NC has responded to the Feds

[kaz]

When you come to North Carolina (I live here), it's up to the owner.

So if I own a business I can demand someone prove their gender before I let them into my bathroom?

Of course, why wouldn't you be able to do that? It's your property therefore you are well within your rights as the owner of said property to specify who can use it and how they can use it based on any criteria you see fit to apply.

I'm sure no one in NC would abuse that power and apply it to someone's race or ethnicity.

So what if they do? They'd just be putting themselves at a significant competitive disadvantage in the market but again it's their property so it's their choice.

Exactly. That's why even the deep south had to enact Jim Crow ... laws. The only bigotry businesses have was the color green

 

[SwimExpert]

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

False ! Nice dodge though

I'm not joking. Can you show a single physics experiment to support what you are saying? Is there a chemical formula? Maybe a fossil?

The "science" of which you speak is nothing more than a belief within the psychology field. Psychology is, by definition, a pseudo science. Well enough, in and of itself. But that warrants a special level of critical review. The origin of the idea that there is this thing called "gender" that is distinct from biological sex is based on nothing more than people saying that feel like it is true.

Shrink 1: Hey guys, I've had all these transgender patients, and they keep saying that they feel like they're in the wrong bodies.
Shrink 2: Yep, that's what mine say too.
Shrink 3: Oh! So, let's say they are in the wrong body. We've separated sexual attraction from gender. What if we start looking at gender as arbitrary. Something that happens regardless of your gender.
Shrink 2: How do we do that? How does gender not equal gender anymore?
Shrink 3: Well, we have to make it abstract. Kinda like the idea of a spirit or soul. What if your soul has a gender, but your body doesn't necessarily have the same gender?
Shrink 1: And how in the world do we describe that?
Shrink 3: This is what we do....from now on we'll use 'sex' to describe biological gender. And we'll use 'gender' to describe a soul's gender, or a person's 'true' gender.
Shrink 1: Don't you think this is a little....well, a bit of a stretch? I mean, what are we basing this off of?
Shrink 3: We're basing it off of our observations from our patients, of course! You're not judging your patients, are you? Are you letting your personal feelings effect the way you treat your patients?
Shrink 1: What? No! Of course not!
Shrink 3: Okay, so let's take a vote. Who votes in favor of saying gender and sex are different things?
Shrink 1: I vote no, because I don't see any convincing evidence of a causal relationship.
Shrink 2: I vote yes, because it's a useful way to describe our observations, even if it doesn't explain why.
Shrink 3: I vote yes because it's definitely the reason why, and we need to make sure people think so too!

Shrink 3: The American School of Sychologists announces a consensus is that gender and sex are two different things.

You: Look, science backs it up!

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

Did you have a point in posting this link?

 

[daws101]

This is where the stupid PA laws have led us.

stupid because they don't benefit you?

So you support inequality?

no but you do .
every time you say stupid shit like go to their assigned bathrooms you are supporting inequality and authoritarianism ,
every statement you make on the subject is crammed full of it .
when you talk about freedom its a fucking joke

assigned bathrooms are authoritarian and inequal? You are so fuckin stupid.
True story bro. Stupid as fuck.

yep! if you believe in freedom they are or as I already knew you have no fucking clue as to what you claim to support,

 

[daws101]

False ! Nice dodge though

I'm not joking. Can you show a single physics experiment to support what you are saying? Is there a chemical formula? Maybe a fossil?

The "science" of which you speak is nothing more than a belief within the psychology field. Psychology is, by definition, a pseudo science. Well enough, in and of itself. But that warrants a special level of critical review. The origin of the idea that there is this thing called "gender" that is distinct from biological sex is based on nothing more than people saying that feel like it is true.

Shrink 1: Hey guys, I've had all these transgender patients, and they keep saying that they feel like they're in the wrong bodies.
Shrink 2: Yep, that's what mine say too.
Shrink 3: Oh! So, let's say they are in the wrong body. We've separated sexual attraction from gender. What if we start looking at gender as arbitrary. Something that happens regardless of your gender.
Shrink 2: How do we do that? How does gender not equal gender anymore?
Shrink 3: Well, we have to make it abstract. Kinda like the idea of a spirit or soul. What if your soul has a gender, but your body doesn't necessarily have the same gender?
Shrink 1: And how in the world do we describe that?
Shrink 3: This is what we do....from now on we'll use 'sex' to describe biological gender. And we'll use 'gender' to describe a soul's gender, or a person's 'true' gender.
Shrink 1: Don't you think this is a little....well, a bit of a stretch? I mean, what are we basing this off of?
Shrink 3: We're basing it off of our observations from our patients, of course! You're not judging your patients, are you? Are you letting your personal feelings effect the way you treat your patients?
Shrink 1: What? No! Of course not!
Shrink 3: Okay, so let's take a vote. Who votes in favor of saying gender and sex are different things?
Shrink 1: I vote no, because I don't see any convincing evidence of a causal relationship.
Shrink 2: I vote yes, because it's a useful way to describe our observations, even if it doesn't explain why.
Shrink 3: I vote yes because it's definitely the reason why, and we need to make sure people think so too!

