NATO Is panicking after Russia’s Kinzhal hypersonic Missiles smashed Kiev’s Patriots

[Silver Cat]

Well, there was a report of the Ukrainian military that they shoot down six Kinzhals at this day. Maybe the Russians really fired that number of the rockets and some of them hit the target.

The Russians have only four MiG-31K, so, they can't launch more that four Kinzhals in a salvo.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Baron is a Rodina prick propagandist.

Ukraine air defenses continue to give Rodina a bad time.

 

[para bellum]

The Russians have only four MiG-31K, so, they can't launch more that four Kinzhals in a salvo.

In an interview in 2018 for Zvezda TV, the Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borosov said there were 10x MiG-31's that had already been modified to carry the missile.

According to Jane's Air Launched Weapons the TU-22M3M can carry them, and that's been reported in Ukraine as well.

"The Tu-22M3M, along with its M3 predecessor and MiG-31K, will be among the handful of currently operational Russian aircraft confirmed to be compatible with the nuclear-capable, Mach 10 speed Kh-47 “Kinzhal” missile unveiled at Russian President Vladimir Putin’s 2018 address to the federal assembly."

Meet Russia's 'New' Tu-22M3M Bomber: "A Nasty Surprise for the U.S. Navy"

The Russian air force is scheduled to start taking Tu-22M3M deliveries in 2021, while dozens of Tu-22M3’s will be retrofitted with the M3M upgrade package over the coming years.

nationalinterest.org

 

[Mushroom]

Target update sent to missile how???

Through the RADAR beam itself.

Think of it as a cat chasing a LASER pointer.

 

[para bellum]

Through the RADAR beam itself.

Think of it as a cat chasing a LASER pointer.

That's how SARH works, but the missile still transmits TVM data back to the RS. It's a 2-way link.

 

[ESay]

But, for a some reason Zelenskiy is still not returning in Ukraine. Funny, isn't it?
It's stupid - just to scratch a roof of a building.
Killing Zelenskiy will be much more interesting thing. And he knows it.

No, it isn't funny. At the time of the attack he was in Finland and then moved to the Netherlands. Returned back to Kiev.

On 13th of May he moved to Italy and then to Germany, France and the UK. Returned to Kiev.

On 19th of May he moved to Saudi Arabia and then to Japan.

 

[ESay]

The Russians have only four MiG-31K, so, they can't launch more that four Kinzhals in a salvo.

1. Your number is not reliable.

2. TU-22M3 can carry Kinzhals.

 

[Mushroom]

That's how SARH works, but the missile still transmits TVM data back to the RS. It's a 2-way link.

Remember, I am simplifying things. But if somebody looks at the RADAR itself, there are multiple antennas there.

In most ways, it is largely a smaller and simplified mobile version of the AN/SPY-1 AEGIS system that is outfitted in ships. The early phases of the test program actually used the unit from the LLS-1 "USS Desert Ship" as their first unit in the late "proof of concept" phase.

And not sure which manual that is from, but most likely from the mid to late 1990s as it is discussing the first generation of GEM. Even that missile is being phased out (if it is not gone already), and is really only used now against aircraft.

The giveaway is the "warhead", as the system has increasingly moved away from warheads over the decades. It has pretty much migrated to a kinetic kill weapon.

 

[para bellum]

Remember, I am simplifying things. But if somebody looks at the RADAR itself, there are multiple antennas there.

Right. That's what I was referring to when I said:
"edit to add: I found my answer, you're right. The TVM downlink and Command uplink are Tx/Rx via the radar set, not the AMG like I was assuming."

And not sure which manual that is from, but most likely from the mid to late 1990s as it is discussing the first generation of GEM.

Yes, it's old. FM 44-100-2, however old that is.

It mentions PAC-3 but in the future-tense (it will...)

 

[Mushroom]

It mentions PAC-3 but in the future-tense (it will...)

Which was the first in a series of missiles that were largely or entirely kinetic kill weapons.

GEM+, PAC-3, GEM-T and GEM-C all followed. Each more and more finely tuned against specific threats. The missile that is talking about is the original GEM, also sometimes later called the GEM- to differentiate it from the GEM+.

But the way the system operates in general is still largely the same as when it was first tested in 1975.

 

[Silver Cat]

1. Your number is not reliable.

It's reliable enough.

2. TU-22M3 can carry Kinzhals.

They didn't participate in this attack.

 

[Donald H]

Just imagine what would happen if Russian Kinzhals carry nukes.
Any western country including USA is gone
Due to imbecile satanic 'politicians' western countries have already lost more as $3.5 trillion in Ukraine
Money hardly earned by taxpayers, not by ****** 'politicians'
MS whore presstitutes brainwash us 24/7 Russia is almost done.
Really?
Both MS presstitues and Patriots belong to trash bins
And lying corrupted sexual deviant perverse scum aka 'politicians' ( piss be upon all of them and their f..... 'parties' ) to Hell


Russia just proved that its hypersonic missiles can pierce NATO’s defenses with ease, thus representing a military game-changer and possibly even soon a diplomatic one too if the West realizes that it’s better to agree to a ceasefire after the end of Kiev’s upcoming counteroffensive than escalate their proxy war on Russia to a conventional one in pursuit of that targeted Great Power’s “Balkanization”.

