Nadler announces sweeping document requests, says Trump obstructed justice

[WillowTree]

but, he has no recourse to investigate and hold them accountable outside of the FBI?

Uh...what other recourse would ever be needed? What in the world are you complaining about? It's only the largest, most well equipped investigative body on the planet. And they refer criminal charges to the best justice system on the planet.

While every other American is bound by the law and due process, the president is above prosecution, in every practical sense. For you to try to contrive some sort of ass backwards argument that this state of affairs is skewed against the president is absurd.

And have been proven to be corrupt! Dumbass!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And have been proven to be corrupt!

Sorry, my little Russian friend. In my country, this is not decided on the whims of a dictator or on those of his cultists.

 

[WillowTree]

And have been proven to be corrupt!

Sorry, my little Russian friend. In my country, this is not decided on the whims of a dictator or on those of his cultists.

Proven! Dumbass!

 

[shockedcanadian]

You already have an extensive investigation, with little evidence

Stop right there. I am not going to allow you to pinch off these piles of crap and then just keep talking.

How could you possibly know what evidence Mueller and the new York and DC federal prosecutors' offices do or do not possess? We would all like to know.

Based on leaks and a lack of announcement? What would have expected something by now 2 years later, and Cohen himself has hurt the investigation with his claim that he wasn't in Prague.

I've always said I will wait to see the results. This, by the way, is the same B,S the Dems put forward before the Mid Terms. Hannity called it, he said there would be endless investigations if they won and don't trust them.

Lo and behold. Certainly, the trust of the Democrat Party has to be in decline.

 

[WillowTree]

You already have an extensive investigation, with little evidence

Stop right there. I am not going to allow you to pinch off these piles of crap and then just keep talking.

How could you possibly know what evidence Mueller and the new York and DC federal prosecutors' offices do or do not possess? We would all like to know.

Based on leaks and a lack of announcement? What would have expected something by now 2 years later, and Cohen himself has hurt the investigation with his claim that he wasn't in Prague.

I've always said I will wait to see the results. This, by the way, is the same B,S the Dems put forward before the Mid Terms. Hannity called it, he said there would be endless investigations if they won and don't trust them.

Lo and behold. Certainly, the trust of the Democrat Party has to be in decline.

Democrats are fuckstains!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Based on leaks and a lack of announcement?

What leaks? Someone leaked the complete list of the evidence possessed by the special counsel and the federal prosecutors' offices in new York and DC? Haha... You're scrambling, dude.

Lack of announcement? Well that's certainly an absurd argument as well. So, the Mueller team possessed no evidence on Roger stone, in December of last year? Well then, clearly they have none, since nothing was announced. Won't that be comforting to Mr. Stone and his attorneys!

Cohen himself has hurt the investigation with his claim that he wasn't in Prague.

No he has not. You are conflating the speculation of observers that know jack shit (ring a bell?) with the actual investigation. And Mr. Cohen blatantly lied about his alibi, and he is being careful these days not to say he was "never near Prague" and "never in Czechoslovakia". What of that?

I've always said I will wait to see the results.

Well, good. That is certainly a better and more honest tack than just about everything else you have said.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Based on leaks and a lack of announcement?

What leaks? Someone leaked the complete list of the evidence possessed by the special counsel and the federal prosecutors' offices in new York and DC? Haha... You're scrambling, dude.

Lack of announcement? Well that's certainly an absurd argument as well. So, the Mueller team possessed no evidence on Roger stone, in December of last year? Well then, clearly they have none, since nothing was announced. Won't that be comforting to Mr. Stone and his attorneys!

Cohen himself has hurt the investigation with his claim that he wasn't in Prague.

No he has not. You are conflating the speculation of observers that know jack shit (ring a bell?) with the actual investigation. And Mr. Cohen blatantly lied about his alibi, and he is being careful these days not to say he was "never near Prague" and "never in Czechoslovakia". What of that?

I've always said I will wait to see the results.

Well, good. That is certainly a better and more honest tack than just about everything else you have said.

Yes the lack of leaks tell you all you need to know. Recall all the leaks early on in his presidency. Without the media having any details illustrates there is nothing there.

If you had to wager if Trump was involved in collusion or not based on the last two years of effort and investigation, with a few former Hillary lawyers and patsies, would you do so?

