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It is very similar to a situation I am sitting in right now. I have to do math courses in college because my score wasn't high enough because I did not do the advanced courses for math earlier. What schools fail to inform students of or at least my school failed to tell me was those advanced courses were how you did better on the act. It wasn't about getting ahead it was about keeping up.High schools in my state have added an option for students who do not want to obtain a regular diploma, or CORE 40, or honor's program, but want a more intensive focus in science and math. These alternative schools also require that the students give weekly presentations, which can develop public speaking skills quite significantly.Yes to some degree but in those courses you have a specific time frame to work in. SO if you're in high school mastering the basics of mathematics for 4 years you wont reach the more complex theories until college where you will struggle due to lack of interaction. The question isn't "what if we added this to our system?", it was "if it should be started earlier?". I know how the current system works first hand. I am asking, in your opinion should this be implemented earlier?.... I think it should be more skill-based till high school and then letting high school be similar to today's college in writing and studying in-depth about advanced and specific topics....
That, more or less, is how it IS now. You need to keep in mind that there are basic level courses, honors course, AP courses and specific electives. That's how it is NOW.
You are right that a student can do his or her very best while in secondary school, earn A's and B's, and could still be "behind" when they confront college coursework. I did that btw. I had to take a no-credit math course to catch up, later learning I liked certain maths (statistics for one), and eventually taught high school math lol It was my own fault for avoiding math in high school (taking the minimum required for college) so I had to pay the piper by playing catch-up.
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As a student (not a parent or teacher) I see things differently but that being said you have very valid points. Things I don't have much experience with and you perspective is greatly appreciated and will be considered in any further discussion. Thank you I appreciate that.It supports freedom of choice. Education options are offered via format in all states due to COVID-19 but parents of young students want different things for their kids. As a parent (and teacher for the record) I liked having an option for my child for preschool. It was nice comparing the open classroom concept to regular preschool, and even looked into Catholic versus Protestant preschools. We ended up going with a Protestant preschool (best around regarding feedback from other parents), Catholic kindergarten (best option locally at the time academically), and then the best public school that was out-of-district but worth the drive.What makes you believe that to be a strength? Having different forms of education just based on local areas could result in misinformation and division in any form of work if they make it that far without a standard to live up to. Do you think these things would disappear, not occur, or do you have a solution?Leave it up to locals. If every curriculum is different that is only a strength.
In talking with many parents, they had different reasons for selecting different formats as well. The open concept schools (imo) are better suited for kids with a lot of self-confidence, and I can guarantee that many other parents should disagree. We all have different perceptions about what looks like the best fit for our kiddos, and that's something that will be greatly missed if the US ever does move toward some across-the-board uniform modeling concept. I shudder just thinking of that actually.
I have no reason to lie. I am a Freshman in college I remember the tests I took to be able to go to college. Just because what I have seen doesn't fit into your view of the system doesn't automatically mean mine doesn't exist. If I wanted to screw you around with lies I could've just as easily said you had an archaic view of the world and your experience no longer is relevant due to the new stuff they're putting out. I didn't because I don't believe that and I'm simply and frankly put, not an asshole. Instead, I gave you terms, you have evidence and my experience. I am not saying you have to agree with me completely and totally. SIMPLY PUT I'm saying stop being a dick and just talk about it. Throwing a tantrum because you have experience and see the world in another light doesn't mean you can walk all over saying no this and no that because that is when we put people into nursing homes. I trust in your experience in certain subjects. This one which we were discussing, happened in the last couple of decades. I went through the system and am telling my experience. Someone else is giving their perspective. That is how my discussions work. YouOh, give me a freakin' break! Why are you lying about that?2 state tests were in preparation for the ACT and the ACT.I hate to say it but I took the test 2 years ago. Those solving methods of different variations were on that test.I wouldn't go that far but hey someone has to. I am not talking about an inability to learn just a difficulty with it. You cant get into the world without math skills of some sort of course I had to do it like anyone else. The difference is I am not good at it. This isn't about an inability it is about a fear that goes with it. I am telling you of an experience that caused anxiety in that field. I had a wonderful teacher who helped me later on. If my ego meant so much I wouldn't have shared a once complication. However, if that is what you got out of that fine. I"ve found my place and I am fine currently but that doesn't make the issues others had, go away. While you can say there aren't 8 different ways to do algebra that is exactly what we are being taught or at least what we had been taught in high school.With my personal experience, I had 2 years 7-8 grade where my teacher cried every other day and yelled at students by the end of the week if we didn't plot the 12 pages of point plotting and colored them. Most of us did them but when we asked why it was all we did she would get angry. After that, I struggled along with most of my classmates to grasp algebra and other forms of basic mathematics. Now if I do something and learn it I can repeat the solution but then I had to perform the same problem with 3 separate methods on different sections and I started getting lost. I don't have the best memory so I got better with notes and writing equations due to the multiple methods. I needed but when I had to apply 8 different solutions to solve some forms of algebra or even geometry. (it isn't as bad but still occurring) You could easily say I just suck at math and be done with it and that could very well be true but the fear factor and overteaching is something I experienced frequently. That is my experience with math, I have no doubt you were a great teacher but when the stuff like I said occurs it messes up the subject entirely. My girlfriend who had a similar issue gave up her dream to be a biologist because she feels she's not good enough at math even though she passes every course.I agree with that completely and totally. When in high school I actually had those issues in mathematics so it is quite intriguing that you put it so perfectly. How do you personally think we could stop this fear?
