My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

[hadit]

Rittenhouse was also an armed vigilantes breaking curfew. Breaking the law is NOT acceptable for either side.. You don't understand that and that's why you and TRump are unAmerican.

He didn't do anything vigilante like. He didn't, for example, chase down anyone to shoot them, hit them with a skateboard, or kick them in the head. He only fired when attacked and he couldn't retreat. You DO remember the prosecution's witness that Rittenhouse only fired on him after he pulled out his own gun, right? OTOH, those who went after him were CERTAINLY vigilantes if you believe they thought they were stopping an active shooter.

 

[bendog]

Rittenhouse was also an armed vigilantes breaking curfew. Breaking the law is NOT acceptable for either side.. You don't understand that and that's why you and TRump are unAmerican.

Exactly. Responding to hooliganism be becoming a hooligan is not a positive action. But of course the protestors were themselves "rioting" over cops acting as hooligans. The progressives managed to change the media message for cops who need to be in prison to it being ok for a punk to shoot people. Remarkable.

 

[Flash]

Rittenhouse was also an armed vigilantes breaking curfew. Breaking the law is NOT acceptable for either side.. You don't understand that and that's why you and TRump are unAmerican.

This has been explained to you many times but you being a stupid uneducated low information Moon Bat you simply do not have the capacity to understand.

The vigilantes were the hateful mob that tried to kill Kyle because he was trying to help put out one of their street fires.

How many more times does this have to be explained to you on how many more threads?

 

[westwall]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

continued

Give it a rest fakey mcfakerson. Why do you support child rapists?

 

[westwall]

This has been explained to you many times but you being a stupid uneducated low information Moon Bat you simply do not have the capacity to understand.

The vigilantes were the hateful mob that tried to kill Kyle because he was trying to help put out one of their street fires.

How many more times does this have to be explained to you on how many many more threads?

No, they were RIOTERS! There were no vigilantes. You people have no ******* clue what the word even means.

 

[bendog]

He didn't do anything vigilante like. He didn't, for example, chase down anyone to shoot them, hit them with a skateboard, or kick them in the head. He only fired when attacked and he couldn't retreat. You DO remember the prosecution's witness that Rittenhouse only fired on him after he pulled out his own gun, right? OTOH, those who went after him were CERTAINLY vigilantes if you believe they thought they were stopping an active shooter.

He armed himself and drove to another state so he could intimidate people whose protests he didn't like. It's not illegal. But it is being a vigilante
vig·i·lan·te
/ˌvijəˈlan(t)ē/
noun

• 1.a member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate.
• owered by Oxford Dictionaries

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Killing two people and maiming another is a serious matter. He was armed, underaged and breaking curfew in defiance of the police. I just can't support vigilantism whether Republican or Democrat.

But, we don't see you getting this hyped up over the riots.

 

[Dragonlady]

If a jury remains uninformed, that is the fault of the prosecution.

In this case, it was the fault of the judge who refused to allow any of that evidence to be raised in court. "Prejudicial" to tell the jury he hung out with the Proud Boys. Prejudicial that he told people in the CV that he wished he had his gun to shoot protestors. Prejudicial that he punched a girl in the face.

Last but not least, in Wisconsin, if you plead self-defense in a murder trial, the prosecution has an obligation to prove you weren't defending yourself and that you intended to kill your victims. Wait. The prosecutor can't call the people he shot "victims". That's prejudicial. Call them "rioters" and "looters" instead.

The jury remained uninformed because the judge wouldn't not have anything revealed to the jury about Kyle that might inform the jury as to the character and intentions of the accused.

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing has interdicted Rittenhouse's behavior. "Justice" has doomed him.

Rittenhouse says he fired former attorney Lin Wood because ...

Rittenhouse says he fired former attorney Lin Wood because of his support for QAnon and election-fraud conspiracy theories

"He's insane… how he thinks he's God and he just says all these weird things," said Rittenhouse of Lin Wood, who used to represent him.

news.yahoo.com

Nov 24, 2021 · Kyle Rittenhouse said that he fired his former attorney, Lin Wood, because of his belief in QAnon and election-fraud conspiracy theories. Rittenhouse made the claim in …

Why would Rittenhouse's behavior need to be "interdicted?" It was perfectly legal

 

[bendog]

No, they were RIOTERS! There were no vigilantes. You people have no ******* clue what the word even means.

The vigilantes took it upon themselves to punish rioters.

