Zone1 Near death experiencer asks God why The Holocaust was allowed?

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well, if you would like us to be under one world order controlled by one tyrant, this could happen if we did not have our free moral agency. But, because we do have free moral agency, those with a more righteous conscience are able to contradict this tyrannical order that could take place and fight for freedom of thought, speech and religious observance.

So true!

And this is so completely thanks to newer, superior secular ideas that displaced old religious dogma and the regimes using it to justify their own grip on power.

The country you are sitting in right now comes to mind.

So, in an ironic twist, secular morality and ethics saved a spot for your religious morality to survive and to thrive.

All that is asked is that you return the favor, when asked. That's it. That's the contract.

 

[sealybobo]

So true!

And this is so completely thanks to newer, superior secular ideas that displaced old religious dogma and the regimes using it to justify their own grip on power.

The country you are sitting in right now comes to mind.

So, in an ironic twist, secular morality and ethics saved a spot for your religious morality to survive and to thrive.

All that is asked is that you return the favor, when asked. That's it. That's the contract.

I think future humans are evolving away from religion. It’s cute when you find out someone is religious but most of the people I know aren’t. My brothers family is. But his kids aren’t. In their 20s who knows but so far not religious.

And that’s okay. We are good people. And we’re okay with people believing whatever they want. It shouldn’t be an emotional conversation about the existence of a higher power or one person telling you you’ll go to hell for not believing.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm specifically asked The Being of Light of near death experience fame why The Holocaust had been allowed to occur?

What he was told in reply does help us to understand why the horrors of history had been permitted. Our Creator is working out a Master Plan that will eventually make sense out of all terrible events of history.




Former Atheist and near death experiencer Ms. Beverly Broadsky also asked about the horrors of history during her near death experience and eventually all of her questions were answered to her satisfaction.

Beverly Brodsky’s Near-Death Experience​

BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 27, 2019

When we are finished in this world all will be revealed (I hope). The.questions that require.answering are.vast indeed and this doesn't even include the.curiousity I have for the universe.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think future humans are evolving away from religion. It’s cute when you find out someone is religious but most of the people I know aren’t. My brothers family is. But his kids aren’t. In their 20s who knows but so far not religious.

And that’s okay. We are good people. And we’re okay with people believing whatever they want. It shouldn’t be an emotional conversation about the existence of a higher power or one person telling you you’ll go to hell for not believing.

I think you're right. I also think the biggest reason for that is that we have improved our standard of living.

So the desperation to "be in a better place" is fading. People can be more focused on enjoying this life, for exactly what it is worth as determined by themselves.

Now they don't as often need to look at their own, miserable life as a placeholder for the REAL life to come.

No more slaves, no more of Ma dying from stepping on a nail and having to raise children at age 12, no more life expectancy of 40.

The childish idea of living forever loses a lot of its draw. People aren't as willing to subjugate themselves to such a regime in their personal lives, or even spend a lick of time or thought on it at all.

Atheism by default. Thanks to a better standard of living.

Keep running this program over 20 generations... the outcome is easy to predict. Religion becomes fringey and isolated to small communities that, naturally, fall behind the rest of us.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When we are finished in this world all will be revealed (I hope). The.questions that require.answering are.vast indeed and this doesn't even include the.curiousity I have for the universe.

A cool thing about never being able to learn everything is that you can learn something new whenever you feel inclined to do so. For the rest of your life.

 

[Woodznutz]

Near death experiencer and former Atheist Howard Storm specifically asked The Being of Light of near death experience fame why The Holocaust had been allowed to occur?

What he was told in reply does help us to understand why the horrors of history had been permitted. Our Creator is working out a Master Plan that will eventually make sense out of all terrible events of history.




Former Atheist and near death experiencer Ms. Beverly Broadsky also asked about the horrors of history during her near death experience and eventually all of her questions were answered to her satisfaction.