It very simple and NOT hard to fix.. Get 25 of America's top STEM Professional Societies to write an "open letter" to the academic eggheads in the Ed Depts of colleges --- SCOLDING THEM for making math intimidating. Tell them to teach the one way that always works PRECISELY first. And drop this insane clatter about 5 different ways to think about multiplication or finding the "roots" of equations" in Algebra. AT LEAST until the kids are SOLID in mastering it.. Reserve the freaking "tricks and tips" for tutoring sessions for students that NEED visual aids and crutches..
It's how academics on the lib arts screw up perfectly good basic knowledge all the time. By "over teaching" it...
It's no wonder you cant get EVERY kid thru Trig and Algebra 1 wasting time and making kids fear math... We might also get around the "math is racist" argument -- if black kids got some tutorials is defending themselves against folks that ABUSE statistics. And statistics are abused daily everywhere. This is not EVEN math.. In the 21st century with a totally dysfunctional media -- THIS IS A SURVIVAL TOOL...
But you'll never get there spending so much redundant time to confuse kids on how to do the ESSENTIALS of math..
Why do you think math is intimidating?
I taught high school math for 21 years and NEVER had a student be intimidated. I never knew a college student to be intimidated by math. I think you are imagining things!
In other words, you are a dumbass! There are no 8 different solutions in algebra. I taught it for 21 years. Your self-confidence is the issue, as well as your girlfriend's. There are no excuses why you cannot learn math. You are providing planty you have made up to placate your ego and shift the blame for your poor math skills.
Bullshit! Stop pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! You are making shit up, plain and simple.
Not at all -- you're a teacher right? Go pull a math textbook for 4th or 5th grade math...
In fact while you're pulling that textbook -- get some education here...
What Are Different Ways to Multiply? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
Go look at how PREVALENT this "math torture" is....
I NEVER "make up shit"... And if your leg is wet -- get Depends...
I retired almost 3 years ago, That is a video explaining multiplication that would not be used in a classroom. It illustrates the 4 methods, which are all variations of each other to solve a multiplication problem. Students are NEVER, repeat NEVER required to demonstrate any of these methods to answer a question on a standardized test, which are usually multiple choice. So your pathetic attempt at proving me wrong, failed miserably.
What test was that?
Didn't finish my last sentence, sorry.I have no reason to lie. I am a Freshman in college I remember the tests I took to be able to go to college. Just because what I have seen doesn't fit into your view of the system doesn't automatically mean mine doesn't exist. If I wanted to screw you around with lies I could've just as easily said you had an archaic view of the world and your experience no longer is relevant due to the new stuff they're putting out. I didn't because I don't believe that and I'm simply and frankly put, not an asshole. Instead, I gave you terms, you have evidence and my experience. I am not saying you have to agree with me completely and totally. SIMPLY PUT I'm saying stop being a dick and just talk about it. Throwing a tantrum because you have experience and see the world in another light doesn't mean you can walk all over saying no this and no that because that is when we put people into nursing homes. I trust in your experience in certain subjects. This one which we were discussing, happened in the last couple of decades. I went through the system and am telling my experience. Someone else is giving their perspective. That is how my discussions work. YouOh, give me a freakin' break! Why are you lying about that?2 state tests were in preparation for the ACT and the ACT.I hate to say it but I took the test 2 years ago. Those solving methods of different variations were on that test.I wouldn't go that far but hey someone has to. I am not talking about an inability to learn just a difficulty with it. You cant get into the world without math skills of some sort of course I had to do it like anyone else. The difference is I am not good at it. This isn't about an inability it is about a fear that goes with it. I am telling you of an experience that caused anxiety in that field. I had a wonderful teacher who helped me later on. If my ego meant so much I wouldn't have shared a once complication. However, if that is what you got out of that fine. I"ve found my place and I am fine currently but that doesn't make the issues others had, go away. While you can say there aren't 8 different ways to do algebra that is exactly what we are being taught or at least what we had been taught in high school.With my personal experience, I had 2 years 7-8 grade where my teacher cried every other day and yelled at students by the end of the week if we didn't plot the 12 pages of point plotting and colored them. Most of us did them but when we asked why it was all we did she would get angry. After that, I struggled along with most of my classmates to grasp algebra and other forms of basic mathematics. Now if I do something and learn it I can repeat the solution but then I had to perform the same problem with 3 separate methods on different sections and I started getting lost. I don't have the best memory so I got better with notes and writing equations due to the multiple methods. I needed but when I had to apply 8 different solutions to solve some forms of algebra or even geometry. (it isn't as bad but still occurring) You could easily say I just suck at math and be done with it and that could very well be true but the fear factor and overteaching is something I experienced frequently. That is my experience with math, I have no doubt you were a great teacher but when the stuff like I said occurs it messes up the subject entirely. My girlfriend who had a similar issue gave up her dream to be a biologist because she feels she's not good enough at math even though she passes every course.I agree with that completely and totally. When in high school I actually had those issues in mathematics so it is quite intriguing that you put it so perfectly. How do you personally think we could stop this fear?
