National Geographic on 9/11

[Baruch Menachem]

Keep looking at this picture. You post it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Do you ever look at the thing? It demonstrates that the tower is not remotely coming down at free fall speed, as all the debris is falling far faster.

 

[CurveLight]

This pretty much sums up why the twoof movement hasn't gone anywhere in 8 years:

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking piece of shits trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

Why is it every time you read something you don't like you accuse people of lying? You do it all the time you shitbag. Grow up.

"More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University Poll."
New National Poll: 36% of Americans Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job

"A 2007 Zogby poll found that 26 percent of Americans believe the government let it happen."


"On Sept. 11, an NBC reporter quoted New York Fire Department Chief of Safety Albert Turi as saying he believed there were explosives planted in one of the towers. After the attacks, the New York Fire Department interviewed firefighters to create an oral history of 9/11. These tapes—which were not released until 2005—contain numerous references to explosions heard just before the buildings fell. Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, a Web site started in 2008, says the government destroyed evidence that 7 World Trade Center was blown up and hosts a petition asking Congress to look into the possibility that "exotic accelerants" destroyed the buildings."
Do firefighters believe 9/11 conspiracy theories? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine


I love how OCTAs constantly refer to Troofers as whackos and claim only crazy people question that day because it shows they have absolutely no respect for themselves or others.

 

[candycorn]

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking piece of shits trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

Why is it every time you read something you don't like you accuse people of lying? You do it all the time you shitbag. Grow up.

"More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University Poll."
New National Poll: 36% of Americans Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job

"A 2007 Zogby poll found that 26 percent of Americans believe the government let it happen."


"On Sept. 11, an NBC reporter quoted New York Fire Department Chief of Safety Albert Turi as saying he believed there were explosives planted in one of the towers. After the attacks, the New York Fire Department interviewed firefighters to create an oral history of 9/11. These tapes—which were not released until 2005—contain numerous references to explosions heard just before the buildings fell. Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, a Web site started in 2008, says the government destroyed evidence that 7 World Trade Center was blown up and hosts a petition asking Congress to look into the possibility that "exotic accelerants" destroyed the buildings."
Do firefighters believe 9/11 conspiracy theories? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine


I love how OCTAs constantly refer to Troofers as whackos and claim only crazy people question that day because it shows they have absolutely no respect for themselves or others.

Please link to where the National Geographic Special said that. Your link was to something called "Organic Consumers Association". Not the same thing.

Here is what the poll actually said:

Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

The "somewhat likely" isn't very convincing. The statistic--if you can call it that--even becmoes more dubious when you factor in the other caveat: "....or took no action to stop them...". Since our defense forces were unable to stop the attacks, one could make that assumption pretty logically with zero sympathy for the whackjob twoofer movement.

 

[CurveLight]

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

Why is it every time you read something you don't like you accuse people of lying? You do it all the time you shitbag. Grow up.

"More than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University Poll."
New National Poll: 36% of Americans Believe 9/11 Was an Inside Job

"A 2007 Zogby poll found that 26 percent of Americans believe the government let it happen."


"On Sept. 11, an NBC reporter quoted New York Fire Department Chief of Safety Albert Turi as saying he believed there were explosives planted in one of the towers. After the attacks, the New York Fire Department interviewed firefighters to create an oral history of 9/11. These tapes—which were not released until 2005—contain numerous references to explosions heard just before the buildings fell. Firefighters for 9/11 Truth, a Web site started in 2008, says the government destroyed evidence that 7 World Trade Center was blown up and hosts a petition asking Congress to look into the possibility that "exotic accelerants" destroyed the buildings."
Do firefighters believe 9/11 conspiracy theories? - By Christopher Beam - Slate Magazine


I love how OCTAs constantly refer to Troofers as whackos and claim only crazy people question that day because it shows they have absolutely no respect for themselves or others.

Please link to where the National Geographic Special said that. Your link was to something called "Organic Consumers Association". Not the same thing.

Here is what the poll actually said:

Thirty-six percent of respondents overall said it is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" that federal officials either participated in the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon or took no action to stop them "because they wanted the United States to go to war in the Middle East."

