cops are taught to shoot suspects merely because of their hand(s) disappearing from view.

See how things can clear up when you aren't in the bubble of leftwing "news" propaganda ?

Trying to defend this is a losing battle.

 

[protectionist]

Trying to defend this is a losing battle.

Your post would have more power if you stated WHY.

 

[struth]

FALSE!
He was INTERFERING with ICE (a felony-US Code18-111) by grabbing on to that woman, and as such, he was being arrested (not assaulted) by ICE.
ICE had no way of knowing if they guy had another gun or not, and just because someone is on the ground face down, that doesn't mean he couldn't pull out another gun and fire it.
Cops are taught to shoot suspects merely because of their hand(s) disappearing from view.

See how things can clear up when you aren't in the bubble of leftwing "news" propaganda ?

Dembots think that you can strap yourself with a 9 and forty rounds and jump in the middle of police arresting someone and not have any consequences…it tells you just how radical their party has become and believes they are above the law

This sort of paramilitary, Superman concept was what the National socialist promoted before they took power as well

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

If you want to argue that police should never be allowed to use lethal force, that’s another discussion…one that I think any reasonable person would disagree with

Of course, deadly force is necessary sometimes, but police can't kill people because of the appearance of the slightest of threats.

 

[protectionist]

Dembots think that you can strap yourself with a 9 and forty rounds and jump in the middle of police arresting someone and not have any consequences…it tells you just how radical their party has become and believes they are above the law

This sort of paramilitary, Superman concept was what the National socialist promoted before they took power as well

It is time to alter the name of the party > the Democrazies.

 

[protectionist]

Of course, deadly force is necessary sometimes, but police can't kill people because of the appearance of the slightest of threats.

Are you aware that dozens of cops have been acquitted in court after shooting someone to death, merely because that person's hand disappeared from the cop's view ? I can name names if you like.

Not only has this been upheld in court, but it is taught to police recruits in every police academy in America/ If the hand disappears, SHOOT (numerous times)

There is a huge gap between standard police practice, and the public's knowledge of it.

 

[struth]

Of course, deadly force is necessary sometimes, but police can't kill people because of the appearance of the slightest of threats.

Police can use force, deadly force, if needed the controlling law is Graham v Conner

 

[YoursTruly]

In my view, the initial "break" happened with the agent who started shoving the women. He (or she) lost it and start physically attacking the protestors. Then went apeshit with the bear spray. But clearly they were all pretty trigger happy. That's what happens when you give someone a gun and zero accountability.

Those two woman in approached the agent on the other side of the road, pissed him off. I blame them for getting the agent involved.
Once he started following them, they ran over to Pretti, which got Pretti involved.

Once the pepper spray was deployed, that should've been the end of it. But by then, the agent had lost his cool.

These protestors have lost their damn minds. And the agents are getting fed up.

Have you noticed that only ones getting killed are those that are in or around these raids, creating all this chaos?
And they still show up to protest.

I hear Trump is going to de escalate the situation and reduce ICE and BP in Minnesota. Some will say he's caving to the left. And maybe he is. But it's still a good call. This one agent has created a lot of trouble. And it didn't help that the DoJ is protecting him. (and the others)

 

[YoursTruly]

Dembots think that you can strap yourself with a 9 and forty rounds and jump in the middle of police arresting someone and not have any consequences…it tells you just how radical their party has become and believes they are above the law

This sort of paramilitary, Superman concept was what the National socialist promoted before they took power as well

Except he didn't jump into the middle of anything. He kept his distance. It was those two women who brought the agents back over to Pretti's side of the road.

Why TF do men get the blame for some BS that women started?

 

[kyzr]

Of course, deadly force is necessary sometimes, but police can't kill people because of the appearance of the slightest of threats.

True, the use of deadly force requires significant justification.
(I'm wondering why the Biden admin wanted to hire 87,000 IRS agents "willing to use deadly force"?)
Tom Homan will get his troops back on track.
I think the constant interfering and attacks by radical leftists left the Feds short of patience, and tempers flared.
If Walz and Frey would have cooperated instead of promoting incitement and resistance, no one would have died.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If Walz and Frey would have cooperated instead of promoting incitement and resistance, no one would have died.