It very simple and NOT hard to fix.. Get 25 of America's top STEM Professional Societies to write an "open letter" to the academic eggheads in the Ed Depts of colleges --- SCOLDING THEM for making math intimidating. Tell them to teach the one way that always works PRECISELY first. And drop this insane clatter about 5 different ways to think about multiplication or finding the "roots" of equations" in Algebra. AT LEAST until the kids are SOLID in mastering it.. Reserve the freaking "tricks and tips" for tutoring sessions for students that NEED visual aids and crutches..
It's how academics on the lib arts screw up perfectly good basic knowledge all the time. By "over teaching" it...
It's no wonder you cant get EVERY kid thru Trig and Algebra 1 wasting time and making kids fear math... We might also get around the "math is racist" argument -- if black kids got some tutorials is defending themselves against folks that ABUSE statistics. And statistics are abused daily everywhere. This is not EVEN math.. In the 21st century with a totally dysfunctional media -- THIS IS A SURVIVAL TOOL...
But you'll never get there spending so much redundant time to confuse kids on how to do the ESSENTIALS of math..
Why do you think math is intimidating?
I taught high school math for 21 years and NEVER had a student be intimidated. I never knew a college student to be intimidated by math. I think you are imagining things!
In other words, you are a dumbass! There are no 8 different solutions in algebra. I taught it for 21 years. Your self-confidence is the issue, as well as your girlfriend's. There are no excuses why you cannot learn math. You are providing planty you have made up to placate your ego and shift the blame for your poor math skills.
Bullshit! Stop pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! You are making shit up, plain and simple.
Not at all -- you're a teacher right? Go pull a math textbook for 4th or 5th grade math...
In fact while you're pulling that textbook -- get some education here...
What Are Different Ways to Multiply? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
Go look at how PREVALENT this "math torture" is....
I NEVER "make up shit"... And if your leg is wet -- get Depends...
I retired almost 3 years ago, That is a video explaining multiplication that would not be used in a classroom. It illustrates the 4 methods, which are all variations of each other to solve a multiplication problem. Students are NEVER, repeat NEVER required to demonstrate any of these methods to answer a question on a standardized test, which are usually multiple choice. So your pathetic attempt at proving me wrong, failed miserably.
What test was that?
You are completely clueless because you are not and never have been a math teacher. True?
I have no reason to lie. I am a Freshman in college I remember the tests I took to be able to go to college. Just because what I have seen doesn't fit into your view of the system doesn't automatically mean mine doesn't exist. If I wanted to screw you around with lies I could've just as easily said you had an archaic view of the world and your experience no longer is relevant due to the new stuff they're putting out. I didn't because I don't believe that and I'm simply and frankly put, not an asshole. Instead, I gave you terms, you have evidence and my experience. I am not saying you have to agree with me completely and totally. SIMPLY PUT I'm saying stop being a dick and just talk about it. Throwing a tantrum because you have experience and see the world in another light doesn't mean you can walk all over saying no this and no that because that is when we put people into nursing homes. I trust in your experience in certain subjects. This one which we were discussing, happened in the last couple of decades. I went through the system and am telling my experience. Someone else is giving their perspective. That is how my discussions work. YouOh, give me a freakin' break! Why are you lying about that?2 state tests were in preparation for the ACT and the ACT.I hate to say it but I took the test 2 years ago. Those solving methods of different variations were on that test.I wouldn't go that far but hey someone has to. I am not talking about an inability to learn just a difficulty with it. You cant get into the world without math skills of some sort of course I had to do it like anyone else. The difference is I am not good at it. This isn't about an inability it is about a fear that goes with it. I am telling you of an experience that caused anxiety in that field. I had a wonderful teacher who helped me later on. If my ego meant so much I wouldn't have shared a once complication. However, if that is what you got out of that fine. I"ve found my place and I am fine currently but that doesn't make the issues others had, go away. While you can say there aren't 8 different ways to do algebra that is exactly what we are being taught or at least what we had been taught in high school.With my personal experience, I had 2 years 7-8 grade where my teacher cried every other day and yelled at students by the end of the week if we didn't plot the 12 pages of point plotting and colored them. Most of us did them but when we asked why it was all we did she would get angry. After that, I struggled along with most of my classmates to grasp algebra and other forms of basic mathematics. Now if I do something and learn it I can repeat the solution but then I had to perform the same problem with 3 separate methods on different sections and I started getting lost. I don't have the best memory so I got better with notes and writing equations due to the multiple methods. I needed but when I had to apply 8 different solutions to solve some forms of algebra or even geometry. (it isn't as bad but still occurring) You could easily say I just suck at math and be done with it and that could very well be true but the fear factor and overteaching is something I experienced frequently. That is my experience with math, I have no doubt you were a great teacher but when the stuff like I said occurs it messes up the subject entirely. My girlfriend who had a similar issue gave up her dream to be a biologist because she feels she's not good enough at math even though she passes every course.I agree with that completely and totally. When in high school I actually had those issues in mathematics so it is quite intriguing that you put it so perfectly. How do you personally think we could stop this fear?