Beverly Brodsky’s Near-Death Experience​

BY KEVIN WILLIAMSPOSTED ON SEPTEMBER 27, 2019

Did he ask about the other 79 million killed in the war?

 

[DennisPTate]

Did he ask about the other 79 million killed in the war?

By implication, yes, and one of the answers that near death experiencers tend to be given is that our spirit or our soul, that part of us inside us that I believe was alive long before we were even conceived, volunteers to come back into this earth plane again and again across the spectrum of races and even theological backgrounds. Apparently our "over soul" or spirit does this in order to gain a higher level of empathy and compassion for groups of people that in another time and place we may have been taught that they were our enemies.

[John J. Davis, near death experiencer] :

Past Lives​

The next building he took me to was another large building with columns all along the front and the sides. He took me inside, and one of the rooms he took me to looked just like a theater, like we have today. There was a single movie screen in front, and my guide said, “I’m going to show you past lifetimes.” This was something I had a hard time with because, being a Catholic, being raised in the church and reading the Bible, there is no talk of past lifetimes. But the truth is, we are eternal. We exist forever; we never die. We can have many, many lifetimes—as many as we want. It’s totally up to us.

He said, “I’m going to show you some different lifetimes.” All of a sudden, the screen turned on, and the first life he showed me, I was a monk. I had a shaved head, and I was wearing a red gown or tunic, and I was teaching kids. In that lifetime, my job was to teach kids about life in a monastery. What was so interesting is I knew by looking at this where that lifetime occurred, and it was somewhere in Southeast Asia. Then it went blank.

Then the screen came on again, and he showed me another life. This time I was a shoe peddler. I had a little wheelbarrow with a bunch of shoes in it. My job in that lifetime was I fixed people’s shoes. I would go to their homes in the village, get the shoes they wanted me to fix, take them back to my shop, fix them, and then bring them back to the people. That was my job. That life took place somewhere in Eastern Europe. Then that life disappeared.

Then another life showed up, and this was of a fisherman. I was a fisherman in a little raggedy boat on a lake. I had nets, and I was tossing these nets into the water, and part of my job in that life was to help feed the community through catching fish. That lifetime happened somewhere in the Middle East.

That’s when I realized—wow—we really do have past lifetimes. We can have as many lifetimes as we want, or as few as we want. It’s totally up to us. That was the building where we go to view past lifetimes." [John J. Davis]
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Past Lives - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

The next building he took me to—and this is probably one of the most beautiful buildings that he showed me—was an absolutely beautiful round building...

johnjdavisnde.com

 

[DennisPTate]

I Iike the way they handled it in Oh God book 2:

• God: [answering Tracy's question about why there is so much suffering in the world] I know this sounds like a cop-out, Tracy, but there's nothing I can do about pain and suffering. It's built into the system.
• Tracy Richards: Which You invented.
• God: Right. But My problem was, I could never figure out how to build anything with just one side to it.
• Tracy Richards: One side?
• God: You ever see a front without a back?
• Tracy Richards: No.
• God: A top without a bottom?
• Tracy Richards: No.
• God: An up without a down?
• Tracy Richards: No.
• God: OK. Then there can't be good without bad, life without death, pleasure without pain. That's the way it is. If I take sad away, happy has to go with it.

That is certainly a funny way of handling such subjects.

Other near death experiencers are shown that humanity is in the process of rising up and we are about to rebel against the dark forces that have been doing psychological research on us and on our ancestors for millennia.

If you do a search for the statements by Satan in the Book of Job you will have a good idea about what Psychologist former Covering Cherub Helel , [Lucifer - Satan], wants to attempt to prove about us descendants of Adam and Eve.

9, Then Satan answered the Lord, “Does Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand.” So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord."
[Job 1]

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Then Satan answered the Lord, “Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life. 5 But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face.” 6 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your power; only spare his life.”
[Job 2]

My guess is that YHWH pointed out Job to Satan partly due to the possibility that Job may have been in a somewhat lukewarm or backslidden state spiritually like the Laodicean church. Or perhaps it was because the less of the life of Job really needed to be there for all of us to think about so that we recognize that what is happening in our lives may just be spiritual warfare, and might not simply be a reward for some sin that we did?