We can wait. Nothing points to any collusion and this effort of constant pressure by the Democrats shows they have no policies or anything that American Citizens find appealing, so they go to the same old same old.

I hope as some on here suggest that Americans see through this charade.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes the lack of leaks tell you all you need to know.

That is clearly absurd, which i tried to demonstrate for you with an illustration on Roger stone.

If you had to wager if Trump was involved in collusion or not based on the last two years of effort and investigation, with a few former Hillary lawyers and patsies, would you do so?

Absolutely. I think it seems pretty obvious that he was likely aware that members of his campaign and his bestie Stone were coordinating the release of emails stolen by Russians. Now, proving that is a different story. There may be no smoking gun. That's one of the reasons we have RICO laws.

 

[caddo kid]

and you think unlimited power to investigate for another 2 years is warranted and legit?

Yes, of course. That is the power reserved by the co-equal legislative branch. Again, you're getting into US civics.

Then Trump has to hit back hard and let the American People see what's behind their motives.

I am seeing people openly wanting to destroy America, your Constitution and the most treasured of American institutions. The biggest winner in all of this is China, Putin not far behind as he sees Americas system of Republic being harmed by Open Borders and so many other ridiculous policies that the Global Socialist have

After 2 years of Mueller, the House is now the top law enforcement agency in the U.S?

Can't beat him on policies, afraid you're losing all future voters when a wall is built, worried about another Conservative Supreme Court Judge?

No problem, just harass and try and get rid of the president who was democratically elected.

Nadler announces sweeping document requests, says Trump obstructed justice

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, who would oversee any impeachment proceedings against President Trump, announced that he will submit more than 60 document requests to the White House and Justice Department on Monday -- a barrage that Nadler called the opening salvo in new and wide-ranging investigations.

Congressional Democrats have repeatedly promised to exercise tight oversight of the Trump administration since securing a majority in the House of Representatives in last November's midterms. But Nadler's comments signaled clearly that Democratic leaders are no longer counting on Special Counsel Robert Mueller's forthcoming report on possible Russia collusion to contain damning evidence against the Trump administration.


“Tomorrow, we will be issuing document requests to over 60 different people and individuals from the White House to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump, Jr., [Trump Organization CFO] Allen Weisselberg, to begin the investigations to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power,” Nadler, D-NY., said on ABC News' "This Week."

He added that the goal of the probe was "to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power."

Asked by anchor George Stephanopoulos whether he thinks Trump obstructed justice in the Russia investigation, Nadler replied: "Yes, I do. ... It's very clear that the president obstructed justice."

So, lemme guess, you are NOT for transparent government?

The GOP members failed to exercise oversight; maybe the Dems will mop the floors better?

Transparent government, not perpetual persecution of the President.

This is purely political, and it's cowardly. Bet on this, the biggest losers are Americans, your businesses, jobs and the future of your Constitution.

Was the witch hunt against Kavanaugh "transparency"? How about allegations against Trump from women who quickly disappeared after he was elected?

China and their pals who make it rich from these Communists are going to destroy America if you don't wake up and call it as you see it, and they won't have to fire a shot.

And remind me; HOW LONG did the Whitewater investigation go on?

You already have an extensive investigation, with little evidence, and it's been given broad powers and been going on for two years.

If there is nothing there, there's nothing there. Did they investigate Nixons life 20 years prior? His family?

This is more than a slippery slope. This is a direct extension of what many suggested Obama was doing in private to Conservatives. This will have a trickle down effect and elections will mean nothing more than "how much can we investigate and conjure up for 20 years prior for this person"?

OK, I understand; you can NOT answer a simple question. Thanks

 

[caddo kid]

Yes the lack of leaks tell you all you need to know.

That is clearly absurd, which i tried to demonstrate for you with an illustration on Roger stone.

If you had to wager if Trump was involved in collusion or not based on the last two years of effort and investigation, with a few former Hillary lawyers and patsies, would you do so?

Absolutely. I think it seems pretty obvious that he was likely aware that members of his campaign and his bestie Stone were coordinating the release of emails stolen by Russians. Now, proving that is a different story. There may be no smoking gun. That's one of the reasons we have RICO laws.

I have been stating since the late 1980s that Trump will eventually meet justice via the RICO Act

 

[shockedcanadian]

Yes the lack of leaks tell you all you need to know.

That is clearly absurd, which i tried to demonstrate for you with an illustration on Roger stone.