It very simple and NOT hard to fix.. Get 25 of America's top STEM Professional Societies to write an "open letter" to the academic eggheads in the Ed Depts of colleges --- SCOLDING THEM for making math intimidating. Tell them to teach the one way that always works PRECISELY first. And drop this insane clatter about 5 different ways to think about multiplication or finding the "roots" of equations" in Algebra. AT LEAST until the kids are SOLID in mastering it.. Reserve the freaking "tricks and tips" for tutoring sessions for students that NEED visual aids and crutches..
It's how academics on the lib arts screw up perfectly good basic knowledge all the time. By "over teaching" it...
It's no wonder you cant get EVERY kid thru Trig and Algebra 1 wasting time and making kids fear math... We might also get around the "math is racist" argument -- if black kids got some tutorials is defending themselves against folks that ABUSE statistics. And statistics are abused daily everywhere. This is not EVEN math.. In the 21st century with a totally dysfunctional media -- THIS IS A SURVIVAL TOOL...
But you'll never get there spending so much redundant time to confuse kids on how to do the ESSENTIALS of math..
Why do you think math is intimidating?
I taught high school math for 21 years and NEVER had a student be intimidated. I never knew a college student to be intimidated by math. I think you are imagining things!
In other words, you are a dumbass! There are no 8 different solutions in algebra. I taught it for 21 years. Your self-confidence is the issue, as well as your girlfriend's. There are no excuses why you cannot learn math. You are providing planty you have made up to placate your ego and shift the blame for your poor math skills.
Bullshit! Stop pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! You are making shit up, plain and simple.
Not at all -- you're a teacher right? Go pull a math textbook for 4th or 5th grade math...
In fact while you're pulling that textbook -- get some education here...
What Are Different Ways to Multiply? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
Go look at how PREVALENT this "math torture" is....
I NEVER "make up shit"... And if your leg is wet -- get Depends...
I retired almost 3 years ago, That is a video explaining multiplication that would not be used in a classroom. It illustrates the 4 methods, which are all variations of each other to solve a multiplication problem. Students are NEVER, repeat NEVER required to demonstrate any of these methods to answer a question on a standardized test, which are usually multiple choice. So your pathetic attempt at proving me wrong, failed miserably.
What test was that?