The "somewhat likely" isn't very convincing. The statistic--if you can call it that--even becmoes more dubious when you factor in the other caveat: "....or took no action to stop them...". Since our defense forces were unable to stop the attacks, one could make that assumption pretty logically with zero sympathy for the whackjob twoofer movement.

"Let it happen" isn't talking about simply a military response. I'm not surprised you don't know what that means just like you didn't know New York kept hundreds of eyewitness testimonies hidden from the public for four years. Why is it we troofers know the factzzz about that day better than you?

 

[Gamolon]

Somehow the vertical steel support columns in each building that run from bedrock to the top floor which are welded together fusing them to be one piece all the way up....cut themselves and blew out of the way fast enough for the top floors in each building to hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside it.

Let's try this again.

You are saying that the CORE COLUMNS were CUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND which led to the TOP FLOORS hitting the ground at almost free-fall speed.

I have shown you that your statement is incorrect. The core columns were not ALL CUT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE GROUND so as to allow the TOP FLOOR to reach the ground at almost free-fall speed. If you didn't know already, the floors were not supported by CORE COLUMNS directly beneath them. They were connected to the sides of the core columns and to the sides of the perimeter columns as shown in this next detail.

Your comment about the columns having to be cut in order for the top FLOORS to reach the ground are asinine because the floor SURROUNDED THE CORE COLUMNS. For the floors to collapse, all you had to do was overload the CONNECTIONS to the columns. Proof of this is shown here in this photo which proves your statement incorrect.

The core is still partially standing, yet the floors have been stripped away. This proves that the columns were not CUT ALL THE WAY DOWN for the top floors to hit the ground.

You have a lot to learn.

 

[Gamolon]

How the fuck did a section of the very bottom of the supports that supported ALL the weight and had ALL the fucking debris fall on them still stand and sections of the core with far less weight and debris on them collapse near the top? Because the very bottom didn't have fucking explosives blowing the columns out of the way.....

Fucking moron...

If the floors were on the OUTSIDE of the core columns as has been explained to you, then what debris are you speaking of that fell onto the core columns?

Elevator motors, electrical panels for those elevators, part of the roof, concrete floors of the mechanical floors...

That's what was in the middle of the core. The floors and perimeter columns surrounded the core.

Get a clue.

 

[CurveLight]

This pretty much sums up why the twoof movement hasn't gone anywhere in 8 years:

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking piece of shits trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

We all look forward to seeing you apologize for the false accusation he lied:


"More than 1/3 of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a 2006 Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll."
channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/facts


Candycorn, I posted the OC link to help show you are anything but honest or informed. That link cites the same study that NG cited. This is simply another example of how OCTAs make false accusations because they are arrogant and ignorant.

 

[creativedreams]

National Geographic just aired some debunking propaganda, which nowadays somehow replaces new official investigations, and said 1/3 of all Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Surely if more Americans took the time to look into it then the percentage would be much higher.

It is you and your fellow debunking dumbasses that are the fucking piece of shits trying to sway and keep from having a new investigation.

In your twisted fucking mind you somehow think you stand for what's right by trying to sway away from a new investigation......

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

We all look forward to seeing you apologize for the false accusation he lied:


"More than 1/3 of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a 2006 Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll."
channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/facts


Candycorn, I posted the OC link to help show you are anything but honest or informed. That link cites the same study that NG cited. This is simply another example of how OCTAs make false accusations because they are arrogant and ignorant.

You disinfo piece of shit......it is the same fucking thing........NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND SPIN THIS SHIT IT STILL SHOWS 1/3 OF ALL AMERICANS BELIEVE IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

 

[creativedreams]

Anyone here watch the new 9/11 debunking tactic on Nat Geo last night?

I am putting together detailed and comprehensive information that will show what a farse it was all the while setting a mood or atmosphere of "what makes people want to believe".

It was basically a "magic show" tactic with psychological propaganda. Listen to the difference in background music compared to the so called scaled down experiments to set the mood diffferences....Look at the Typing style of the words on they use for the "Truth" side compared to the so called scaled down experiment side........and they claim it to be an unbiased piece? BS propaganda again.