“And to the angel of the church in La-odice′a write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation.

15“‘I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were cold or hot! 16;So, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth. 17;For you say, I am rich, I have prospered, and I need nothing; not knowing that you are wretched, pitiable, poor, blind, and naked. 18;Therefore I counsel you to buy from me gold refined by fire, that you may be rich, and white garments to clothe you and to keep the shame of your nakedness from being seen, and salve to anoint your eyes, that you may see. 19;Those whom I love, I reprove and chasten; so be zealous and repent. 20Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me." [Revelation 3]

 

[shockedcanadian]

A cool thing about never being able to learn everything is that you can learn something new whenever you feel inclined to do so. For the rest of your life.

Some details are impossible to know until the next world beckons.

 

[Cougarbear]

You for one know? How do you know?

The Holy Ghost has witnessed this to me.

 

[Cougarbear]

So true!

And this is so completely thanks to newer, superior secular ideas that displaced old religious dogma and the regimes using it to justify their own grip on power.

The country you are sitting in right now comes to mind.

So, in an ironic twist, secular morality and ethics saved a spot for your religious morality to survive and to thrive.

All that is asked is that you return the favor, when asked. That's it. That's the contract.

You are attempting to say the old religious dogma is what the secularists used for their morality.

 

[DennisPTate]

I was given all the answers but dang, I forgot them.

Yes, before you were conceived you had access to essentially infinite knowledge of history and events of the past. The plan that you and YHWH and "The Spirit of Moshiach - Messiah, stored in Gan Eden" came up with together took into consideration all of the events of the past. YOU are an answer to colossal historical problems, issues and injustices.

Here may be one of the most simple and clear explanations that I have read lately.

[John J. Davis, near death experiencer] :

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Life Planning​

The next building he took me to—and this is probably one of the most beautiful buildings that he showed me—was an absolutely beautiful round building, a huge, absolutely gigantic building. There were columns all around the circumference of this building, and there was a big dome on top.

I don’t know why, but we go to this building every time we want to plan a new lifetime. It seems that is where you go with your guide, and you plan a lifetime. We go inside, and he takes me to a marble table. On this table, there is a scroll that looks like Egyptian papyrus, rolled up with a blue ribbon around it. My guide wanted me to know that every single one of us plans our lifetimes. None of our lives are accidents. We all have a reason for coming here. On these scrolls, we actually write down what we want to accomplish in that lifetime.

You plan things like what country you’re going to live in, who your parents are going to be, what language you’re going to learn. Are you going to have siblings? Are you going to go to a university? What’s your career going to be? All these things go into a lifetime.

Right about then, I took the ribbon off, and I unfolded the scroll onto the table. I could see so much writing that looked like it was done in calligraphy.

I tried to read what was on the scroll, and it rolled up. They wouldn’t let me read what I had written. The reason was, they didn’t want me to nullify any of the experiences I had planned for myself in this lifetime. My guide just wanted me to tell people that your life isn’t an accident. You really do plan things based on what you want to learn and grow from.

Right about then, I looked over to my right, and there was this huge, sprawling wall—it could have easily been miles long. And what was in this wall were scrolls. Every single person that was in a lifetime at that point had a scroll, and they were all on these walls. So whenever you finish your lifetime, you go back to this area, and you look at your scroll. I thought that was just extraordinary.

Past Lives - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

The next building he took me to—and this is probably one of the most beautiful buildings that he showed me—was an absolutely beautiful round building...

johnjdavisnde.com

[John J. Davis]​

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[pknopp]

Yes, before you were conceived you had access to essentially infinite knowledge of history and events of the past. The plan that you and YHWH and "The Spirit of Moshiach - Messiah, stored in Gan Eden" came up with together took into consideration all of the events of the past. YOU are an answer to colossal historical problems, issues and injustices.