Didn't finish my last sentence, sorry.I have no reason to lie. I am a Freshman in college I remember the tests I took to be able to go to college. Just because what I have seen doesn't fit into your view of the system doesn't automatically mean mine doesn't exist. If I wanted to screw you around with lies I could've just as easily said you had an archaic view of the world and your experience no longer is relevant due to the new stuff they're putting out. I didn't because I don't believe that and I'm simply and frankly put, not an asshole. Instead, I gave you terms, you have evidence and my experience. I am not saying you have to agree with me completely and totally. SIMPLY PUT I'm saying stop being a dick and just talk about it. Throwing a tantrum because you have experience and see the world in another light doesn't mean you can walk all over saying no this and no that because that is when we put people into nursing homes. I trust in your experience in certain subjects. This one which we were discussing, happened in the last couple of decades. I went through the system and am telling my experience. Someone else is giving their perspective. That is how my discussions work. YouOh, give me a freakin' break! Why are you lying about that?2 state tests were in preparation for the ACT and the ACT.I hate to say it but I took the test 2 years ago. Those solving methods of different variations were on that test.I wouldn't go that far but hey someone has to. I am not talking about an inability to learn just a difficulty with it. You cant get into the world without math skills of some sort of course I had to do it like anyone else. The difference is I am not good at it. This isn't about an inability it is about a fear that goes with it. I am telling you of an experience that caused anxiety in that field. I had a wonderful teacher who helped me later on. If my ego meant so much I wouldn't have shared a once complication. However, if that is what you got out of that fine. I"ve found my place and I am fine currently but that doesn't make the issues others had, go away. While you can say there aren't 8 different ways to do algebra that is exactly what we are being taught or at least what we had been taught in high school.With my personal experience, I had 2 years 7-8 grade where my teacher cried every other day and yelled at students by the end of the week if we didn't plot the 12 pages of point plotting and colored them. Most of us did them but when we asked why it was all we did she would get angry. After that, I struggled along with most of my classmates to grasp algebra and other forms of basic mathematics. Now if I do something and learn it I can repeat the solution but then I had to perform the same problem with 3 separate methods on different sections and I started getting lost. I don't have the best memory so I got better with notes and writing equations due to the multiple methods. I needed but when I had to apply 8 different solutions to solve some forms of algebra or even geometry. (it isn't as bad but still occurring) You could easily say I just suck at math and be done with it and that could very well be true but the fear factor and overteaching is something I experienced frequently. That is my experience with math, I have no doubt you were a great teacher but when the stuff like I said occurs it messes up the subject entirely. My girlfriend who had a similar issue gave up her dream to be a biologist because she feels she's not good enough at math even though she passes every course.I agree with that completely and totally. When in high school I actually had those issues in mathematics so it is quite intriguing that you put it so perfectly. How do you personally think we could stop this fear?
It very simple and NOT hard to fix.. Get 25 of America's top STEM Professional Societies to write an "open letter" to the academic eggheads in the Ed Depts of colleges --- SCOLDING THEM for making math intimidating. Tell them to teach the one way that always works PRECISELY first. And drop this insane clatter about 5 different ways to think about multiplication or finding the "roots" of equations" in Algebra. AT LEAST until the kids are SOLID in mastering it.. Reserve the freaking "tricks and tips" for tutoring sessions for students that NEED visual aids and crutches..
It's how academics on the lib arts screw up perfectly good basic knowledge all the time. By "over teaching" it...
It's no wonder you cant get EVERY kid thru Trig and Algebra 1 wasting time and making kids fear math... We might also get around the "math is racist" argument -- if black kids got some tutorials is defending themselves against folks that ABUSE statistics. And statistics are abused daily everywhere. This is not EVEN math.. In the 21st century with a totally dysfunctional media -- THIS IS A SURVIVAL TOOL...
But you'll never get there spending so much redundant time to confuse kids on how to do the ESSENTIALS of math..
Why do you think math is intimidating?
I taught high school math for 21 years and NEVER had a student be intimidated. I never knew a college student to be intimidated by math. I think you are imagining things!
In other words, you are a dumbass! There are no 8 different solutions in algebra. I taught it for 21 years. Your self-confidence is the issue, as well as your girlfriend's. There are no excuses why you cannot learn math. You are providing planty you have made up to placate your ego and shift the blame for your poor math skills.
Bullshit! Stop pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! You are making shit up, plain and simple.
Not at all -- you're a teacher right? Go pull a math textbook for 4th or 5th grade math...
In fact while you're pulling that textbook -- get some education here...
What Are Different Ways to Multiply? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
Go look at how PREVALENT this "math torture" is....
I NEVER "make up shit"... And if your leg is wet -- get Depends...
I retired almost 3 years ago, That is a video explaining multiplication that would not be used in a classroom. It illustrates the 4 methods, which are all variations of each other to solve a multiplication problem. Students are NEVER, repeat NEVER required to demonstrate any of these methods to answer a question on a standardized test, which are usually multiple choice. So your pathetic attempt at proving me wrong, failed miserably.
What test was that?
You SIMPLY PUT, are being foolish in the exchanges of information to find resolutions or even discuss issues. Thanks for whatever meaningful parts you had but this load of horseshit should end. You're not getting far with that mindset.
Just one more post to prove I'm "not making up shit"... Note in the 2nd item for sale, it says this complies WITH COMMON CORE MATH... The teachers are GETTING this wild goose chases from the academics that MADE UP the "common core" curriculum..
Multiplication Strategies Anchor Chart - Two Digit Numbers
Multiplication Strategies Math Anchor Chart Are you searching for strategies to support two-digit multiplication? This poster kit is just for you. It includes: - 7 multiplication strategies with directions and matching illustrations - 1 student reference guide that can be sent home to support ...
Description
Multiplication Strategies Math Anchor Chart
Are you searching for strategies to support two-digit multiplication? This poster kit is just for you.