Why are we getting BS television propaganda instead of new official investigations nowadays?

At least thay admitted 1/3 of Americans think 9/11 was an inside job.....by the way which is likely a much higher number now...

Can you believe they start off with some propaganda BS right off the bat that 50% of all Americans in 1941, right after it happened, thought Pearl Harbor was intentionally allowed to happen by the government?

I know I never thought that and where did they get those bogus numbers to start their propaganda piece?

Don't you find it a bit odd that our government now resorts to television propaganda to try and sway people instead of having new official investigations?

They place a 1/2" thick horizontal metal beam over the fire with no fireproofing and the same alleged heat. Not only is this a farse because it was NOT placed vertical like the actual support columns....but it was only 1/2" thick compared to the actual vertical core columns that are up to 4.91" thick........that somehow cut themselves and blew out of the way fast enough all the way down so the top floor of each building would hit the ground almost as fast as a ball would if dropped right beside them.

We will get more into how much fireproofing could have been lost and what sides, areas, etc later.

This has nothing to do with the 47 tree trunks, vertical support columns that run from bedrock to the top floor which are welded together fusing them to be one tree trunk each or 47 tree trunks all the way up.

The horizontal beam they heat up could only represent a tree branch, floor truss on the perimeter of the core columns.

They have this same demolition "expert" on every debunking propaganda...

He portrays the dinosaur methods of controlled demolition using dynamite, one of the oldest forms of explosives ever made. There are now countless forms of explosives that have been developed and they play dumb using dynamite with miles of wires. This method of demolition may be more cost economical when bidding demolition contracts instead of using exotic explosives...but don't play it off as the ONLY type of explosives EVER developed.

They play it out like the ONLY way to use explosives is with miles of wires. So your telling me that the cave dwellers in Afghanistan, Iraq etc are more advance than our best military technology when they can use a cell phone wireless signal to detonate bombs? With todays wireless technology they play it out like there MUST have been some evidence of wires.

They clear out the entire floor of the building to show what it's like when controlled demolition explosives go off. This produces thunderous loud bangs trying to prove what it should have sounded like if explosives were used in the WTC buildings.

All the vertical support columns were in the core of the WTC buildings and the outer shell would actually act like a muffler keeping decibels way down. Like the difference on how loud your car before or after the muffler falls off.
Or the difference how loud a gun is with our without a silencer...etc.

I have thoroughly researched controlled demolitions and it is far different than the dinosaur method the debunking propaganda portrays.

There has been extensive research developments on controlled demolition methods. These are in areas of controlling sound decibels, ground vibration, and even controlling horizontal direction of debris. This is to prevent damaging nearby buildings windows by keeping sound decibels down and protect underground pipes by keeping ground vibrations down.

This is accomplished by using many smaller explosives that produce a harmonic rumbling sound and not the loud bangs with fewer larger explosives.

I distincly recall seeing episodes on the learning channels like 15yrs ago where they were showing new technology. One of the things I seen was where they put only one droplet of a substance on an ink pen that was powerful enough so when someone clicked it would have blown their head off. It was liquid form and dried.

I really love the part where they use 5/8" thick cement board which is used for tile backing and call it a scaled down pentagon wall and fire a 500 mile an hour projectile through it...LOL

I really love how they use a lb. of explosives on the whole cement board apparatus and blow the whole thing to smithereens and portray it like another segment of the scaled down experiment...OMFG!!!

They kept showing footage of flight 93 crashsite where there was no sign of a plane and I was really looking forward to hearing that part but they didn't address it.

So why did they try and portray it like those are the only types of explosives available (first type invented) and there have been no further developments in explosives and wireless technology?

There is technology to wireless control several Unmanned Planes with various flight paths and destinations now completely automated with computers but this doesn't cross over to controlling explosives?

 

[CurveLight]

you lie
they did not say 1/3 believe your bullshit

We all look forward to seeing you apologize for the false accusation he lied:


"More than 1/3 of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a 2006 Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll."
channel.nationalgeographic.com/episode/9-11-science-and-conspiracy-4067/facts


Candycorn, I posted the OC link to help show you are anything but honest or informed. That link cites the same study that NG cited. This is simply another example of how OCTAs make false accusations because they are arrogant and ignorant.