 

[bendog]

In this case, it was the fault of the judge who refused to allow any of that evidence to be raised in court. "Prejudicial" to tell the jury he hung out with the Proud Boys. Prejudicial that he told people in the CV that he wished he had his gun to shoot protestors. Prejudicial that he punched a girl in the face.

Last but not least, in Wisconsin, if you plead self-defense in a murder trial, the prosecution has an obligation to prove you weren't defending yourself and that you intended to kill your victims. Wait. The prosecutor can't call the people he shot "victims". That's prejudicial. Call them "rioters" and "looters" instead.

The jury remained uninformed because the judge wouldn't not have anything revealed to the jury about Kyle that might inform the jury as to the character and intentions of the accused.

if you plead self-defense in a murder trial, the prosecution has an obligation to prove you weren't defending yourself and that you intended to kill your victims.\

That's not a bad thing. The Klan would not have lasted as long if blacks had the ability to fully arm and defend themselves.

 

[westwall]

Self-defense and vigilantism are NOTHING alike.

For once you are correct.

 

[marvin martian]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

continued

Cope harder, commie.

 

[westwall]

Rittenhouse is doomed .. Now he's turned on Trump friend and attorney who is a QAnon follower and claims Deep State is Republican.

The boy was denied restorative justice.

Yeah, just like you proclaimed Sandmann would never get a dime.

Your predictions suck worse than the globull warming doofi.

 

[Dragonlady]

He didn't do anything vigilante like. He didn't, for example, chase down anyone to shoot them, hit them with a skateboard, or kick them in the head. He only fired when attacked and he couldn't retreat. You DO remember the prosecution's witness that Rittenhouse only fired on him after he pulled out his own gun, right? OTOH, those who went after him were CERTAINLY vigilantes if you believe they thought they were stopping an active shooter.

Kyle Rittenhouse is the very definition of vigilante. He is not law enforcement, private security, or even trained to help keep the peace. Yes, the third guy he shot was armed. Would you go after a guy with an AR15 who had already shot 2 people WITHOUT a gun? That would be really stupid of you.

Nobody chased Kyle until after pointed his gun at a protestor starting a dumpster fire. At that point Rittenhouse became a danger to the protestors and needed to be disarmed. He shot and killed the first guy who tried to stop him. After that, he was the killer they were trying to take down.

 

[Flash]

No, they were RIOTERS! There were no vigilantes. You people have no ******* clue what the word even means.

You have no ******* idea what the word means. The BLM/ANTIFA assholes were taking the law into their own hands by punishing Kyle for going against their street law and that sure as hell was vigilantism.

The Democrat leadership in that town were letting the assholes get away with doing anything they wanted and they thought they were entitled to dish out their own street justice by attacking Kyle.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yeah, just like you proclaimed Sandmann would never get a dime.

Your predictions suck worse than the globull warming doofi.

How do you know that Sandmann got anything? Lin Wood - the same idiot Rittenhouse fired, was Sandmann's lawyer. The settlement is private and sealed.

I don't think he got any money at all because he didn't have a case. The case was tossed the first time, and the second time wasn't going any better. I'll bet Lin Wood got a lot more money than Sandmann ever saw.

 

[westwall]

The vigilantes took it upon themselves to punish rioters.

The kid, putting out arson fires was FORCED to kill scumbags who wanted to murder him for putting out their arson fire.

 

[Flash]

Nobody chased Kyle until after pointed his gun at a protestor starting a dumpster fire. At that point Rittenhouse became a danger to the protestors and needed to be disarmed. He shot and killed the first guy who tried to stop him. After that, he was the killer they were trying to take down.

Wrong! Kyle did not point his weapon until after he was attacked by the Pedophile. After that he used it to defend against a shithead that tried to bash him over the head with a skateboard and another asshole that threatened him with a loaded Glock.

The street vigilantes attacked Kyle because they thought he was an easy target and they wanted to punish him for trying to help put out one of their destructive fires.

You can do all the revisionists bullshit you want Moon Bat but a jury, after hearing all the evidence, found that it was self defense against a vigilante street mob.

 

[westwall]

Kyle Rittenhouse is the very definition of vigilante. He is not law enforcement, private security, or even trained to help keep the peace. Yes, the third guy he shot was armed. Would you go after a guy with an AR15 who had already shot 2 people WITHOUT a gun? That would be really stupid of you.

Nobody chased Kyle until after pointed his gun at a protestor starting a dumpster fire. At that point Rittenhouse became a danger to the protestors and needed to be disarmed. He shot and killed the first guy who tried to stop him. After that, he was the killer they were trying to take down.

Only if English isn't your primary language.