Nearly all of recent COVID deaths are among the unvaccinated

[Stryder50]

I'm not suggesting it as an alternative, besides it couldn't be as you're already vaccinated. But if you're leery of the virus, which is coming back, why not take a simple pill? We take an immune support vitamin that has D, C and Zinc. Zinc is usually prescribed as an early treatment if you get covid along with ivermectin or HCQ

On Vitamin D

Can Vitamin D Help Protect against COVID?

Some studies suggest an impact, particularly for those who are vitamin-deficient. But for now, the jury is out

www.scientificamerican.com

From what I've seen/read, the role of HCQ is it helps/enhances the bodies absorption of Zinc, which is the actual benefit supplement/treatment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You don't know that for certain in all cases, but if you can document, please do.
My experience is that many aren't managing their co-mordidities as well as they could and before Covid, many would be at risk of earlier death just from annual flu and colds.

This pretty much ends the Wuhan Hoax:


"Study Finds 89% of Patients Who Died From COVID-19 Had a Do-Not-Resuscitate Order

DNR patients had higher hazard ratios for risk of death and lower survival outcomes compared to non-DNR patients. The association between DNR status and poor clinical outcomes remained independently significant after adjustment for important clinical factors, including age, gender, COVID-19 symptoms at the time of admission and comorbidities.





"This study is notable because it indicates that many patients who died in these hospitals were quite ill to begin with. If this trend held in larger samples of the national population, at least one prediction made by Imperial College researcher Neil Ferguson may bear out. When he revised his statistics, he told officials in the U.K. that a significant portion of COVID-19 deaths in the country would likely have happened within the next six to twelve months without the virus"

Study Finds 89% of Patients Who Died From COVID-19 Had a Do-Not-Resuscitate Order

pjmedia.com

“Obesity a driving factor in COVID-19 deaths, global report finds”

Obesity a driving factor in COVID-19 deaths, global report finds

The majority of global COVID-19 deaths have been in countries where many people are obese, with coronavirus fatality rates 10 times higher in nations where at least 50% of adults are overweight, a global study found on Thursday.

www.reuters.com

I wonder if this applies to the fatheads of the Democrat Party?

 

[rightwinger]

You don't know that for certain in all cases, but if you can document, please do.
My experience is that many aren't managing their co-mordidities as well as they could and before Covid, many would be at risk of earlier death just from annual flu and colds.

More blame the victim from the right

 

[Stryder50]

More blame the victim from the right

More a matter of "blame" or better yet understand the variables of reality.

From another post, but would seem to apply with you;
Basically Leftist are reluctant to accept personal responsibility for their own choices and actions, want to find someone or something else to blame. Being easily led sheep, they think everyone else is as mindless and lacking in will power as they are.

If you want to pin blame anywhere, look to CCP China which knew this was a dangerous disease yet let it spread globally anyway. Just as we've seen with most pandemics of the past couple of decades that seem to usually start there and spread globally.

 

[Rigby5]

More blame the victim from the right

No, the hospitals are to blame.
They are going by the book, and the treatment for pneumonia is chemically induced coma, so you can intubate with a ventilator.
But that does not work with covid-19, and instead murders the patient.
What the Germans, Russians, Israelis, French, etc., are trying to tell us is that you have to keep the patient awake and moving around, in order to keep the lungs from filling with fluid. Face down is best. Treadmills help exhale fluids. Otherwise they drown.

 

[rightwinger]

No, the hospitals are to blame.
They are going by the book, and the treatment for pneumonia is chemically induced coma, so you can intubate with a ventilator.
But that does not work with covid-19, and instead murders the patient.
What the Germans, Russians, Israelis, French, etc., are trying to tell us is that you have to keep the patient awake and moving around, in order to keep the lungs from filling with fluid. Face down is best. Treadmills help exhale fluids. Otherwise they drown.

