NATO helped trigger the war in Ukraine

[cvs22]

One can of course understand both NATO and Moscow but that these moves by NATO would result in Moscow going to war is not hard to see. Then there are those in NATO who actually wants this conflict in Ukraine i´m told.

Can we discuss why? Money?

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA to bolster Ukraine are just now becoming apparent.

www.theamericanconservative.com

"The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests.

Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.

The CIA “made a series of covert moves that have helped prepare the Ukrainian security services for the current crisis. Shortly after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the agency initiated secret paramilitary training programs for Ukrainian special operations personnel in the U.S. and on Ukraine’s former eastern front.”"

 

[konradv]

What bull! That’s like an abuser saying the victim made them do it. Abusers always have excuses, but it makes wonder what the motives of the enablers are.

 

[konradv]

One can of course understand both NATO and Moscow but that these moves by NATO would result in Moscow going to war is not hard to see. Then there are those in NATO who actually wants this conflict in Ukraine i´m told.

Can we discuss why? Money?

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA to bolster Ukraine are just now becoming apparent.

www.theamericanconservative.com

"The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests.

Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.

The CIA “made a series of covert moves that have helped prepare the Ukrainian security services for the current crisis. Shortly after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the agency initiated secret paramilitary training programs for Ukrainian special operations personnel in the U.S. and on Ukraine’s former eastern front.”"

What bull! That’s like an abuser saying the victim made them do it. Abusers always have excuses, but it makes wonder what the motives of the enablers are.

 

[cvs22]

What bull! That’s like an abuser saying the victim made them do it. Abusers always have excuses, but it makes wonder what the motives of the enablers are.

Only Russians conspire? Everyone else like cute kittens on Facebook?

 

[cvs22]

I suppose there can be many reasons. Natural gas? Neon gas? Middle east? Central bank money?

 

[cvs22]

Some clues perhaps. Not specualting. I know not only Putin wanted this. Just wonder who they are and why.

Winners take all: in some markets, Ukraine war sparks boom

From European banks to the Polish zloty, Moscow's invasion of Ukraine has triggered massive price falls as well as a number of winners in assets that investors are racing to stock up on.

www.reuters.com

 

[cvs22]

Interesting that the decline in S&P500 stopped when the war started.

 

[busybee01]

One can of course understand both NATO and Moscow but that these moves by NATO would result in Moscow going to war is not hard to see. Then there are those in NATO who actually wants this conflict in Ukraine i´m told.

Can we discuss why? Money?

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA to bolster Ukraine are just now becoming apparent.

www.theamericanconservative.com

"The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests.

Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.

The CIA “made a series of covert moves that have helped prepare the Ukrainian security services for the current crisis. Shortly after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the agency initiated secret paramilitary training programs for Ukrainian special operations personnel in the U.S. and on Ukraine’s former eastern front.”"

You are another Putin puppet. Nothing but lies. Putin could have entered talks to a mutual non-aggression pact. Putin is a thug who only believes in military might.

 

[cvs22]

You are another Putin puppet. Nothing but lies. Putin could have entered talks to a mutual non-aggression pact. Putin is a thug who only believes in military might.

Papers mean very little when you have missiles pointed at you. Sure Putin is a thug but why do you believe that people in Washington and NATO are better? Some are absolutely not.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

One can of course understand both NATO and Moscow but that these moves by NATO would result in Moscow going to war is not hard to see. Then there are those in NATO who actually wants this conflict in Ukraine i´m told.

Can we discuss why? Money?

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA to bolster Ukraine are just now becoming apparent.

www.theamericanconservative.com

"The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests.

Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.

The CIA “made a series of covert moves that have helped prepare the Ukrainian security services for the current crisis. Shortly after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the agency initiated secret paramilitary training programs for Ukrainian special operations personnel in the U.S. and on Ukraine’s former eastern front.”"

Postmodern Means a Return to the Pre-Modern

The Russians are the strongest, proudest, and most independent White people. In order to create a One-World Order, the Glowbully elite need to reduce Whites (except for their own White members) to the humiliating poverty and hopeless resignation of medieval peasants. This has been going on since the 1960s.

 

[Rigby5]

What bull! That’s like an abuser saying the victim made them do it. Abusers always have excuses, but it makes wonder what the motives of the enablers are.

That is a lie.
The Ukraine deliberately started this war by stealing Russian oil, murdering 14k ethnic Russians, and trying to put NATO nukes on Russia's border.
Even the Pope admitted all that.

 

[Rigby5]

You are another Putin puppet. Nothing but lies. Putin could have entered talks to a mutual non-aggression pact. Putin is a thug who only believes in military might.