Here may be one of the most simple and clear explanations that I have read lately.

Past Lives - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

The next building he took me to—and this is probably one of the most beautiful buildings that he showed me—was an absolutely beautiful round building...

johnjdavisnde.com

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Turtles all the way down.

 

[DennisPTate]

Some details are impossible to know until the next world beckons.

A near death experiencer named Kevin L. Zadai, during his 1992 brush with death was shown that in his thirty one years he had been basically thirty to thirty five percent obedient to the Holy Spirit over all. He was also shown that this was an extremely high level of obedience to the Holy Spirit. Dr. Zadai already had a doctorate in Theology and regularly spent his lunch money from the airline that he worked for on food for homeless people.
Dr. Zadai did not want to come back into this earth realm but Jesus talked him into doing it for the people who he would meet and be able to help them by giving them a prediction that Jesus promised to tell him at the right time.

 

[sealybobo]

I think you're right. I also think the biggest reason for that is that we have improved our standard of living.

So the desperation to "be in a better place" is fading. People can be more focused on enjoying this life, for exactly what it is worth as determined by themselves.

Now they don't as often need to look at their own, miserable life as a placeholder for the REAL life to come.

No more slaves, no more of Ma dying from stepping on a nail and having to raise children at age 12, no more life expectancy of 40.

The childish idea of living forever loses a lot of its draw. People aren't as willing to subjugate themselves to such a regime in their personal lives, or even spend a lick of time or thought on it at all.

Atheism by default. Thanks to a better standard of living.

Keep running this program over 20 generations... the outcome is easy to predict. Religion becomes fringey and isolated to small communities that, naturally, fall behind the rest of us.

I remember in the 90's the middle class was doing great. White people were becoming the minority for the first time. Minorities and women were doing better. Atheism was the fastest growing segment of the population. It seemed then like they were losing their power/control. But look at us now. They own the country. The religious right. And white men. Rich white men.

Notice not a lot of blacks in the Trump administration?

Anyways, I think organized religion is one of the ways they control us. The masses. The poor/middle class. They talk about deep state? Organized religion is meeting with Republicans for sure. Project 2025.

Will there ever be a resurgence of religion? I can't see that ever happening. I can't believe humans bought those stories for centuries. Completely made up stories. A person here yesterday told me they could for a fact tell me all the facts I need to know about the beginning and end times. In other words their bible s gospel. Fact. No it's not. So I asked them what evidence they have to show me. Let's see if they responded.

 

[Woodznutz]

A cool thing about never being able to learn everything is that you can learn something new whenever you feel inclined to do so. For the rest of your life.

True. Thank you Google and YouTube.

 

[Meriweather]

I remember in the 90's the middle class was doing great. White people were becoming the minority for the first time. Minorities and women were doing better. Atheism was the fastest growing segment of the population. It seemed then like they were losing their power/control. But look at us now. They own the country. The religious right. And white men. Rich white men.

Why do you want any group to be the minority? It's not as if not being in a minority group means that there are not lots of poor people in the majority group--and it doesn't mean that there are not rich people in the minority.

Notice not a lot of blacks in the Trump administration?

Twenty-five percent of Black African Americans and 25% of non-whites are "not a lot". What do you consider a lot? What percentage of people in the Trump administration do you see as not being qualified for the position they hold? If you dare to come up with that percentage, would you dare to say what percentage of those you deem unqualified are non-white?

Anyways, I think organized religion is one of the ways they control us. The masses. The poor/middle class. They talk about deep state? Organized religion is meeting with Republicans for sure. Project 2025.

Will there ever be a resurgence of religion? I can't see that ever happening. I can't believe humans bought those stories for centuries. Completely made up stories. A person here yesterday told me they could for a fact tell me all the facts I need to know about the beginning and end times. In other words their bible s gospel. Fact. No it's not. So I asked them what evidence they have to show me. Let's see if they responded.