Interesting Dr Rigby

So it looks like they can sue the hospitals

 

[Rigby5]

Interesting Dr Rigby

So it looks like they can sue the hospitals

Should, but hospitals have much more expensive legal teams than the relatives of the deceased are likely to be able to afford.
Just don't go to a hospital if you get covid-19.
It is close to a death sentence.

 

[Flopper]

Before Trump's Warpspeed miracle:


"NYTimes claimed that’d be 2036 before there would be a vaccine:

“What’s Going On in This Graph? | Estimated Time for Covid-19 Vaccine

How long will it take to produce a Covid-19 vaccine? These three graphs provide some answers. Published May 7, 2020

What’s Going On in This Graph? | Estimated Time for Covid-19 Vaccine​

How long will it take to produce a Covid-19 vaccine? These three graphs provide some answers.

www.nytimes.com

People are most conservative on is

we were able to get these vaccine from laboratory into the arms of the public in less than a year because of:

• MONEY - Operation Warp Speed provided unlimited funds - Vaccine research and development typically moves at a snails pace because the purpose of most vaccines are not to stop a raging epidemic but to prevent one. Thus funds flow very slowly.
• Cooperation - There was unprecedent cooperation between labs around the world. The Wuhan Virology in China released the genome of the virus and data critical to creating a vaccine In the middle of Jan 2020. Two weeks later a German virology lab released instructions for creating a vaccine.
• Most of the Research had already been done - The viruses that caused the SARS, MERs, and Covid-19 epidemic are in the same family (Coronavirus) with only small differences in the spike and the protein. A vaccine had already been developed for SARS-2 Thus developing the Covid-19 vaccine was a matter of tweaking vaccines that had already been developed .
• The reduction in time to build factories were dramatic - The simplicity of the manufacturing process for mRNA vaccines does not require large plants. The vaccine can produced in quantity in small existing labs. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses traditional technology and is manufactured in existing facilities.
• Large clinical trial cut years off the traditional time - Typical vaccine clinical trials consisted of only a few hundred to a few thousand volunteers. The clinical trials for the Covid-19 vaccines in the US had 38,0000 to 43,000 volunteers.

In times of emergencies when neither money nor personnel are a limiting factor, the typical times for R&D and production can be reduced dramatically. For example in WWII, military aircraft productions increased by 10 times in the first year and by the end of the the war we had produced 200,000 fighters and bombers, more than 10 times what we had going into the war.. The number of naval ships increased 800% in 4 years.

 

[Rigby5]

What I heard is that the big pharma had spent and lost millions working on a corona virus vaccine for SARS in 2009, so wanted to recoup their losses using covid-19.

 

[Flopper]

What I heard is that the big pharma had spent and lost millions working on a corona virus vaccine for SARS in 2009, so wanted to recoup their losses using covid-19.

The SARS 2009 vaccine effort was in a single lab in Texas. It doesn't sound like there was much interest in it.

Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.

"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Who_Me?]

The needle was just buried on the Crock-o-Meter

 

[Rigby5]

The SARS 2009 vaccine effort was in a single lab in Texas. It doesn't sound like there was much interest in it.

Scientists were close to a coronavirus vaccine years ago. Then the money dried up.

"We just could not generate much interest," a researcher said of the difficulty in getting funding to test the vaccine in humans.

www.nbcnews.com

Yes, but that does not mean they did not deliberately push for "flattening the curve" in order to give time to get the old SARS vaccine ready for covid-19 deployment.
There has to be some reason they went the "flattening the curve" route, since it makes absolutely no sense at all if there was no vaccine.

 

[Flopper]

Yes, but that does not mean they did not deliberately push for "flattening the curve" in order to give time to get the old SARS vaccine ready for covid-19 deployment.
There has to be some reason they went the "flattening the curve" route, since it makes absolutely no sense at all if there was no vaccine.