The fake news that circulated earlier this month alleging that Kiev’s Patriots shot down one of Russia’s Kinzhal hypersonic missiles has become even more ridiculous in the days after since they’re now claiming that another six were supposedly downed during a recent strike. The Mainstream Media’s (MSM) laundering of these lies isn’t just due to them taking everything their Ukrainian proxies say at face value, but even includes their own military experts actively contributing to this disinformation campaign.

The US’ Patriots lack the technical capabilities to track and intercept hypersonic projectiles, but that isn’t anything for them to be embarrassed about since there doesn’t presently exist any air defense system in the world that could do this. The West’s problem is therefore one of perceptions, however, since the MSM hyped up their deployment to Ukraine to the point where the public expected that former Soviet Republic to become invulnerable to any Russian strikes.

The Kremlin was aware of the West’s soft power interests in transferring this equipment there, hence why it cleverly decided to include several hypersonic missiles in its latest spree of strikes against military targets, knowing that there was no way that they’d be intercepted and thus discrediting their opponents. Not only that, but they even managed to destroy five launchers and a multifunctional radar on 16 May according to the Russian Ministry of Defense’s report that was shared the day after.

Footage of that night’s strikes subsequently appeared on social media, after which those who shared such were detained by the Ukrainian secret police on the pretext that this could have helped Russia’s military-intelligence services. In reality, Kiev was left flustered after that same footage showed how many millions of dollars’ worth of air defense missiles were wasted in trying to shoot down the Kinzhals. The US also confirmed that the Patriots were indeed damaged but denied that any of them were destroyed.

Nevertheless, the public was able to see for themselves just how desperate Kiev was to intercept those hypersonic projectiles, and many interpreted America’s confirmation that the Patriots were damaged as a limited hangout to deflect from their suspicions that they were actually destroyed. 16 May will therefore be seen in hindsight as a pivotal turning point in popular perceptions since Russia’s claim that its Kinzhals smashed the Patriots is believed by a growing number of people after watching that footage.

This poses a major reputational problem for the West, which claims to be able to defend its people in the event of any contingency, especially the worst-case one of the NATO-Russian proxy war in Ukraine turning into a direct conventional conflict between those two. Nobody who saw Tuesday night’s footage and heard about Russia’s achievement the day after can say with confidence that they still believe in the viability of their side’s air defenses since they’ve now been exposed as worthless by the Kinzhals.

The Kremlin currently wields a monopoly on this game-changing military technology after being the first country in the world to produce these missiles and then use them in battle, which means that it can pierce NATO’s Patriot-centric air defenses with ease in the worst-case scenario described above. The preceding observation about the US’ struggle to compete with Russia in this respect isn’t so-called “propaganda” like skeptics might claim but was confirmed by The Hill two months ago.

In their piece on 14 March explaining “Why the US is going full throttle on hypersonic missiles”, they wrote that “The United States is opening the throttle in its push to develop and procure hypersonic missiles after falling behind key foreign adversaries China and Russia in the race to field a potentially game-changing defense system”, adding that “the Defense Department has not fielded the weapons yet, and there remain challenges in the industrial production base and with testing infrastructure.”

Most damning of all, The Hill also informed their audience that “Not even the U.S. currently has an adequate defense system to take down hypersonic missiles. Air defense systems, such as Patriots and Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense, are capable of taking down ballistic missiles that reach hypersonic speeds, but only over small areas.” That “politically inconvenient” fact not only discredits this month’s disinformation campaign, but also reaffirms Russia’s military dominance in the hypersonic domain.

Simply put, the Kremlin has full confidence that its Kinzhals would successfully reach all their targets in the worst-case scenario of a conventional NATO-Russian war, thus meaning that Moscow could in theory destroy the West’s nuclear second-strike capabilities if it carried out a first strike to preempt its enemies’. Its achievement the other day in Kiev where it destroyed five Patriot launchers and a multifunctional radar sent shivers down the spines of NATO’s warmongers and sobered them up to what they’re facing.

Any thoughts they might have had of trying to “Balkanize” Russia by conventional military means as a last resort upon the failure of their Ukrainian-fronted Hybrid War to this end instantly evaporated since they realized that it could provoke the Kremlin into destroying the West out of self-defense. To be sure, some of their second-strike capabilities would likely remain intact and thus be used against Russia, but the point is that Moscow could first inflict unacceptable damage to them if it’s pushed to do so.

Despite popular claims to the contrary from many of the Alt-Media Community’s top influencers, NATO isn’t “insane” in the sense of its leaders willing to sacrifice themselves as long as their deaths resulted in dismembering Russia. Like all elites, they want to live as long as possible, hence why they’ll now think twice about indulging in the neoconservative fantasy of resorting to conventional means to “Balkanize” that targeted Great Power upon the failure of their proxy war on it through Ukraine to that end.