Absolutely correct.

 

[protectionist]

True, the use of deadly force requires significant justification.
(I'm wondering why the Biden admin wanted to hire 87,000 IRS agents "willing to use deadly force"?)
Tom Homan will get his troops back on track.
I think the constant interfering and attacks by radical leftists left the Feds short of patience, and tempers flared.
If Walz and Frey would have cooperated instead of promoting incitement and resistance, no one would have died.

What in the world are Walz & Frey doing walking around free, outside of a federal prison ?
What is wrong with Pam Bondi ? She should have had these dirtbags locked up years ago. Same with Wu, Bass, Newsome, Pritzker, Johnson and all these other sanctuary bacteria.

 

[dblack]

Those two woman in approached the agent on the other side of the road, pissed him off. I blame them for getting the agent involved.
Once he started following them, they ran over to Pretti, which got Pretti involved.

Once the pepper spray was deployed, that should've been the end of it. But by then, the agent had lost his cool.

These protestors have lost their damn minds. And the agents are getting fed up.

Have you noticed that only ones getting killed are those that are in or around these raids, creating all this chaos?
And they still show up to protest.

For sure. There's lots of blame, and general stupidity, to go around. I'm radically opposed to Trump's "police state theater, and think his asinine "leadership" is the primary cause. But I'd agree that the people making a racket and creating chaos contributed. As well as the Dem's encouragement of these kinds of confrontations.

I hear Trump is going to de escalate the situation and reduce ICE and BP in Minnesota. Some will say he's caving to the left. And maybe he is. But it's still a good call. This one agent has created a lot of trouble. And it didn't help that the DoJ is protecting him. (and the others)

Yeah - and I really hope Dems shut the **** up with the "taco" stuff. If Trump backs down - that's a good thing. Don't taunt him for it.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Are you aware that dozens of cops have been acquitted in court after shooting someone to death, merely because that person's hand disappeared from the cop's view ? I can name names if you like.

Not only has this been upheld in court, but it is taught to police recruits in every police academy in America/ If the hand disappears, SHOOT (numerous times)

There is a huge gap between standard police practice, and the public's knowledge of it.

That is exactly what I am talking about. Someone's hands or hand are not always going to be in view which is the nature of the beast, but for this slightest of circumstances, police kill them. That is disastrously wrong. If police cannot endure the slightest amount of risk, they should not be police.

 

[dblack]

Why TF do men get the blame for some BS that women started?

A tale as old as time ...

 

[YoursTruly]

He was INTERFERING with ICE (a felony-US Code18-111) by grabbing on to that woman, and as such, he was being arrested (not assaulted) by ICE.
ICE had no way of knowing if they guy had another gun or not, and just because someone is on the ground face down, that doesn't mean he couldn't pull out another gun and fire it.
Cops are taught to shoot suspects merely because of their hand(s) disappearing from view.

See how things can clear up when you aren't in the bubble of leftwing "news" propaganda ?

FALSE!

Initially, BP (not ICE) wasn't trying to arrest the woman that was pushed. Or the one hiding behind Pretti.

And it is important to note that the agents that had Pretti on the ground didn't know he was armed at first. They didn't know until after he was down and his shirt came up. At which point, the agent in the gray jacket put hands on the gun (while Pretti's hand were still by his face.)

Read my post #2813. second by second account.
and/or this unbias video.

 

[YoursTruly]

Police can use force, deadly force, if needed the controlling law is Graham v Conner

They can't use deadly force if there's no justification for doing so. In this case, there was no justification.

The fact that Pretti was armed, is irrelevant because he never went for his gun. And was shot after he was disarmed.
In fact the moment anyone knew he was armed, he was quickly disarmed. The agent that shot first, saw the other agent retrieve his weapon.

 

[Mack The Finger]

Here's an unbias one that has slowed down important parts of the video. From a miliary veteran.

Doesn't look good for the GOV.

But the announcer forgot to mention the victim could have been going for a agents weapon. If not I would call it 2nd degree murder but who am I...just a yammer.