I'm just guessing that it has something to do with all the beds in our local hospital being filled and a 6 hour wait the to get into the ER.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations jump significantly again

Florida’s COVID-19 hospitalizations again jumped significantly this week as the vaccination rate in rural counties where some of the worst outbreaks are occurring remains well below the state and national average.

www.clickorlando.com

Florida COVID-19 hospitalizations jump significantly again​

Officials say more than 95% hospitalized not vaccinated​

"About 5,300 Floridians are now hospitalized with COVID, a 65% jump since last week and nearly a tripling since June 14 when 1,845 were hospitalized, the Florida Hospital Association said. Officials have said more than 95% of those hospitalized were not vaccinated."

 

[PoliticalChic]

we were able to get these vaccine from laboratory into the arms of the public in less than a year because of:

• MONEY - Operation Warp Speed provided unlimited funds - Vaccine research and development typically moves at a snails pace because the purpose of most vaccines are not to stop a raging epidemic but to prevent one. Thus funds flow very slowly.
• Cooperation - There was unprecedent cooperation between labs around the world. The Wuhan Virology in China released the genome of the virus and data critical to creating a vaccine In the middle of Jan 2020. Two weeks later a German virology lab released instructions for creating a vaccine.
• Most of the Research had already been done - The viruses that caused the SARS, MERs, and Covid-19 epidemic are in the same family (Coronavirus) with only small differences in the spike and the protein. A vaccine had already been developed for SARS-2 Thus developing the Covid-19 vaccine was a matter of tweaking vaccines that had already been developed .
• The reduction in time to build factories were dramatic - The simplicity of the manufacturing process for mRNA vaccines does not require large plants. The vaccine can produced in quantity in small existing labs. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses traditional technology and is manufactured in existing facilities.
• Large clinical trial cut years off the traditional time - Typical vaccine clinical trials consisted of only a few hundred to a few thousand volunteers. The clinical trials for the Covid-19 vaccines in the US had 38,0000 to 43,000 volunteers.

In times of emergencies when neither money nor personnel are a limiting factor, the typical times for R&D and production can be reduced dramatically. For example in WWII, military aircraft productions increased by 10 times in the first year and by the end of the the war we had produced 200,000 fighters and bombers, more than 10 times what we had going into the war.. The number of naval ships increased 800% in 4 years.

Because of Trump.


Face the truth.



COVID vaccine arrived this week, and we should credit ...
President Donald Trump finally delivers the shot in the arm we really needed
Meanwhile, most of the other companies with vaccines in phase 3 trials were developed under Trump's Warp Speed program, including the Moderna vaccine that is expected to get FDA approval shortly. President Donald Trump finally delivers the shot in the arm we really needed





“FT Credits Trump's 'Warp Speed' for COVID Vaccines

The Financial Times says President Donald Trump's Operation Warp Speed is responsible for the coronavirus vaccines becoming available so soon.

In an article posted Thursday, the Times noted the "vaccine push is now hailed as the bright spot in the Trump administration's COVID-19 response, as products from Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca and Oxford University move closer to approval."

The key achievement of Operation Warp Speed had been speeding up investment in manufacturing, Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Columbia University School of Public Health, told the Times.” FT Credits Trump's 'Warp Speed' for COVID Vaccines



“…the vaccine.

“For example, COVID. Everybody wants to say that the COVID crisis is getting worse, and the numbers certainly suggest that. But we have a vaccine. And we believe and have every reason to believe it works. There’s some serious distribution issues that I suspect will be fairly quickly resolved,” Hume continued.

“And that is what we’ve hoped for from the beginning, that there would be a vaccine. We never thought we’d have one as soon as now. We thought it’d be way into next year, maybe beyond before we got one. So that’s one big problem that’s well on the way to a solution that he faces. And look around the world …” Mic glitch appears to catch Chris Wallace rebuking Brit Hume’s optimistic covid commentary: ‘Really?’
This thread, Data Confirms: Democrats Lie About Everything, featured many of the lies Democrats and their allies tell.

But the most insidious ability of the state media is to leave out inconvenient facts.

