Kosh
Quick Look Over There!
Tell us Ian, how cold do you and Mr Homewood think it was last year? Do you believe the Earth is cooling off?
Looks like the Earth is cooling, what does the AGW cult see?
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Tell us Ian, how cold do you and Mr Homewood think it was last year? Do you believe the Earth is cooling off?
Poor Crick found one leg of a Sine Wave that is earths cyclical pattern...Okay, here's the last 50 years in 3 month steps:
I have yet to see an explanation why they keep forgetting the mid-evil warm period, they have found evidence of crocodiles as far north as New England, but what we have now is record setting, give me a break.
The 'mid-evil' warm period was a slow and gradual change that took about 450 years. We've surpassed it. And have done so in about 50 years.
On a geological scale? Really Ian? Not very impressive. We were talking about a trend that began 14 years ago. Where does that fall on your graphic? Three-fourths of the way through the last pixel?
I am waiting for you to actually say something that is remotely intelligent.I am waiting for Faithers to suggest processed cheese is rediscovered every ten million years or so and throws the planet in to a methane gas cycle that overheats the Earth and makes it smelly....
Funny, That is what we think about you.I am waiting for you to actually say something that is remotely intelligent.I am waiting for Faithers to suggest processed cheese is rediscovered every ten million years or so and throws the planet in to a methane gas cycle that overheats the Earth and makes it smelly....
Again, one small area, hardly acceptable to judge the whole of the world by what we see here.
Summer temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age inferred from varved proglacial lake sediments in southern Alaska - Springer
Abstract
For the heavily glaciated mountains of southern Alaska, few high-resolution, millennial-scale proxy temperature reconstructions are available for comparison with modern temperatures or with the history of glacier fluctuations. Recent catastrophic drainage of glacier-dammed Iceberg Lake, on the northern margin of the Bagley Icefield, exposed subaerial outcrops of varved lacustrine sediments that span the period 442–1998 AD. Here, an updated chronology of varve thickness measurements is used to quantitatively reconstruct melt-season temperature anomalies. From 1958 to 1998, varve thickness has a positive and marginally significant correlation with May–June temperatures at the nearest coastal measurement stations. Varve sensitivity to temperature has changed over time, however, in response to lake level changes in 1957 and earlier. I compensate for this by log-transforming the varve thickness chronology, and also by using a 400-year-long tree-ring-based temperature proxy to reconstruct melt-season temperatures at Iceberg Lake. Regression against this longer proxy record is statistically weak, but spans the full range of occupied lake levels and varve sensitivities. Reconstructed temperature anomalies have broad confidence intervals, but nominally span 1.1°C over the last 1500+ years. Maximum temperatures occurred in the late twentieth century, with a minimum in the late sixth century. The Little Ice Age is present as three cool periods between 1350 and 1850 AD with maximum cooling around 1650 AD. A Medieval Warm Period is evident from 1000 to 1100 AD, but the temperature reconstruction suggests it was less warm than recent decades—an observation supported by independent geological evidence of recent glacier retreat that is unprecedented over the period of record.
Untrue. The MWP was much warmer than the current day. Wine grapes were able to be planted as far north as Scotland. Good luck trying to do that today.
Also the warming was NOT gradual during the MWP, it was sudden and global. Over 100 peer reviewed papers show warming in the northern and southern hemispheres. Here in my own backyard the MWP was 2 degree's C warmer during the MWP then the present day.
http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/millar/psw_2006_millar027.pdf
Yes, "one small area" but those "small areas" are all over the world. So, what to make of them? Either, those "small little areas" were incredibly strange, and somehow defied the laws of physics by being extremely small localized areas that somehow managed to stay extremely warm compared to the areas around them....or, the whole planet was warmer, and for a very long time.
How do we reconcile these two POV? Well, the best way is too look at OTHER sources of information and wouldn't you know it, those pesky priests and natural scientists back then kept pretty good records (they had to for tax purposes) and they show beyond any question that the MWP was both warmer and wetter than the present day.
The records from China say the same thing. And from Japan. The records are also corroborated by archeological information from central and south America.
No olfraud, no matter how desperately you fools try and disappear the MWP, real facts and real historical data is always going to bite you in the ass.
Untrue. The MWP was much warmer than the current day. Wine grapes were able to be planted as far north as Scotland. Good luck trying to do that today.
It's interesting to see how denier myths evolve. The myth was originally "grown in England", but since people showed so many examples of how wine grapes are still grown in England and have always been grown in England, the deniers have moved their grape example further north into Scotland. Given how much importance they put in their myth (that grapes can't be grown now in Scotland), it almost seems cruel to show them Adam Smith describing how grapes were grown in Scotland during his time.
Adam Smith on growing grapes in Scotland Utopia - you are standing in it
Also the warming was NOT gradual during the MWP, it was sudden and global. Over 100 peer reviewed papers show warming in the northern and southern hemispheres. Here in my own backyard the MWP was 2 degree's C warmer during the MWP then the present day.
http://www.fs.fed.us/psw/publications/millar/psw_2006_millar027.pdf
Yes, "one small area" but those "small areas" are all over the world. So, what to make of them? Either, those "small little areas" were incredibly strange, and somehow defied the laws of physics by being extremely small localized areas that somehow managed to stay extremely warm compared to the areas around them....or, the whole planet was warmer, and for a very long time.
If the MWP was global, data for the whole world would show it for the whole period.
It doesn't. Not even close. The data shows pretty much the opposite. Most spots outside of the northern Europe area show no warming, while some scattered spots show brief warming, with each scattered spot warming during a different time than the other scattered spots.
You're relying on a brazen and obvious cherrypicking fallacy. Good scientists instantly recognize your fallacy, which is why they reject your pseudoscience.
How do we reconcile these two POV? Well, the best way is too look at OTHER sources of information and wouldn't you know it, those pesky priests and natural scientists back then kept pretty good records (they had to for tax purposes) and they show beyond any question that the MWP was both warmer and wetter than the present day.
The records from China say the same thing. And from Japan. The records are also corroborated by archeological information from central and south America.
That's just your cherrypicking fallacy again, mixed in with a lot of handwaving.
No olfraud, no matter how desperately you fools try and disappear the MWP, real facts and real historical data is always going to bite you in the ass.
Is it that you don't understand what a cherrypicking fallacy is? Or is that you do understand, and just don't care, because the big lie pushes your cult agenda?
You can keep raging in your cult bubble, but the outside world is going to keep ignoring you. That's not because of a vast socialist conspiracy; it's because your science sucks.
No, the point was how easy it was for them to be grown in England then with no modern contrivances as opposed to now, where they must use those contrivances to grow them.
During the MWP England rivaled France in wine production. How is that working now?
BTW, the most northerly vineyard in the present day is in Norway. A south facing slope and it benefits from the Gulf Stream which warms the surrounding area.
They are also getting ready to harvest the first grapes from a vineyard in the Firth of Forth area, I believe this year, with once again a south facing slope and benefits of the current.
Yes, and one of your papers, based on ocean sediments from the Indian Ocean, stated that they estimated the whole of the warming in the MWP, worldwide, to be no more than 0.2 C. Where we have already quadrupled that today.