It includes:
- 7 multiplication strategies with directions and matching illustrations
- 1 student reference guide that can be sent home to support parent understanding of the strategies
- guiding questions
- 1 student recording sheet (to show detailed thinking)
Use these strategies to improve student achievement!
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7 Multiplication Strategies included:
1- Expanded Notation
2- Partial Products
3- Area Model with Base Ten Blocks
4- Decompose One Factor into 2 Parts
5- Decompose One Factor into Several Smaller Parts
6- Distributive Property
7- Traditional Algorithm
Multiplication Strategies {for two-digit by two-digit problems}
Having problems finding a multiplication strategy that works for your class? Need ways to teach multiplication to fit common core standards? Then, this is the packet for you! Included in this packet are easy-to-follow instructions and examples of how to use four main multiplication strategies (...
Description
Having problems finding a multiplication strategy that works for your class? Need ways to teach multiplication to fit common core standards? Then, this is the packet for you!
Included in this packet are easy-to-follow instructions and examples of how to use four main multiplication strategies (Area Method, FOIL, Lattice, and Double & Half). You may also choose to copy instructions for students to have when practicing at home and to guide the parents. Additionally, there are 4 practice pages for the students included.
Enjoy
Michelle Thom
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You are completely clueless because you are not and never have been a math teacher. True?
Does graduate assistant in signal/image processing classes count?? Think I'm qualified to call bullshit on phony elementary school math noise....
That is a wonderful way to view Asberger's as it can be so challenging in most educational settings. It's absolutely crucial to work hard to facilitate ways to, as you eloquently stated, capture their interests. Keep up the positivity!In the case of Asberger's, it's SPECIALIZED intelligence to fully tune into things that capture your interest.
This post is not just about my experience. This has a wide range of issues that started out from a couple of questions. Several people refute theories that are fine but personally, I don't care what graveyard you reside in. You have refused to have a discussion and reduced yourself to insults and telling me you don't believe what I say. I am telling you on my experience if the cust is weighing down your eyes so extensively that you do not wish to discuss perspective you've got no business discussing. Want to tell me your experiences? fine. Want to ask about mine? fine. Want to ignore discussion calling bs on anything you don't want to believe exists? Find a flat earth group.Didn't finish my last sentence, sorry.I have no reason to lie. I am a Freshman in college I remember the tests I took to be able to go to college. Just because what I have seen doesn't fit into your view of the system doesn't automatically mean mine doesn't exist. If I wanted to screw you around with lies I could've just as easily said you had an archaic view of the world and your experience no longer is relevant due to the new stuff they're putting out. I didn't because I don't believe that and I'm simply and frankly put, not an asshole. Instead, I gave you terms, you have evidence and my experience. I am not saying you have to agree with me completely and totally. SIMPLY PUT I'm saying stop being a dick and just talk about it. Throwing a tantrum because you have experience and see the world in another light doesn't mean you can walk all over saying no this and no that because that is when we put people into nursing homes. I trust in your experience in certain subjects. This one which we were discussing, happened in the last couple of decades. I went through the system and am telling my experience. Someone else is giving their perspective. That is how my discussions work. YouOh, give me a freakin' break! Why are you lying about that?2 state tests were in preparation for the ACT and the ACT.I hate to say it but I took the test 2 years ago. Those solving methods of different variations were on that test.I wouldn't go that far but hey someone has to. I am not talking about an inability to learn just a difficulty with it. You cant get into the world without math skills of some sort of course I had to do it like anyone else. The difference is I am not good at it. This isn't about an inability it is about a fear that goes with it. I am telling you of an experience that caused anxiety in that field. I had a wonderful teacher who helped me later on. If my ego meant so much I wouldn't have shared a once complication. However, if that is what you got out of that fine. I"ve found my place and I am fine currently but that doesn't make the issues others had, go away. While you can say there aren't 8 different ways to do algebra that is exactly what we are being taught or at least what we had been taught in high school.With my personal experience, I had 2 years 7-8 grade where my teacher cried every other day and yelled at students by the end of the week if we didn't plot the 12 pages of point plotting and colored them. Most of us did them but when we asked why it was all we did she would get angry. After that, I struggled along with most of my classmates to grasp algebra and other forms of basic mathematics. Now if I do something and learn it I can repeat the solution but then I had to perform the same problem with 3 separate methods on different sections and I started getting lost. I don't have the best memory so I got better with notes and writing equations due to the multiple methods. I needed but when I had to apply 8 different solutions to solve some forms of algebra or even geometry. (it isn't as bad but still occurring) You could easily say I just suck at math and be done with it and that could very well be true but the fear factor and overteaching is something I experienced frequently. That is my experience with math, I have no doubt you were a great teacher but when the stuff like I said occurs it messes up the subject entirely. My girlfriend who had a similar issue gave up her dream to be a biologist because she feels she's not good enough at math even though she passes every course.I agree with that completely and totally. When in high school I actually had those issues in mathematics so it is quite intriguing that you put it so perfectly. How do you personally think we could stop this fear?