This is one:



"Biden's Only Real Success as President Is Really Trump's



the Biden kinda/sorta presidency thus far is an unmitigated disaster. True, there are partisans out there who are so invested in hating Donald Trump that they’re willing to tell themselves otherwise but that doesn’t change reality. We call these people unwell. Harsher terms could be used, but I’m in a generous mood today. We’ll get back to referring to them as bottom-feeding participants in a moronic mass-delusion tomorrow.





Here’s a partial list of Biden disasters thus far: the Mexican border, inflation, the overnight vanishing of the peace Trump brokered in the Middle East, gas lines, and endless press reporting about his stupid dogs.



Oh yeah, what he does to the English language when he speaks in public has been pretty brutal too.



The only thing that Team Dumpster Fire can point to as a success has been the widespread rollout and administration of the COVID-19 vaccine, which has gone very well. Biden, Democrats, and their flying monkeys in the media are all doing victory laps over this but the man they love to hate reminded them that he’s the reason they’re in this position.





Tyler has the story:



“New United States COVID cases, because of the record-breaking development of the vaccine and its early purchase and distribution by the Trump Administration, has hit its lowest level in more than one year, and falling fast,” the former president said.

“I want to thank all within the Trump Administration who pushed so hard for a vaccine and got it done in less than nine months when everybody was saying it would take at least 3-5 years, and probably not happen,” Trump added. “Without the vaccine the world would be a much different place right now.”

Trump also thanked the U.S. military “for its incredible distribution and logistical planning.”

“Operation Warp Speed and our decision to purchase billions of dollars of vaccine before it was even approved, has been ‘One of the greatest miracles of the ages,’ according to many,” the former president concluded. “Thank you!”

The Morning Briefing: Biden's Only Real Success as President Is Really Trump's

pjmedia.com

 

[Flopper]

I'm just guessing that it has something to do with all the beds in our local hospital being filled and a 6 hour wait the to get into the ER.

Because of Trump.


Face the truth.



COVID vaccine arrived this week, and we should credit ...
President Donald Trump finally delivers the shot in the arm we really needed
Meanwhile, most of the other companies with vaccines in phase 3 trials were developed under Trump's Warp Speed program, including the Moderna vaccine that is expected to get FDA approval shortly. President Donald Trump finally delivers the shot in the arm we really needed





“FT Credits Trump's 'Warp Speed' for COVID Vaccines

The Financial Times says President Donald Trump's Operation Warp Speed is responsible for the coronavirus vaccines becoming available so soon.

In an article posted Thursday, the Times noted the "vaccine push is now hailed as the bright spot in the Trump administration's COVID-19 response, as products from Pfizer and BioNTech, Moderna, and AstraZeneca and Oxford University move closer to approval."

The key achievement of Operation Warp Speed had been speeding up investment in manufacturing, Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at the Columbia University School of Public Health, told the Times.” FT Credits Trump's 'Warp Speed' for COVID Vaccines



“…the vaccine.

“For example, COVID. Everybody wants to say that the COVID crisis is getting worse, and the numbers certainly suggest that. But we have a vaccine. And we believe and have every reason to believe it works. There’s some serious distribution issues that I suspect will be fairly quickly resolved,” Hume continued.

“And that is what we’ve hoped for from the beginning, that there would be a vaccine. We never thought we’d have one as soon as now. We thought it’d be way into next year, maybe beyond before we got one. So that’s one big problem that’s well on the way to a solution that he faces. And look around the world …” Mic glitch appears to catch Chris Wallace rebuking Brit Hume’s optimistic covid commentary: ‘Really?’
This thread, Data Confirms: Democrats Lie About Everything, featured many of the lies Democrats and their allies tell.

But the most insidious ability of the state media is to leave out inconvenient facts.

This is one:



"Biden's Only Real Success as President Is Really Trump's



the Biden kinda/sorta presidency thus far is an unmitigated disaster. True, there are partisans out there who are so invested in hating Donald Trump that they’re willing to tell themselves otherwise but that doesn’t change reality. We call these people unwell. Harsher terms could be used, but I’m in a generous mood today. We’ll get back to referring to them as bottom-feeding participants in a moronic mass-delusion tomorrow.