If you had to wager if Trump was involved in collusion or not based on the last two years of effort and investigation, with a few former Hillary lawyers and patsies, would you do so?

Absolutely. I think it seems pretty obvious that he was likely aware that members of his campaign and his bestie Stone were coordinating the release of emails stolen by Russians. Now, proving that is a different story. There may be no smoking gun. That's one of the reasons we have RICO laws.

So, if you accept that premise, than do you accept the premise that Hillary Clinton and her team knew about the payment for the Steele Dossier? She claims she knew nothing about it. Her word is good, Trumps isn't?

Yes, you have to prove things. I know some very bad activities by some very bad cops who used to be covert. I can't prove all of it (I can prove enough), but, that which I cannot prove, I can't bring to a Courtroom. They are walking freely to f others lives and to make mint and a Golden Pension.

He might have rode the line, I don't know, but, Trump didn't win the election because of Putin. This much I am confident of.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

After 2 years of Mueller, the House is now the top law enforcement agency in the U.S?

Can't beat him on policies, afraid you're losing all future voters when a wall is built, worried about another Conservative Supreme Court Judge?

No problem, just harass and try and get rid of the president who was democratically elected.

Nadler announces sweeping document requests, says Trump obstructed justice

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerry Nadler, who would oversee any impeachment proceedings against President Trump, announced that he will submit more than 60 document requests to the White House and Justice Department on Monday -- a barrage that Nadler called the opening salvo in new and wide-ranging investigations.

Congressional Democrats have repeatedly promised to exercise tight oversight of the Trump administration since securing a majority in the House of Representatives in last November's midterms. But Nadler's comments signaled clearly that Democratic leaders are no longer counting on Special Counsel Robert Mueller's forthcoming report on possible Russia collusion to contain damning evidence against the Trump administration.


“Tomorrow, we will be issuing document requests to over 60 different people and individuals from the White House to the Department of Justice, Donald Trump, Jr., [Trump Organization CFO] Allen Weisselberg, to begin the investigations to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power,” Nadler, D-NY., said on ABC News' "This Week."

He added that the goal of the probe was "to present the case to the American people about obstruction of justice, corruption and abuse of power."

Asked by anchor George Stephanopoulos whether he thinks Trump obstructed justice in the Russia investigation, Nadler replied: "Yes, I do. ... It's very clear that the president obstructed justice."

Nadler is abusing his power and he is attacking our democracy.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

do you accept the premise that Hillary Clinton and her team knew about the payment for the Steele Dossier?

Unfortunately for your attempt at whataboutism, the clinton campaign was careful to follow the rules and pay Fusion GPS. That has been investigated already. If you want to get upset that you feel there is a double standard, then direct your ire at the ignorant criminals trump surrounded himself with to run his campaign.

but, Trump didn't win the election because of Putin.

Hmm, no, he very well may have. He squeaked in on three swing States by a grand total of 70,000 votes. I find it very easy to believe that the Russian propaganda campaign could have produced that difference. Did it? We will never know for sure.

 

[shockedcanadian]

do you accept the premise that Hillary Clinton and her team knew about the payment for the Steele Dossier?

Unfortunately for your attempt at whataboutism, the clinton campaign was careful to follow the rules and pay Fusion GPS. That has been investigated already. If you want to get upset that you feel there is a double standard, then direct your ire at the ignorant criminals trump surrounded himself with to run his campaign.

but, Trump didn't win the election because of Putin.

Hmm, no, he very well may have. He squeaked in on three swing States by a grand total of 70,000 votes. I find it very easy to believe that the Russian propaganda campaign could have produced that difference. Did it? We will never know for sure.

If she couldn't win with most of the world, all of Hollywood, all of the Establishment, the Pope, foreign leaders, former President and his pals, and a billion dollars plus. Frankly, she doesn't deserve to win and a few leaked emails weren't going to turn the tide.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

do you accept the premise that Hillary Clinton and her team knew about the payment for the Steele Dossier?

Unfortunately for your attempt at whataboutism, the clinton campaign was careful to follow the rules and pay Fusion GPS. That has been investigated already. If you want to get upset that you feel there is a double standard, then direct your ire at the ignorant criminals trump surrounded himself with to run his campaign.

but, Trump didn't win the election because of Putin.

Hmm, no, he very well may have. He squeaked in on three swing States by a grand total of 70,000 votes. I find it very easy to believe that the Russian propaganda campaign could have produced that difference. Did it? We will never know for sure.

