My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

[Hang on Sloopy]

Dude the public was at increased threat when BLM and antifa rampaged through an innocent Town attacking an innocent neighborhood. The best part about this whole thing is that three white guys attacked a fourth white guy and sat in front of a white judge and mostly white jury. If you're looking for anything other than that I suggest you turn over a few rocks and see what you can dig up for dead animals..... Or better yet maybe look at some Rachel Dolezal pornography.

The best part of the whole riot was the offing of two oxygen wasting parasites and it was actually good that one of them only got his arm blasted off so he could hang around and tell the story.



Jo

I love looking at that fuckers face when he realizes his arm is spaghetti. Wish he still would have charged him though

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

If anyone wants to know how the legal system works

If you are a libturd you can get away with anything

If not, you will pay the most severest of penalties.

That is our justice system

 

[SweetTea]

Not against juries But they must meet the qualifications

Superior credit

Able to pass a strict civics and English comprehension tests

No criminal or civil suits

Preferably degreed

Maybe we should do the same for voters? I don't think Democrats would fare too well with those restrictions in place.

 

[SweetTea]

Killing two people and maiming another is a serious matter. He was armed, underaged and breaking curfew in defiance of the police. I just can't support vigilantism whether Republican or Democrat.

The case wasn't about vigilantism. It was about self-defense.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

Maybe we should do the same for voters? I don't think Democrats would fare too well with those restrictions in place.

I would go with the civics test and English comprehension in the voting

Especially our deceased or fictional electorate

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

The case wasn't about vigilantism. It was about self-defense.

This thick headed idjit will never agree

I think they should make a video game.

5 points for a diddler
4 for a murderer
3 for a rapist
2 for a violent felon
1 for a felon

5 points taken away if you only blow their arm off

 

[justoffal]

Restorative justice believes that the perpetrator of crime is also a victim. The perpetrator and the chosen victim must be counseled together to understand the causes of the crime and how the chosen victim participated. There is no incarceration just understanding and healing to restore the parties to wholeness.

Crime is better solved by the victim using a glock.

There is also no incarceration when the perpetrator gets offed legally.

 

[bendog]

Did you read the whole article?

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This process focuses on justifying punishment for offenders who have been convicted beyond reasonable doubt, but uninformed juries cannot make informed decisions.

This is not justice, and it does nothing for healing. The families of the victims, the communities, Kyle Rittenhouse, and so on … nothing about the process is intended to help them heal or find closure. Punitive justice serves a role, but there are other options. The verdict only affirms that the US remains committed to its long history of vigilantism, an ugly bloodlust embedded throughout the American mythology promoting white supremacy.

no, he could not have read the link and still have made his usual type of comments.

BUT the reason the punk is not in jail with a bunch of really bad people who have "a bone to pick with him" is apparently because the State failed to prove that AT THE TIME HE SHOT THREE PEOPLE there weren't facts that would put a person in reasonable fear of being killed or seriously injured. Kyle is a punk, but he is also an individual who has a right to arm himself with a semi-auto rifle, travel to another state where he doesn't live, and try and scare protestors.

 

[surada]

no, he could not have read the link and still have made his usual type of comments.

BUT the reason the punk is not in jail with a bunch of really bad people who have "a bone to pick with him" is apparently because the State failed to prove that AT THE TIME HE SHOT THREE PEOPLE there weren't facts that would put a person in reasonable fear of being killed or seriously injured. Kyle is a punk, but he is also an individual who has a right to arm himself with a semi-auto rifle, travel to another state where he doesn't live, and try and scare protestors.

I am law abiding and so are my family.. Breaking curfew is serious IMO.

 

[Flash]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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Still butt hurt over the verdict, eh Moon Bat?

 

[2aguy]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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And the fact that his attacker was a violent rapist of young boys, and the other 3 attackers were all also felons of one degree or another was also not allowed into court, you dumb ****............

He shot 3 white guys, race had nothing to do with this trial...you idiot.

Do you understand, you ******* nitwit, the Proud Boys are not a racist group......one of their former leaders was a black cuban guy....you dumb ass...

 

[Flash]

That stupid senseless opinion piece was written by — Wim Laven, Ph.D., syndicated by PeaceVoice, teaches courses in political science and conflict resolution. A ******* moron. One of these bat shit crazy Marxist college professors that have been brainwashing our children.

PeaceVoice is a far Left shit organization funded by Soros that is a voice for ANTFA and is not to be taken seriously on anything.

PeaceVoice is a program of the Oregon Peace Institute. We are devoted to changing U.S. national conversation about the possibilities of peace and justice and the inadvisability of war and injustice. We believe that nonviolent conflict transformation from destructive to constructive —peace and justice by peaceable means—can help shape public discourse and thus, ultimately, public policy.

 

[2aguy]

Article conclusion:

After I plead guilty I had punishment. I had to pay fines and restitution, I was placed on probation, had my drivers license suspended and I had to complete community service in lieu of incarceration. I’m not dismissing the presence of positive value in these features of punitive justice, but to acknowledge that it is incomplete. Rittenhouse will not experience any of those benefits, we can only hope that something else can stimulate healing and accountability.