Here’s a partial list of Biden disasters thus far: the Mexican border, inflation, the overnight vanishing of the peace Trump brokered in the Middle East, gas lines, and endless press reporting about his stupid dogs.



Oh yeah, what he does to the English language when he speaks in public has been pretty brutal too.



The only thing that Team Dumpster Fire can point to as a success has been the widespread rollout and administration of the COVID-19 vaccine, which has gone very well. Biden, Democrats, and their flying monkeys in the media are all doing victory laps over this but the man they love to hate reminded them that he’s the reason they’re in this position.





Tyler has the story:



“New United States COVID cases, because of the record-breaking development of the vaccine and its early purchase and distribution by the Trump Administration, has hit its lowest level in more than one year, and falling fast,” the former president said.

“I want to thank all within the Trump Administration who pushed so hard for a vaccine and got it done in less than nine months when everybody was saying it would take at least 3-5 years, and probably not happen,” Trump added. “Without the vaccine the world would be a much different place right now.”

Trump also thanked the U.S. military “for its incredible distribution and logistical planning.”

“Operation Warp Speed and our decision to purchase billions of dollars of vaccine before it was even approved, has been ‘One of the greatest miracles of the ages,’ according to many,” the former president concluded. “Thank you!”

The Morning Briefing: Biden's Only Real Success as President Is Really Trump's

pjmedia.com

Donald Trump certainly deserves credit for his part in raising funds for developing the vaccines, selecting the developers, contracting for doses, and getting the project off the ground.

Unfortunately as it became clear that he would not be in charge come January, he saw to it that, the planning of the rollout of the vaccines slowed down and his administration held back the release of information needed by the transition team for weeks. Once he was out of office, he began an attack on the Biden Admistraion vaccination efforts. Under a guise of encouraging vaccinations, his message was just the opposed. He repeated conspiracy theories about about both Pfizer and Johnsons and Johnsons. He criticizes the administration policies and actions in an attempt to create distrust and fear among his followers so they would hesitate in taking the vaccine. His end game is clear. See that the Biden administration fails to get the virus under control. His message for the mid term elections will be I gave you wonderful vaccines and the democrats failed to get the people vaccinated.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Donald Trump certainly deserves credit for his part in raising funds for developing the vaccines, selecting the developers, contracting for doses, and getting the project off the ground.

Unfortunately as it became clear that he would not be in charge come January, he saw to it that, the planning of the rollout of the vaccines slowed down and his administration held back the release of information needed by the transition team for weeks. Once he was out of office, he began an attack on the Biden Admistraion vaccination efforts. Under a guise of encouraging vaccinations, his message was just the opposed. He repeated conspiracy theories about about both Pfizer and Johnsons and Johnsons. He criticizes the administration policies and actions in an attempt to create distrust and fear among his followers so they would hesitate in taking the vaccine. His end game is clear. See that the Biden administration fails to get the virus under control. His message for the mid term elections will be I gave you wonderful vaccines and the democrats failed to get the people vaccinated.

Can you really be this blind?


....and stupid????

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Can you really be this blind?


....and stupid????

You always degenerate into a useless blob when someone takes you outside your copy/paste comfort zone.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You always degenerate into a useless blob when someone takes you outside your copy/paste comfort zone.

I understand those, you, who are not as well-read, educated, or able, are chagrinned at not being able to do the same, would post this dodge: "copy and paste more mumbo jumbo I’m not going to read it FYI. Answer in your own words. Try and show you have a brain for a change."





You should simply admit what we both know to be the truth: you cannot compete on the same level.




Of course, you can dispute this description of your ability by simply providing the three or four books that have informed your geopolitical outlook.

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

Darwin Awards are on me.

COVID is now killing just those who are too stupid, stubborn or Trump loving to get vaccinated.

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

People aren’t getting jabbed because Biden and Harris said they don’t trust the vaccine.

They are murdering people