Need A Belief System Be Rational???

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And, if so, how do 'rational' and 'high body count' fit together????



1.It seems ‘rational’ for a system of belief be just that, based on reason and logic. It just seems that that relationship should be a part of the human condition. After all, we are known scientifically as Homo sapiens…..which translates to ‘man the wise.’

Of course it should go without saying that the above pertains to adults, not children. It’s just that we run into a problem in contemporary America in that the dominant political party infantilizes its adherents. Imagine actual adults believing that their party will take care of them from cradle to grave, and they have nothing to give up….well, except for freedom, liberty and the right to make their own decisions.
And.....when obedience is the coin of the realm......how to accomplish one's own survival?
This is where ‘rational’ comes in.





2. But today, a most specific consideration of rational, as it pertains to religion. That dominant political party goes far out of its way to ridicule, marginalize, and de-legitimize religion. And by religion, I don’t mean the ersatz version substituted by the Left, the worship of man himself, and the collectivization of man, what we call government. This faux religion, Militant Secularism, projects its desire to be considered a real religion by draping itself in a number of religious trappings.

For example, they refer to their candidates as god, Jesus or the messiah. They kneel as one might in church..

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3. From the perspective of history, the religion of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith, was the reason for the success of Western Civilization, while the ‘religion’ of the Left gave us the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, all of which resulted in piles of bodies.
See where ‘rational’ might fit in to judging a belief system?



4. “Why Do Atheists Think They’re the Party of Reason When They Reason So Poorly?”

…Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science, and Victor Stenger telling us about The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason, and The Center for Inquiry pronouncing it’s time for science and reason.”
Why Do Atheists Think They're the Party of Reason When They Reason So Poorly? - The Stream



I shouldn’t have to point out that replacing the ol’ time religion with science and reason is why the French Revolution resulted in an abattoir……that means ‘slaughter house.’ As did every other movement with that basis.
After all, science might tell us what we can do.....


......but not what we should do.
 
Believing that Trump or Hillary was worthy candidates for president was a rational thought?

Religion has little on politics where being irrational is concerned.
 
Religion was invented so people could openly express their irrational thoughts without being mocked and ridiculed.

To be fair, I think religion was initially devised as a way to explain the parts of the universe people didn't understand. Storm destroys your home? You must have made the Thunder God Angry! Your village got the plague? They must have sinned. Got an allergic reaction from eating shellfish? That's because shellfish are unclean!!!

Today we build houses than can withstand storms, we have medicines to treat or prevent plagues (if we decide to take them that is), and we can screen people for allergies so they know what foods to avoid.

Yet religion persists because at the end of the day, we all fear death. I consider myself a pretty committed Atheist, but I don't know what I'll do on my deathbed. With luck, I'll die in my sleep.

I now return you to Political Chicks' Number Pointed Crazy rant...
 
Believing that Trump or Hillary was worthy candidates for president was a rational thought?

Religion has little on politics where being irrational is concerned.

Not to get on a tangent, but what is a "worthy candidate"? Frankly, with the exception of Trump, I think most of the people who have run for President in my lifetime were worthy. They were decent men (and a woman) who had dedicated lives to public service. We demonize the other side so much that when an actual demon like Trump shows up, we don't recognize it.

And, yes, I spent a lot of time in 2012 demonizing Romney because I didn't like the cult he belonged to. Oddly, Romney is the only guy in the GOP showing a little integrity.
 
3. From the perspective of history, the religion of the Founders, the Judeo-Christian faith, was the reason for the success of Western Civilization, while the ‘religion’ of the Left gave us the French Revolution, the Bolsheviks and the Nazis, all of which resulted in piles of bodies.
See where ‘rational’ might fit in to judging a belief system?

Um, the Nazis were right wing, Mail Order Bride From Hell.

This has been explained to you multiple times...and you still pretend they aren't.
 
Not to get on a tangent, but what is a "worthy candidate"? Frankly, with the exception of Trump, I think most of the people who have run for President in my lifetime were worthy. They were decent men (and a woman) who had dedicated lives to public service. We demonize the other side so much that when an actual demon like Trump shows up, we don't recognize it.

And, yes, I spent a lot of time in 2012 demonizing Romney because I didn't like the cult he belonged to. Oddly, Romney is the only guy in the GOP showing a little integrity.

330 million people and we pick Hillary and Trump. There was nothing rational about that.
 
Religion was invented so people could openly express their irrational thoughts without being mocked and ridiculed.
Religion was invented so people could openly express their irrational thoughts without being mocked and ridiculed.


Your lack of self-awareness would be overwhelming, if it didn't make an appearance in each and every post of yours.


You are a member of a religion.....Militant Secularism.



Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.



The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’




And you certainly are one of the most pious.
 
Your lack of self-awareness would be overwhelming, if it didn't make an appearance in each and every post of yours.


You are a member of a religion.....Militant Secularism.



Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.



The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’




And you certainly are one of the most pious.



The ‘funny’ emoticon appears to mean ‘That hurt…I wish I had a way to dispute it.”
 