You disinfo piece of shit......it is the same fucking thing........NO MATTER HOW YOU TRY AND SPIN THIS SHIT IT STILL SHOWS 1/3 OF ALL AMERICANS BELIEVE IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB.

Hey Jackass, you just called me a piece of shit when I am the one that provided the links proving NG did say 1/3 suspect a false flag op.

 

[creativedreams]

All us so called "Truthers" can do is sit back and watch our country fall apart and become hated by the world......because the likes of you have it in your twisted thoughts that you stand for what's right by swaying people against wanting a new official investigation.

 

[Fizz]

about a third of americans also believe that saddam hussien was behind 9/11. does that mean we need a new investigation to see if he was? no, it just means that about a third of americans are stupid uneducated idiots that will believe almost anything such as "saddam was behind 9/11" or "9/11 was an inside job".

Bill Maher: New Rule: Smart President ≠ Smart Country

 

[slackjawed]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF70L4f9m0c]YouTube - SpongeBob SquarePants-- Prophet of Doom 9-11 Conspiracy[/ame]

 

[DiveCon]

YouTube - SpongeBob SquarePants-- Prophet of Doom 9-11 Conspiracy

 

[CurveLight]

YouTube - SpongeBob SquarePants-- Prophet of Doom 9-11 Conspiracy

You are such a fucking birth regret.

 

[DiveCon]

YouTube - SpongeBob SquarePants-- Prophet of Doom 9-11 Conspiracy

You are such a fucking birth regret.

and the moronic fucking troofer does his projection again

 

[slackjawed]

You are such a fucking birth regret.

and the moronic fucking troofer does his projection again

When one's faith is challenged and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's all one has left; to make personal attacks.

When the facts are not on your side, attack.

When you have no answer to your challengers, attack.


I bet this guy either 11 years old or retarded.

Yes dammit I said retarded!

 

[Liability]

I watched that, at the insistence of the wife.
What I saw, even during the 'experiments', was a show designed to show how stubborn and quick to discredit information that doesn't fit their narrative that "truthers", the hard core ones, can be.

The truthers on the show did the same thing you are doing, going out of their way to "prove" the 'debunking' is wrong. debunking the debunking.

The show was successful in showing that. At the end they even said that some of the truthers would never believe anything, despite how or who proved it.

Now, carry on with all your point by point arguments for or against your favorite 911 theories.....

It is I who knows what really happened.
If your not talking about space aliens, midgets and elvis, your on the wrong track.

So what manipulating steps were taken to slowly evolve our country to have "debunking propaganda" instead of new official investigations when the citizens ask for one?

I have unanswered questions about the Lincoln Assassination.

I have unanswered questions about the John F. Kennedy Assassination.

I have unanswered questions about the Robert F. Kennedy Assassination.

I have unanswered questions about the the Pearl Harbor attack.

I have unanswered questions about Area 51.

We should re-open all old investigations, because some of us (Americans, no less) have "questions!"

No really. I'm asking for one, so that should be all that's needed to engage in a complete do-over!

 

[DiveCon]

You are such a fucking birth regret.

and the moronic fucking troofer does his projection again

When one's faith is challenged and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's all one has left; to make personal attacks.

When the facts are not on your side, attack.

When you have no answer to your challengers, attack.


I bet this guy either 11 years old or retarded.

Yes dammit I said retarded!

i'd lean to the side of BOTH

 

[CurveLight]

You are such a fucking birth regret.

and the moronic fucking troofer does his projection again

When one's faith is challenged and it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny, it's all one has left; to make personal attacks.

When the facts are not on your side, attack.

When you have no answer to your challengers, attack.


I bet this guy either 11 years old or retarded.

Yes dammit I said retarded!

What are you talking about? Divecon accused someone of lying about what NG said so I posted the link showing his accusation is pure bullshit and he and his little buddies, like you, completely ignore that then claim the facts are not on m side? Rotfl....his ignoring the facts is why I say he is a piece if shit.