Wrong.
The Ukraine already agreed to the non-aggression pact in 1992.
They promised to never join any alliance hostile to Russia.
So then Zelensky trying to constantly join NATO, is a contractual violation of this binding treaty.
So Putin is right and it is Zelensky who is the criminal.

 

[frigidweirdo]

One can of course understand both NATO and Moscow but that these moves by NATO would result in Moscow going to war is not hard to see. Then there are those in NATO who actually wants this conflict in Ukraine i´m told.

Can we discuss why? Money?

Washington Helped Trigger the Ukraine War

The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA to bolster Ukraine are just now becoming apparent.

www.theamericanconservative.com

"The magnitude of the aggressive moves taken by the Pentagon and CIA are just now becoming apparent.

For years, the Kremlin made it emphatically clear that inviting Ukraine to join NATO would cross a red line that threatened Russia’s vital security interests.

Evidence grew in recent years that the United States had begun to treat Ukraine as a NATO ally in all but name. Steps included pouring nearly $3 billion in “security assistance” (primarily weaponry) into the country since 2014.

The CIA “made a series of covert moves that have helped prepare the Ukrainian security services for the current crisis. Shortly after Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, the agency initiated secret paramilitary training programs for Ukrainian special operations personnel in the U.S. and on Ukraine’s former eastern front.”"

Kind of like being blamed for being raped because you wore a miniskirt.

 

[José]

konradv: What bull! That’s like an abuser saying the victim made them do it.

frigidweirdo: Kind of like being blamed for being raped because you wore a miniskirt.

Comparing Russia and american military bases in Eastern Europe to a woman raped for wearing a miniskirt is a bad analogy.

Russia and NATO must be compared to a guy surrounded by a bunch of thugs, at midnight, holding guns, knives and clubs, getting closer and closer and telling him the weapons are just for protection.

 

[Silver Cat]

Comparing Russia and american military bases in Eastern Europe to a woman raped for wearing a miniskirt is a bad analogy.

Russia and NATO must be compared to a guy surrounded by a bunch of thugs, at midnight, holding guns, knives and clubs, getting closer and closer and telling him the weapons are just for protection.

The international policy is a skirmish in the dark alleys. Some guys have only knives and clubs, but few have assault rifles.

 

[Open Bolt]

Comparing Russia and american military bases in Eastern Europe to a woman raped for wearing a miniskirt is a bad analogy.
Russia and NATO must be compared to a guy surrounded by a bunch of thugs, at midnight, holding guns, knives and clubs, getting closer and closer and telling him the weapons are just for protection.

Fake news.

Russia was not being surrounded by military bases until after they aggressively invaded Ukraine for no reason.

Ukraine the third country that Russia has aggressively invaded for no reason. Russia also aggressively invaded Chechnya and Georgia for no reason.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Wrong.
The Ukraine already agreed to the non-aggression pact in 1992.
They promised to never join any alliance hostile to Russia.
So then Zelensky trying to constantly join NATO, is a contractual violation of this binding treaty.
So Putin is right and it is Zelensky who is the criminal.

Russia abrogated those agreements when it invaded Ukraine and seized Crimea. You can’t blame a rape victim for taking steps to prevent another rape by the same rapist. Russia under Putin has established a pattern of invading its neighbors and seizing their territories,

 

[Silver Cat]

Fake news.

Russia was not being surrounded by military bases until after they aggressively invaded Ukraine for no reason.

Ukraine the third country that Russia has aggressively invaded for no reason. Russia also aggressively invaded Chechnya and Georgia for no reason.

Actually the Russians are not unreasonable, blood-lusting monsters, as some propogandists want to depict them. If they were - the deterrence (and Cold War itself) was impossible. They had pretty good reasons (from their point of view) to attack Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, as well as "rebels" and "opposition" in Syria, Libya, Mali and Venezuela.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Actually the Russians are not unreasonable, blood-lusting monsters, as some propogandists want to depict them. If they were - the deterrence (and Cold War itself) was impossible. They had pretty good reasons (from their point of view) to attack Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, as well as "rebels" and "opposition" in Syria, Libya, Mali and Venezuela.

Of course the Russians thought they had good reasons for invading all these countries that posed no security threat to Russia: they wanted to expand the Russian empire.

 

[Open Bolt]

Actually the Russians are not unreasonable, blood-lusting monsters, as some propogandists want to depict them.

Russia's history of aggression says otherwise.

If they were - the deterrence (and Cold War itself) was impossible.

Russia was deterred from attacking NATO during the Cold War because they did not want to be massacred.

Russia is deterred from attacking NATO today for the same reason.

They had pretty good reasons (from their point of view) to attack Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine,

Russia had no reason for attacking any of those countries.