Need A Belief System Be Rational???

[pknopp]

Really? Frankly, we'd pick apart any of the 339,999,998 other people just as bad. Maybe worse.

Odd, you said you admit Romney is fairly rational.

Which is why most of them don't run. Who would want to inflict that kind of misery on themselves AND their families?

Look, man, I know you are upset that Commie Bernie didn't get the nod and people would start thinking Socialism is a good idea despite a century of evidence to the contrary.

"Commie Bernie", see there is nothing rational about that.

 

[Anomalism]

One Year ago...
A plague that had claimed 400,000 lives with no end in sight.
65 million jobs lost
165,000 businesses closed
Riots in the streets
Angry mobs attacking Congress.

Um, yeah, we are better off.

You're all crazy.

 

[rightwinger]

330 million people and we pick Hillary and Trump. There was nothing rational about that.

Who should have been picked?

 

[mudwhistle]

And, if so, how do 'rational' and 'high body count' fit together????



1.It seems ‘rational’ for a system of belief be just that, based on reason and logic. It just seems that that relationship should be a part of the human condition. After all, we are known scientifically as Homo sapiens…..which translates to ‘man the wise.’

Of course it should go without saying that the above pertains to adults, not children. It’s just that we run into a problem in contemporary America in that the dominant political party infantilizes its adherents. Imagine actual adults believing that their party will take care of them from cradle to grave, and they have nothing to give up….well, except for freedom, liberty and the right to make their own decisions.
And.....when obedience is the coin of the realm......how to accomplish one's own survival?
This is where ‘rational’ comes in.





2. But today, a most specific consideration of rational, as it pertains to religion. That dominant political party goes far out of its way to ridicule, marginalize, and de-legitimize religion. And by religion, I don’t mean the ersatz version substituted by the Left, the worship of man himself, and the collectivization of man, what we call government. This faux religion, Militant Secularism, projects its desire to be considered a real religion by draping itself in a number of religious trappings.

For example, they refer to their candidates as god, Jesus or the messiah. They kneel as one might in church..

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3. From the perspective of history, the religion of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith, was the reason for the success of Western Civilization, while the ‘religion’ of the Left gave us the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, all of which resulted in piles of bodies.
See where ‘rational’ might fit in to judging a belief system?

4. “Why Do Atheists Think They’re the Party of Reason When They Reason So Poorly?”​

…Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, and Victor Stenger telling us about The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason, and The Center for Inquiry pronouncing it’s time for science and reason.”
Why Do Atheists Think They're the Party of Reason When They Reason So Poorly? - The Stream



I shouldn’t have to point out that replacing the ol’ time religion with science and reason is why the French Revolution resulted in an abattoir……that means ‘slaughter house.’ As did every other movement with that basis.
After all, science might tell us what we can do.....


......but not what we should do.

Democrats praying to their masters?

 

[mudwhistle]

You're all crazy.

At least Joe is feeling better about himself now.
The people who caused all of the above are finally back in charge.
I guess you can get used to living in shit if you don't think of it as shit.

 

[pknopp]

Who should have been picked?

The point that only those who have no self awareness run because of how irrational we treat political candidates is a valid point. The idea that decent people do not want to drag their family through the mud so they don't run is a fair argument but it still goes to show how irrational it all is.

 

[JoeB131]

Odd, you said you admit Romney is fairly rational.

Well, his religion clearly isn't. And he's a greedy asshole. But I'm pretty sure that if Covid had broken out on his watch, he wouldn't have handled it as badly as Trump did. He wouldn't have been upset that Dr. Fauci had better press than he had in a given week.

Now, to a degree, all politicians are narcissists. Fuck, Obama wrote two autobiographies before he even accomplished anything of note.

But Trump made Obama look Humble, Bush look smart and Clinton look ethical.

"Commie Bernie", see there is nothing rational about that.

Uh, you mean other than the guy is an admitted socialist (with three mansions, of course).

Reminds me of the old Russian joke about how Brezhnev showed his mother his mansion in Moscow and his Dacha in the Ukraine and when she didn't approve, he asked, "What is wrong, Mama, don't you like this?" and she replies, "It's nice, but what are you going to do if the Communists get back into power?"

 

[JohnDB]

We, as people, tend to be so self absorbed that we think that we can actually reason our way out of trouble. (And we always are in trouble)
If the problems are beyond our ability to solve we look to someone else to help us. (Two heads are better than one)

Religion, for many, is politics and politics is religion. Except that today they have thrown away the mysterious gods that propulgated these religions but kept the politics.

This is where Christianity is supposed to be vastly different. (Most don't treat it that way but at core it is exactly this way)
Christianity is supposed to abhor politics. It's definitely not in favor of group trends. It is about individual morality and acts of kindness...and collectively working together to do more actual good things.

It's supposed to stay out of political strife altogether as most of the requisite behaviors inside of politics are verboten in Christianity. Which is why Communism and Marxism both make Christianity illegal. Democracies lure Christians into the behaviors that are forbidden.

As a matter of human behavior that is way too easy to fall for the various leaders become worshipped... not necessarily by bowing and scraping but with shouts of praise and financial gifts.
Church leadership usually is worshipped instead of God by congregations but the two behaviors appear so similar it's difficult for many to notice the difference. So often the political leaders are treated in the same way.

The lines are definitely being blurred intentionally to confuse everyone.