Shrink 3: The American School of Sychologists announces a consensus is that gender and sex are two different things.

You: Look, science backs it up!

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

showcasing your stupidity for all to see .....

you said the guy was false about claiming pseudo science, and you go and post a link full of it.
MORON

again proving your stupidity .

Psychology

Psychology is the study of behavior and mind, embracing all aspects of human experience. It is an academic discipline and an applied science which seeks to understand individuals and groups by establishing general principles and researching specific cases.
Psychology is the study of behavior and mind, embracing all aspects of human experience. It is an academic discipline and an applied science which seeks to understand individuals and groups by establishing general principles and resear…
en.wikipedia.org · Text under CC-BY-SA license

this is almost too easy ! fun though!

 

[daws101]

This is where the stupid PA laws have led us.

stupid because they don't benefit you?

Stupid because they force people to work for people they don't want to work for, and because they only provide protection against certain discrimination.

PA laws are by their very nature a violation of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.

false . love the mis representation

 

[daws101]

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

False ! Nice dodge though

I'm not joking. Can you show a single physics experiment to support what you are saying? Is there a chemical formula? Maybe a fossil?

The "science" of which you speak is nothing more than a belief within the psychology field. Psychology is, by definition, a pseudo science. Well enough, in and of itself. But that warrants a special level of critical review. The origin of the idea that there is this thing called "gender" that is distinct from biological sex is based on nothing more than people saying that feel like it is true.

Shrink 1: Hey guys, I've had all these transgender patients, and they keep saying that they feel like they're in the wrong bodies.
Shrink 2: Yep, that's what mine say too.
Shrink 3: Oh! So, let's say they are in the wrong body. We've separated sexual attraction from gender. What if we start looking at gender as arbitrary. Something that happens regardless of your gender.
Shrink 2: How do we do that? How does gender not equal gender anymore?
Shrink 3: Well, we have to make it abstract. Kinda like the idea of a spirit or soul. What if your soul has a gender, but your body doesn't necessarily have the same gender?
Shrink 1: And how in the world do we describe that?
Shrink 3: This is what we do....from now on we'll use 'sex' to describe biological gender. And we'll use 'gender' to describe a soul's gender, or a person's 'true' gender.
Shrink 1: Don't you think this is a little....well, a bit of a stretch? I mean, what are we basing this off of?
Shrink 3: We're basing it off of our observations from our patients, of course! You're not judging your patients, are you? Are you letting your personal feelings effect the way you treat your patients?
Shrink 1: What? No! Of course not!
Shrink 3: Okay, so let's take a vote. Who votes in favor of saying gender and sex are different things?
Shrink 1: I vote no, because I don't see any convincing evidence of a causal relationship.
Shrink 2: I vote yes, because it's a useful way to describe our observations, even if it doesn't explain why.
Shrink 3: I vote yes because it's definitely the reason why, and we need to make sure people think so too!

Shrink 3: The American School of Sychologists announces a consensus is that gender and sex are two different things.

You: Look, science backs it up!

http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx

Did you have a point in posting this link?

refuting your bullshit ,,,

 

[TNHarley]

 

[Ravi]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

 

[SwimExpert]

refuting your bullshit ,,,

Well then, you might want to try something that isn't so 100% consistent with my "bullshit."

You know, I'm a little disappointed. You're one of the more level headed people around here. I would think you would respect me enough to distinguish between my bullshit that I feed the morons, and times when you and I have an honest difference of opinion.

Don't get me wrong, if you like pie, you know I can serve it up. I just thought of you as more of a chicken and rice type.

 

[kaz]

When you come to North Carolina (I live here), it's up to the owner.

So if I own a business I can demand someone prove their gender before I let them into my bathroom? I'm sure no one in NC would abuse that power and apply it to someone's race or ethnicity.

As for the sexual predator, what if it's not you, it's your daughter, she's alone in the bathroom and the sexual predator who just flat out looks and acts like a guy because he's not a transgender walks past a bunch of adults into the bathroom with your daughter because they aren't allowed to question it? But hey, he wouldn't do anything, right? There are "laws" to protect her ...

So the answer to ineffectual laws is another law? What would Einstein say?

So if laws are ineffectual, why are you the one who wants a law? I want no law, I want it up to the owner of the bathroom, which is what the NC law says.