Do you believe organized religion has more "control" over the masses than political parties? Do you believe public education is all about "control" over the masses? What about the news media? Does the news medial exist to "control" the masses? Is it therefore your conclusion that uneducated atheists who take no interest in politics/voting, and never watch or read the news are the only people who have control of their own lives?

I propose another way of thinking. People are unique individuals and few, if any, are "controlled". Could it be some use the word "controlled" because they know all object to being "controlled" so your control over the masses is to broadcast someone else is controlling them?

The word you want regarding the unique human race is influence. Who/what influences people, forming them into groups--already organized groups that those in power/running for office seek to manipulate, find ways to manipulate? It is the few in power that seek control over already formed groups whose lives are influenced by education, faith, political positions, keeping themselves informed on what is going on in their part or the world, and the world at large.

 

[Woodznutz]

No one controls Americans. We are an uncontrolled and uncontrollable mob.

Whites are not a minority. We have gone from majority to plurality.

 

[sealybobo]

Why do you want any group to be the minority? It's not as if not being in a minority group means that there are not lots of poor people in the majority group--and it doesn't mean that there are not rich people in the minority.


Twenty-five percent of Black African Americans and 25% of non-whites are "not a lot". What do you consider a lot? What percentage of people in the Trump administration do you see as not being qualified for the position they hold? If you dare to come up with that percentage, would you dare to say what percentage of those you deem unqualified are non-white?


Do you believe organized religion has more "control" over the masses than political parties? Do you believe public education is all about "control" over the masses? What about the news media? Does the news medial exist to "control" the masses? Is it therefore your conclusion that uneducated atheists who take no interest in politics/voting, and never watch or read the news are the only people who have control of their own lives?

I propose another way of thinking. People are unique individuals and few, if any, are "controlled". Could it be some use the word "controlled" because they know all object to being "controlled" so your control over the masses is to broadcast someone else is controlling them?

The word you want regarding the unique human race is influence. Who/what influences people, forming them into groups--already organized groups that those in power/running for office seek to manipulate, find ways to manipulate? It is the few in power that seek control over already formed groups whose lives are influenced by education, faith, political positions, keeping themselves informed on what is going on in their part or the world, and the world at large.

All I know is during Plato and Socrates time the people in power had two choices. Should they give the masses Democracy and Science or Religion and Slavery.

During Socrates' life (c. 470–399 BCE), ancient Athens was a direct democracy and a prominent slave-holding society, and traditional Greek religion was central to public life.
Socrates lived in democratic Athens but was a vocal critic of the system. He believed that voting was a skill requiring deep rational thought and education, not a right to be given to all citizens by birthright. He argued that allowing uneducated people to choose a city's leaders was as irresponsible as letting an untrained person captain a ship. His critical views on democracy and his association with anti-democratic figures, like Critias and Alcibiades, likely contributed to the political climate that led to his trial and execution by a democratic court for impiety and corrupting the youth.
By the mid-5th century BCE, a law change required that a man's mother and father both had to be Athenian citizens for him to be considered a citizen with full political rights

 

[Woodznutz]

All I know is during Plato and Socrates time the people in power had two choices. Should they give the masses Democracy and Science or Religion and Slavery.

During Socrates' life (c. 470–399 BCE), ancient Athens was a direct democracy and a prominent slave-holding society, and traditional Greek religion was central to public life.
Socrates lived in democratic Athens but was a vocal critic of the system. He believed that voting was a skill requiring deep rational thought and education, not a right to be given to all citizens by birthright. He argued that allowing uneducated people to choose a city's leaders was as irresponsible as letting an untrained person captain a ship. His critical views on democracy and his association with anti-democratic figures, like Critias and Alcibiades, likely contributed to the political climate that led to his trial and execution by a democratic court for impiety and corrupting the youth.
By the mid-5th century BCE, a law change required that a man's mother and father both had to be Athenian citizens for him to be considered a citizen with full political rights

People vote their personal interests.

Republicans: Save the Republic
Democrats: Free stuff.