 

[rightwinger]

The point that only those who have no self awareness run because of how irrational we treat political candidates is a valid point. The idea that decent people do not want to drag their family through the mud so they don't run is a fair argument but it still goes to show how irrational it all is.

Cop out
You criticize who was picked but can’t name a better option

 

[Meriweather]

Our best leaders are those who run the entity that is our nation and leave its people free to build their own lives.

 

[pknopp]

Well, his religion clearly isn't. And he's a greedy asshole. But I'm pretty sure that if Covid had broken out on his watch, he wouldn't have handled it as badly as Trump did. He wouldn't have been upset that Dr. Fauci had better press than he had in a given week.

I believe anyone would have handled it "poorly". It's not improved in the last year.

Just because there is less crazy talk doesn't mean the problem is any closer to being solved.

Now, to a degree, all politicians are narcissists. Fuck, Obama wrote two autobiographies before he even accomplished anything of note.

But Trump made Obama look Humble, Bush look smart and Clinton look ethical.

Agree other than making Clinton look ethical. (either one of them)

Uh, you mean other than the guy is an admitted socialist (with three mansions, of course).

Reminds me of the old Russian joke about how Brezhnev showed his mother his mansion in Moscow and his Dacha in the Ukraine and when she didn't approve, he asked, "What is wrong, Mama, don't you like this?" and she replies, "It's nice, but what are you going to do if the Communists get back into power?"

Here we go. Sanders has not promoted anything the Democrats haven't said they support. They just don't actually do it. Both because they can't and because they don't actually support it despite saying they do. You are still upset because he hurt your irrational candidate.

 

[rightwinger]

But I'm pretty sure that if Covid had broken out on his watch, he wouldn't have handled it as badly as Trump did. He wouldn't have been upset that Dr. Fauci had better press than he had in a given week.

Any President of either party would have done a better job than Trump in leading during COVID

Any President would have put aside politics and United the country to make the needed sacrifices.
Trump made it about himself and his decisions were based on what was best for his re-election chances not what was best for the country

 

[pknopp]

Cop out
You criticize who was picked but can’t name a better option

It's not a cop out. I most certainly believe Kasich was far more rational but my argument is that more and better people would run if we didn't think things like attacking their families is fair game. (among other things)

 

[pknopp]

Any President of either party would have done a better job than Trump in leading during COVID

Any President would have put aside politics and United the country to make the needed sacrifices.
Trump made it about himself and his decisions were based on what was best for his re-election chances not what was best for the country

We still have covid and the country is no closer to coming together.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Just to take one because it would be a waste of time to cover them all because you don't really care.

Yes gas was cheap. It was cheap because we shut the economy down over Covid. Are you saying you are yearning for those days again?

I could point out for the 20th time that I didn't vote for Biden but you would pretend you didn't know. Would you consider that rational?

I recognize that proving you less than rational was gilding the lily, but it amused me to smash yet another custard pie in your ugly kisser.


Wear it well.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Our best leaders are those who run the entity that is our nation and leave its people free to build their own lives.

You favor liberty????


Clearly not a Democrat voter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. The Left/Democrats/Progressives, the folks who advance Militant Secularism and repudiate real religion, claim that they represent science and reason. One can’t credit that, unless you actually believe that men can become pregnant and DNA is meaningless.



And there are actual credentialed scientists who evince the sort of irrationality we are discussing:

“The late Cornell biologist Richard Lewontin opted for irrationality, too:
We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

“I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God.” And, “we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.” This is the Party of Reason speaking. At least some of them are honest. I’ve tried to nudge others to the same honesty.” Why Do Atheists Think They're the Party of Reason When They Reason So Poorly? - The Stream




For those who don't read books, Democrats....."material" and "materialism" are references to Marxism.

 

[mudwhistle]

We still have covid and the country is no closer to coming together.

That's rich....considering the fact that your shit machine in the WH keeps calling half of us a bunch of domestic terrorists.

 

[beautress]

Well, his religion clearly isn't. And he's a greedy asshole. But I'm pretty sure that if Covid had broken out on his watch, he wouldn't have handled it as badly as Trump did. He wouldn't have been upset that Dr. Fauci had better press than he had in a given week.

Now, to a degree, all politicians are narcissists. Fuck, Obama wrote two autobiographies before he even accomplished anything of note.

But Trump made Obama look Humble, Bush look smart and Clinton look ethical.



Uh, you mean other than the guy is an admitted socialist (with three mansions, of course).

Reminds me of the old Russian joke about how Brezhnev showed his mother his mansion in Moscow and his Dacha in the Ukraine and when she didn't approve, he asked, "What is wrong, Mama, don't you like this?" and she replies, "It's nice, but what are you going to do if the Communists get back into power?"

You forget. Trump inspired businesses to hire people at very good wages, and reduced the burden of freeloaders by making them want to seek jobs with decent pay.

The nanny state created by Joe Biden has doubled the price of gas, grocery, rent, you name it. It's way up and picking the pockets of taxpayers who will inevitably have to pay for all the drug problems and jail expansions nation wide, caused by an open borders, and recompensing families who lost their family's cop by being unable to shoot back at people killing them off with bricks to the brain. You give all this a pass? Oh, wait. You like to make decent people throw up. I might oughta put you back on ignore before you make up a false case scenario against the good again and again and again and again.

 

[rightwinger]

We still have covid and the country is no closer to coming together.

Yes we do
But we had many more deaths than we should have and continue to have deaths