I like how when you want a law to regulate, that's me wanting a law, and you want the law while you call laws ineffective. Maybe you need a little more time to get your story together

That's not ALL the NC states bro. It also states that in actual PUBLIC bathrooms you must use the correct gender bathroom. To me , this was a stupid fight to pick. EVERY government building has multiple bathrooms, just designate one or two as gender free and go on. No need for that portion of the law.

I said the owner of the bathroom gets to decide. How does when government is the owner government gets to decide a violation of that? I don't give a shit what government does to itself, we need to slash and burn it already

 

[kaz]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Is that related to the liberal disease of Gender Hysteria?

 

[kaz]

When you come to North Carolina (I live here), it's up to the owner.

So if I own a business I can demand someone prove their gender before I let them into my bathroom? I'm sure no one in NC would abuse that power and apply it to someone's race or ethnicity.

As for the sexual predator, what if it's not you, it's your daughter, she's alone in the bathroom and the sexual predator who just flat out looks and acts like a guy because he's not a transgender walks past a bunch of adults into the bathroom with your daughter because they aren't allowed to question it? But hey, he wouldn't do anything, right? There are "laws" to protect her ...

So the answer to ineffectual laws is another law? What would Einstein say?

So if laws are ineffectual, why are you the one who wants a law? I want no law, I want it up to the owner of the bathroom, which is what the NC law says.

I like how when you want a law to regulate, that's me wanting a law, and you want the law while you call laws ineffective. Maybe you need a little more time to get your story together

That's not ALL the NC states bro. It also states that in actual PUBLIC bathrooms you must use the correct gender bathroom. To me , this was a stupid fight to pick. EVERY government building has multiple bathrooms, just designate one or two as gender free and go on. No need for that portion of the law.

BTW, I like your proposal

 

[Ravi]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Is that related to the liberal disease of Gender Hysteria?

No, there is no such disease. There is a conservative disease called Terrified of Men that Think They are Women.

 

[SwimExpert]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Actually, it doesn't. It says exactly what I've said. That it's nothing more than a feeling. There is no scientific information that there is anything more to it than individual's subjective feelings. And there is nothing that indicates that the concept of a gender identity distinct from biological sex has any merits beyond some people claiming to have said feelings.

 

[kaz]

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Is that related to the liberal disease of Gender Hysteria?

No, there is no such disease. There is a conservative disease called Terrified of Men that Think They are Women.

You actually don't understand the discussion, you're not faking, are you? Here's a ball, look, it's bouncy. Run along and play

 

[Fair&Balanced]

This is where the stupid PA laws have led us.

stupid because they don't benefit you?

Stupid because they force people to work for people they don't want to work for, and because they only provide protection against certain discrimination.

PA laws are by their very nature a violation of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.

false . love the mis representation

How is it false?

Look at federal PA laws, are gays afforded the same protections as the disabled? Nope.

 

[Ravi]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Actually, it doesn't. It says exactly what I've said. That it's nothing more than a feeling. There is no scientific information that there is anything more to it than individual's subjective feelings. And there is nothing that indicates that the concept of a gender identity distinct from biological sex has any merits beyond some people claiming to have said feelings.

Do you also think depression is just a subjective feeling?

 

[Fair&Balanced]

Science supports them .
Damn you're ignorant.

No, it doesn't. But that's okay.

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Actually, it doesn't. It says exactly what I've said. That it's nothing more than a feeling. There is no scientific information that there is anything more to it than individual's subjective feelings. And there is nothing that indicates that the concept of a gender identity distinct from biological sex has any merits beyond some people claiming to have said feelings.

It's a perversion, as is homosexuality. I personally defend their rights to be as perverted as they wish to be. Which does not give them license then to violate the rights of others.

I just don't get it. It's MY business and yet liberals insist that rather than me having a right to do business with whom I choose, others have a right to make me do business with them. It's completely ass backwards.

 

[Ravi]

Yes it does.

No. Sorry, you've been lied to with invented pseudo science.

WebMD disagrees with you.

What Is Gender Dysphoria?

Is that related to the liberal disease of Gender Hysteria?

No, there is no such disease. There is a conservative disease called Terrified of Men that Think They are Women.

You actually don't understand the discussion, you're not faking, are you? Here's a ball, look, it's bouncy. Run along and play

Still waiting for you to let us know how this will be verified. People looking down pants at the entrance to the toilet? DNA test?

 

[kaz]

This is where the stupid PA laws have led us.

stupid because they don't benefit you?

Stupid because they force people to work for people they don't want to work for, and because they only provide protection against certain discrimination.

PA laws are by their very nature a violation of the equal protection clause of the COTUS.

false . love the mis representation

How is it false?

Look at federal PA laws, are gays afforded the same protections as the disabled? Nope.

The only PA laws that should exist are that government and government controlled monopolies (electric, post office, ...) should be prohibited from discrimination