It very simple and NOT hard to fix.. Get 25 of America's top STEM Professional Societies to write an "open letter" to the academic eggheads in the Ed Depts of colleges --- SCOLDING THEM for making math intimidating. Tell them to teach the one way that always works PRECISELY first. And drop this insane clatter about 5 different ways to think about multiplication or finding the "roots" of equations" in Algebra. AT LEAST until the kids are SOLID in mastering it.. Reserve the freaking "tricks and tips" for tutoring sessions for students that NEED visual aids and crutches..
It's how academics on the lib arts screw up perfectly good basic knowledge all the time. By "over teaching" it...
It's no wonder you cant get EVERY kid thru Trig and Algebra 1 wasting time and making kids fear math... We might also get around the "math is racist" argument -- if black kids got some tutorials is defending themselves against folks that ABUSE statistics. And statistics are abused daily everywhere. This is not EVEN math.. In the 21st century with a totally dysfunctional media -- THIS IS A SURVIVAL TOOL...
But you'll never get there spending so much redundant time to confuse kids on how to do the ESSENTIALS of math..
Why do you think math is intimidating?
I taught high school math for 21 years and NEVER had a student be intimidated. I never knew a college student to be intimidated by math. I think you are imagining things!
In other words, you are a dumbass! There are no 8 different solutions in algebra. I taught it for 21 years. Your self-confidence is the issue, as well as your girlfriend's. There are no excuses why you cannot learn math. You are providing planty you have made up to placate your ego and shift the blame for your poor math skills.
Bullshit! Stop pissing on my leg and telling me it is raining! You are making shit up, plain and simple.
Not at all -- you're a teacher right? Go pull a math textbook for 4th or 5th grade math...
In fact while you're pulling that textbook -- get some education here...
What Are Different Ways to Multiply? - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com
Go look at how PREVALENT this "math torture" is....
I NEVER "make up shit"... And if your leg is wet -- get Depends...
I retired almost 3 years ago, That is a video explaining multiplication that would not be used in a classroom. It illustrates the 4 methods, which are all variations of each other to solve a multiplication problem. Students are NEVER, repeat NEVER required to demonstrate any of these methods to answer a question on a standardized test, which are usually multiple choice. So your pathetic attempt at proving me wrong, failed miserably.
What test was that?
You SIMPLY PUT, are being foolish in the exchanges of information to find resolutions or even discuss issues. Thanks for whatever meaningful parts you had but this load of horseshit should end. You're not getting far with that mindset.
Your issues are fantasies which do not exist. Therefore, there can never be a resolution.
Just one more post to prove I'm "not making up shit"... Note in the 2nd item for sale, it says this complies WITH COMMON CORE MATH... The teachers are GETTING this wild goose chases from the academics that MADE UP the "common core" curriculum..
Multiplication Strategies Anchor Chart - Two Digit Numbers
Multiplication Strategies Math Anchor Chart Are you searching for strategies to support two-digit multiplication? This poster kit is just for you. It includes: - 7 multiplication strategies with directions and matching illustrations - 1 student reference guide that can be sent home to support ...
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Multiplication Strategies Math Anchor Chart
Are you searching for strategies to support two-digit multiplication? This poster kit is just for you.
It includes:
- 7 multiplication strategies with directions and matching illustrations
- 1 student reference guide that can be sent home to support parent understanding of the strategies
- guiding questions
- 1 student recording sheet (to show detailed thinking)
Use these strategies to improve student achievement!
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7 Multiplication Strategies included:
1- Expanded Notation
2- Partial Products
3- Area Model with Base Ten Blocks
4- Decompose One Factor into 2 Parts
5- Decompose One Factor into Several Smaller Parts
6- Distributive Property
7- Traditional Algorithm
Multiplication Strategies {for two-digit by two-digit problems}
Having problems finding a multiplication strategy that works for your class? Need ways to teach multiplication to fit common core standards? Then, this is the packet for you! Included in this packet are easy-to-follow instructions and examples of how to use four main multiplication strategies (...
Description
Having problems finding a multiplication strategy that works for your class? Need ways to teach multiplication to fit common core standards? Then, this is the packet for you!
Included in this packet are easy-to-follow instructions and examples of how to use four main multiplication strategies (Area Method, FOIL, Lattice, and Double & Half). You may also choose to copy instructions for students to have when practicing at home and to guide the parents. Additionally, there are 4 practice pages for the students included.
Enjoy
Michelle Thom
Like this?
Check out this multiplication packet...