330 million people and we pick Hillary and Trump. There was nothing rational about that.

Really? Frankly, we'd pick apart any of the 339,999,998 other people just as bad. Maybe worse.

Which is why most of them don't run. Who would want to inflict that kind of misery on themselves AND their families?

Look, man, I know you are upset that Commie Bernie didn't get the nod and people would start thinking Socialism is a good idea despite a century of evidence to the contrary.
 
Watch me leave you speechless: let's see how rational you are.


This...





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.....Or this.....

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Just to take one because it would be a waste of time to cover them all because you don't really care.

Yes gas was cheap. It was cheap because we shut the economy down over Covid. Are you saying you are yearning for those days again?

I could point out for the 20th time that I didn't vote for Biden but you would pretend you didn't know. Would you consider that rational?
 
Your lack of self-awareness would be overwhelming, if it didn't make an appearance in each and every post of yours.


You are a member of a religion.....Militant Secularism.



Though liberalism rejects the idea of God and reviles people of faith, it bears all the attributes of a religion. In Godless, Coulter throws open the doors of the Church of Liberalism, showing us its sacraments (abortion), its holy writ (Roe v. Wade), its martyrs (from Soviet spy Alger Hiss to cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal), its clergy (public school teachers), its churches (government schools, where prayer is prohibited but condoms are free), its doctrine of infallibility (as manifest in the "absolute moral authority" of spokesmen from Cindy Sheehan to Max Cleland), and its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident).

Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.

For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted.
And....Franklin Delano Roosevelt, "...the Socialist Savior of the Democratic Party."

the Catechism: you didn't build that.....any success is just dumb luck



1. Sen. Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii) on Tuesday called for liberal activists to believe in climate change as if it were a "religion." Dem Senator Hirono: Believe in Climate Change Like a Religion


2. And the equally brilliant Ben Shapiro runs with "its sacraments (abortion)"....
"When Abortion Becomes a Sacrament
...alleged comedian Michelle Wolf paid tribute to the most important facet of American life: abortion. On her Netflix show on Sunday, Wolf dressed up in red, white and blue, and shrieked into the camera, "God bless abortions, and God bless America!" She explained: "Women, if you need an abortion, get one! If you want an abortion, get one! ...

...abortion isn't just another decision. It's a giant middle finger to the moral establishment. And those who would fight abortion are desacralizing the mysterious holiness of a ritual that reinforces women's control. No wonder Wolf thinks God blesses abortion; abortion is her god."
When Abortion Becomes A Sacrament

3. “It [Communism] is not new. It is, in fact, man's second oldest faith. Its promise was whispered in the first days of the Creation under the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil: "Ye shall be as gods." It is the great alternative faith of mankind. Like all great faiths, its force derives from a simple vision. Other ages have had great visions. They have always been different versions of the same vision: the vision of God and man's relationship to God. The Communist vision is the vision of Man without God.
It is the vision of man's mind displacing God as the creative intelligence of the world.” Whittaker Chambers, Witness



4. “Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ Rahm Emanuel: Athletes Kneeling During National Anthem Akin to Kneeling at ‘Religious Services’ - Non Perele - News Online



5. "Darwinism, by contrast, is an essential ingredient in secularism, that aggressive, quasi-religious faith without a deity. The Sternberg case seems, in many ways, an instance of one religion persecuting a rival, demanding loyalty from anyone who enters one of its churches -- like the National Museum of Natural History.”
The Branding of a Heretic



6. “The secularists [that The New York Times, Katherine] Stewart represents just refuse to acknowledge that their religious beliefs are in fact religious beliefs, and of a far creepier and deadlier kind than Christians’.
….the belief that it is possible to fix the world by applying government pressure? That is not a belief that can be wholly validated by research or experience. In fact, research and experience both indicate that central planning usually makes life even more nasty, brutish, and short.

So what is this unfounded, undocumented, unprovable faith in government power to correct human psyches and behavior if not a religious (metaphysical) belief? It is also an unprovable and metaphysical belief about what a human is — a thing that can be “corrected” by politics and whose “error” is not intrinsic to itself. Again, these are all metaphysical, religious beliefs with no empirical basis or possibility of being fully empirically proven.



The secular, pagan, atheist types are the ones who claim religious assumptions are evil. They do so because they erroneously believe they are free from such assumptions. But in truth, no one is.””
Barr: The People Trying To 'Impose Their Values' Are 'Militant Secularists'



7. NY Democrat Governor “Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’” … speech at a Brooklyn mega-church where she urged worshippers to act as “my apostles” and proselytize on behalf of COVID-19 vaccinations. Critics of the remarks included Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who mocked Hochul as “one of the high priestesses” of “the cult of coronavirus” and “the leader of the New York diocese of the corona cult.” “Around her neck, she wore not a cross — that’s yesterday’s symbol — but instead a vaccination necklace,” Hochul defends calling NYC churchgoers ‘my apostles’




And you certainly are one of the most pious.
I should be honored that such superior being as yourself took time out of your busy day to concoct such an elaborate and well thought out seven paragraph plus reply to my drivel.

Bravo!
 

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