If the US took restorative justice more seriously there would be considerable benefit to the communities and individuals impacted in these tragedies. These processes can create spaces for real dialog between victims and offenders, which is proven to increase accountability among offenders and empower victims. Making amends can help heal and even grow.

If you do not believe growth is needed, consider the cultural questions being raised in the trial. Prosecuting attorney Binger observed, “I think we can all agree we shouldn’t have 17-year-olds running around the street with AR-15s because this is what happens,” but clearly the alt-right and militia groups did not see it this way.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate and extremism, has sounded alarms for increases in hate crimes and violence in recent years and observes the lionization of Rittenhouse through “not factually based” propaganda.

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start. I have personally observed no shortage of people who believe that the shootings were heroic acts of patriotism and whom claim they would like to have the chance to do the same thing.

This reflects great ideological divides — not a melting pot — where difference is a justification for harm and not a source of strength. Each verdict — guilty or not — only makes the need of reconciliation greater.

— Wim Laven, Ph.D.

The Southern Poverty law centers is a racist, left wing, anti-american hate group that is used to justify destroying innocent people.......

The problem wasn't Kyle with his AR-15....the problem was a justice system that allowed 4 violent felons to run around free in Kenosha, burning and looting black and minority owned businesses and the democrat party mayor ordering the police and national guard to do nothing..........

When a violent child rapist attacks an innocent young man, that idiot in your post sides with the violent, child rapist, and the other 3 felons who were engaged in burning and looting black and minority owned businesses...

That is what is wrong...not kyle...

 

[bendog]

I am law abiding and so are my family.. Breaking curfew is serious IMO.

Well I think there were "punks" on both sides. But I am thankful that we live in a country were we have a right to protect ourselves. It's not perfect as "Kyle" shows. I'm also thankful there are not "More Kyles" in places like Portland

 

[Flash]

The Southern Poverty law centers is a racist, left wing, anti-american hate group that is used to justify destroying innocent people.......

The problem wasn't Kyle with his AR-15....the problem was a justice system that allowed 4 violent felons to run around free in Kenosha, burning and looting black and minority owned businesses and the democrat party mayor ordering the police and national guard to do nothing..........

When a violent child rapist attacks an innocent young man, that idiot in your post sides with the violent, child rapist, and the other 3 felons who were engaged in burning and looting black and minority owned businesses...

That is what is wrong...not kyle...

The real injustice was that Kyle was indicted in the firest place for an obvious self defense situation. By a Democrat DA looking to kiss the ass of BLM.

 

[Flash]

Well I think there were "punks" on both sides. But I am thankful that we live in a country were we have a right to protect ourselves. It's not perfect as "Kyle" shows. I'm also thankful there are not "More Kyles" in places like Portland

Why not? There would a lot less of those BLM/ANTIFA shitheads running around destroying things.

 

[hadit]

Self-defense and vigilantism are NOTHING alike.

Right. The people chasing Rittenhouse were acting like vigilantes. He was acting in self-defense.

 

[bripat9643]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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That's not the truth, so what is it that you believe Rittenhouse is supposed to do?

 

[surada]

Right. The people chasing Rittenhouse were acting like vigilantes. He was acting in self-defense.

Rittenhouse was also an armed vigilantes breaking curfew. Breaking the law is NOT acceptable for either side.. You don't understand that and that's why you and TRump are unAmerican.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Rittenhouse did not get the benefit of restorative justice. Some things to consider.

My Take: Uninformed juries produce incorrect outcomes

Restorative processes could significantly help disrupt these cycles. Interrupting dishonest narratives would be a good start.

news.yahoo.com

Excerpt:

I was a troubled teen. I remember the day I was called to my high school’s administrative office to receive a call. He gave me advice I have never forgotten. He told me that he had been notified that the police were going to arrest me and that I needed to tell the truth even if it was going to get me in trouble.

I was in my early 30s when I reflected upon this wisdom when performing part of his eulogy. It was horrible legal advice, but I know it saved my soul.

The mistakes I made as a teenager have informed my whole life’s purpose. My doctoral dissertation, on forgiveness, would not have been written if I had not accounted for my own moral failings.

Kyle Rittenhouse represents a character in the larger story of the divided American society. I follow these events and the attitudes and opinions surrounding them as an expert researcher focused on healing divided societies. There are many bifurcations, and the casualties that are not being discussed are healing and truth. His acquittal is a springboard, and the public is now at increased threat.

No criminal trial is motivated by healing or truth. Trials are about fact finding and fact exclusion. The truth, for example, that after pleading not guilty earlier this year Kyle posed with Proud Boys while flashing a white power hand sign and T-shirt that said “Free as F---,” was not allowed in trial. Rittenhouse remains “Free as F---,” unpermitted facts notwithstanding.

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Our system doesn't punish people unless they've been convicted of commiting a crime.