Cooking Up Arrays {Multiplication Match-Up Cards and Games}
or this Common Core assessment for 4.NBT.5...
Common Core 4.NBT.5 {Multiplication Assessment & Rubrics}
Common Core as a requirement was dropped by most states during the Obama administration. Please try and keep up!
In my personal opinion and experience (Indiana and Oklahoma) I believe education has fallen short in many different areas. In English courses, I have been told you learn to write an essay but as someone who wrote before then, I couldn't understand why I took 3 classes telling me the same thing and another on forming a paper on my analysis. I always saw the repetitive nature to be a waste of time. (those were all AP) English is very important but the repetitive nature is not needed. Students in 8th grade and freshman year have the ability to understand how to write. We were introduced to a 5 paragraph format which I openly disregarded because I knew beforehand you write with points and evidence to fit a solution to a question. It was not as ruler smacking and teachers used to tell kids to get them worried. I think 8-12 in terms of writing has to be progressed. teaching the basics and then the next 4 years using them completely not a watered-down version. English needs to be more about understanding complex works and effectively writing papers on opinion and analysis. Most students in my experience as a first-year couldn't do this effectively and it was quite sad.As a student (not a parent or teacher) I see things differently but that being said you have very valid points. Things I don't have much experience with and you perspective is greatly appreciated and will be considered in any further discussion. Thank you I appreciate that.It supports freedom of choice. Education options are offered via format in all states due to COVID-19 but parents of young students want different things for their kids. As a parent (and teacher for the record) I liked having an option for my child for preschool. It was nice comparing the open classroom concept to regular preschool, and even looked into Catholic versus Protestant preschools. We ended up going with a Protestant preschool (best around regarding feedback from other parents), Catholic kindergarten (best option locally at the time academically), and then the best public school that was out-of-district but worth the drive.What makes you believe that to be a strength? Having different forms of education just based on local areas could result in misinformation and division in any form of work if they make it that far without a standard to live up to. Do you think these things would disappear, not occur, or do you have a solution?Leave it up to locals. If every curriculum is different that is only a strength.
In talking with many parents, they had different reasons for selecting different formats as well. The open concept schools (imo) are better suited for kids with a lot of self-confidence, and I can guarantee that many other parents should disagree. We all have different perceptions about what looks like the best fit for our kiddos, and that's something that will be greatly missed if the US ever does move toward some across-the-board uniform modeling concept. I shudder just thinking of that actually.
Sorry for the short diversion here. Had to support my assertions.. So WHEN are you gonna commit to offering YOUR opinions on all these questions?? I realize you're a Socratic method fan, but feel like maybe you should stake out some ground here.. LOL... You'll get flamed whether you commit to a personal opinion or not at USMB -- might as well tell us what YOU think...
...I know how the current system works first hand....
Yes but today we have cell phones, so everything is different now and we should ignore the Constitution.
It is sad to have to verify about being satirical.Yes but today we have cell phones, so everything is different now and we should ignore the Constitution.
Please tell me you’re not being serious.
It is sad to have to verify about being satirical.
The system (be it the one I went through) I know is mostly because I was a student there but while I was I had been around for the teacher protests as well as several other demonstrations to which I became more familiar with the local issues in my state and district work. In several cases, I worked alongside the administration to help out in certain areas on preparedness for college, and when I told them they were scaring a bunch of people about college we tried to make it to where we removed certain fears. I have experience in a lot of the mentalities of teachers mainly because I knew them. I went frequently to board meetings and spoke to a rep with the state board of education. I had teachers who specifically asked me to run for mayor so that I could fix the education system in my city since those in power couldn't care less. They were building a school on the rich side of town so they had someplace to send their kids while in the meantime forgetting about our school. I read through the "grants" and forms of funding through are school and realized the school would have been in 3 million dollar debt after 4 years unless they somehow paid it but when I asked why they labeled it the way they did without mentioning paying it back they just told me "its good for the school sign the papers." which is what they did with a fucked up system called Blue Zone. I don't proclaim to know everything about every state I know how it is done in the one I had grown up in. I spent most of my free time with teachers I knew personally who had been running for political positions and helping their campaigns so they would fix some of the issues. I know about all the things I said from things I have read through and researched as well as what I experienced in high school which greatly influenced how I look at education overall. I also spent a lot of time helping the medical portion of my school but while doing chek ups on students and having to look for scabies and other quite disgusting things I also realized how fucked over certain medical staff are. Nurses worse than their aids. In my state you can barely help a kid due to fear parents will sue the school and this last year I went to that school they banned bandaids for students. After this we had a bunch of students flood in with pills they were hiding. Because of the administrative policies they were treated the same as the people who tried to sell meth. (random kid looked at me and said point-blank, "want to help me sell some meth I have too much"....I know how the current system works first hand....
How so?