In practical terms, this suggests that they might be more amenable to a ceasefire once Kiev’s NATO-backed counteroffensive ends by this winter, thus raising the prospects that the upcoming African-led peace mission to Russia and Ukraine could earn their approval and lead to Kiev agreeing to these terms. The leading Anglo-American Axis within NATO could never endorse the parallel Chinese-led initiative so it therefore follows that the African-led one could give them a “face-saving” way to support a ceasefire.

It's premature to predict this latest initiative’s success or lack therefore, but the relevance of this development to the present piece is that it can help give NATO an “exit strategy” from this proxy war after its leaders just realized how suicidal it would be to escalate it to a conventional one. Russia’s Kinzhals smashed their Patriots in Kiev, which proved that the Kremlin can piece the West’s air defenses with ease, thus representing both a military game-changer and possibly even a diplomatic one soon too.

NATO Is Panicking After Russia’s Kinzhal Hypersonic Missiles Smashed Kiev’s Patriots

Russia just proved that its hypersonic missiles can pierce NATO’s defenses with ease, thus representing a military game-changer and possibly even soon a diplomatic one too if the West realizes that it’s better to agree to a ceasefire after the end of Kiev’s upcoming counteroffensive than...

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That definitely seems to be the real story on the destruction of 3 Patriot systems.

I would lean toward the possibiity that the Patriots can be effective if around 30 are launched against the Kinzhal to stop it by chance or luck.

This then leads to the question of what will be the outcome if 30 Kinzhals are launched at once, carrying nuclear warheads.

My reason for my guess is that there's no way it can be denied that America is franticaly attempting to develop it's own hypersonic weapons. It's not possible to hide that!

Maybe we can ask a military expert on missile technology?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

EVADING

Make peace, you fools!

 

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NATO Is panicking after Russia’s Kinzhal hypersonic Missiles smashed Kiev’s Patriots​

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If Putin uses even a tacnuke, St Petersburg to Moscow becomes molten glass.

 

[Mushroom]

That definitely seems to be the real story on the destruction of 3 Patriot systems.

They were not destroyed, only damaged. They were operational again a few hours later.

I would lean toward the possibiity that the Patriots can be effective if around 30 are launched against the Kinzhal to stop it by chance or luck.

That is known as a "missile swarm". And that would actually be hard for Russia to do as it would be a major air operation involving a dozen or more attack aircraft to pull off (more than likely over 2 dozen).

The main platform for the Kh-47 is the MiG-31 Foxhound. And it can only carry one of those.

This then leads to the question of what will be the outcome if 30 Kinzhals are launched at once, carrying nuclear warheads.

Well, at that point it is stupid for multiple reasons.

First, the moment that happens it is no longer a war, it is a nuclear war.

Secondly, there are a lot more systems that are far more effective at putting a nuke on target than a Kh-47.

My reason for my guess is that there's no way it can be denied that America is franticaly attempting to develop it's own hypersonic weapons. It's not possible to hide that!

Maybe we can ask a military expert on missile technology?

Sure, the US looked into it back in the 1970's. Actually did testing on it, and ultimately discarded it as a rather silly idea that had no real purpose.

I can only imagine you do not really know what "hypersonic" missiles are. They are not traditional missiles, they are simply air launched ballistic missiles. They are not something like a high speed TOMAHAWK, not even close. They literally are a missile that is launched from a plane, then after reaching high speed climbs to high altitude before releasing the warhead, just as in the case of any other ballistic missile. They then fall from a high angle, no different than the V-2 of WWII or the SCUD of Gulf War I and II.

And there is no need to "hide", the US did it back in 1974. And they do play with the idea on occasion, but I can't see the US ever implementing one for multiple reasons.

First of all, if we ever bring the INF treaty back they would have to be destroyed. Therefore that would be a waste of money.

And secondly, the way the missiles operate. Hypersonic flight can only occur at very high altitudes. And that makes the very easy to detect from extreme ranges. The US has always preferred to operate its penetration systems (manned or unmanned) with a "low and slow" flight profile. That is why although the TOMAHAWK and B-1 can operate at high altitudes, the penetration profile for going into hostile territory was always to do it as low to the ground as possible to prevent detection and interception. One reason why it is so hard to intercept either is that they are so low that there simply is not enough time for most air defense systems to react to them before they are gone.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Russians are about to be pushed into Russia, where they belong.

 

[Ringo]

Russians are about to be pushed into Russia, where they belong.

Well, well, what we have here, Putin's russophile. Listen, commi, so-called Russia doesn't belong to the russians, the russians are too backward subhumans to not only own anything, but to exist at all. Any progressive western scientist will tell you that.

 

[Litwin]

NATO Is panicking after Russia

how many ivan dirty dicks have you sucked today ? Natasha ?

 

[Litwin]

Russians are about to be pushed into Russia, where they belong.

yes

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