If she couldn't win with the World, all of Hollywood, all of the Establishment, the Pope, foreign leaders, former President and his pals, and a billion dollars plus. Frankly, she doesn't deserve to win and a few leaked emails weren't going to turn the tide.

Well that's all a pretty word salad, but it doesn't address a word i said.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump did promise a transparent government. Watch the democrats fulfill his bullshit promise.

Lol, Obama promised to have the most transparent administration in history. Which was a whopper of a lie.

All presidents promise that before they enter the secret world of the White House. While a certain amount of secrecy is proper the real test of transparency is how they react to congressional document requests.

Oh....you mean by stonewalling and destroying evidence like Obama did???

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Trump did promise a transparent government. Watch the democrats fulfill his bullshit promise.

Lol, Obama promised to have the most transparent administration in history. Which was a whopper of a lie.

All presidents promise that before they enter the secret world of the White House. While a certain amount of secrecy is proper the real test of transparency is how they react to congressional document requests.

Oh....you mean by stonewalling and destroying evidence like Obama did???

^^

Trump cultist can't be satisfied with 50 million Obama bashing threads. Has to make all threads Obama bashing threads. Sick fetish.

 

[shockedcanadian]

do you accept the premise that Hillary Clinton and her team knew about the payment for the Steele Dossier?

Unfortunately for your attempt at whataboutism, the clinton campaign was careful to follow the rules and pay Fusion GPS. That has been investigated already. If you want to get upset that you feel there is a double standard, then direct your ire at the ignorant criminals trump surrounded himself with to run his campaign.

but, Trump didn't win the election because of Putin.

Hmm, no, he very well may have. He squeaked in on three swing States by a grand total of 70,000 votes. I find it very easy to believe that the Russian propaganda campaign could have produced that difference. Did it? We will never know for sure.

If she couldn't win with the World, all of Hollywood, all of the Establishment, the Pope, foreign leaders, former President and his pals, and a billion dollars plus. Frankly, she doesn't deserve to win and a few leaked emails weren't going to turn the tide.

Well that's all a pretty word salad, but it doesn't address a word i said.

Can you name even one person who said "yeah, I saw some emails and decided, I'm going to change my vote to Trump instead of Hillary"?

Talk about avoiding facts. She was weak. Her policies would have allowed the continuation of Chinas rise and U.S demise. You'd probably already be in a war or two and no concerns at your border.

When comparing the two on policies, who needed emails to change their vote?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Can you name even one person who said "yeah, I saw some emails leas and decided, I'm going to change my vote to Trump instead of Hillary"?

What an absurd, desperate question. How many people do you think I know? And how many people would admit to such a thing, when they aren't even aware it has happened? None. Thats literally the entire point of a propaganda campaign.

On the other hand, you are now trying (poorly) to argue that propaganda campaigns have zero effect. Of course, that is laughably wrong . Russians undertake these efforts, because they are effective. People buy campaign ads, because they are effective. People write op-eds and give speeches on the campaign trail, because they are effective.

The Russians undertake these efforts in other countries, too. They did so before 2016, and they continue to do so, because they see a return on their investment. I can promise you, Putin saw the election of trump as a smashing success of his own efforts .

And, as someone who complains about "biased media", you make a mockery of yourself to then say out of the other side of your neck that people cannot be influenced by the information to which they are exposed.

 

[mudwhistle]

Trump did promise a transparent government. Watch the democrats fulfill his bullshit promise.

Lol, Obama promised to have the most transparent administration in history. Which was a whopper of a lie.

All presidents promise that before they enter the secret world of the White House. While a certain amount of secrecy is proper the real test of transparency is how they react to congressional document requests.

Oh....you mean by stonewalling and destroying evidence like Obama did???

^^

Trump cultist can't be satisfied with 50 million Obama bashing threads. Has to make all threads Obama bashing threads. Sick fetish.

I'm just relating the facts.
Trump is being investigated politically in an attempt to turn legal activities into criminal activities.
They were investigating Trump for shit he supposedly did before he became president.
Obama was investigated for shit he did while president.
And Obama's administration refused to cooperate.
Several members were called to testify before congress and refused to appear...many even plead the 5th.
Most of the ones that did show up refused to answer questions using an excuse that an investigation is underway and they could not comment.