My take on Sanders voters.

[forkup]

I don't pay half my paycheck for insurance. I pay half my paycheck to get all the things I mentioned in my previous post and more. As to your personal situation I assure you you paid more than I would have in the same situation. Quite a lot more. A statistical fact.Current health expenditure (% of GDP) | Data Almost double as a percentage of GDP.

What do you get that I can't get?

A prescription filled immediately for one, not after some pharmacy tech called my insurance company to see if it's covered. The ability to send my kid to any school I want regardless of the address for another. Paid unlimited sick leave although with gradual decline of pay. 3 Months of parental leave to be taken within twelve years of birth. Roads that are maintained. The ability to leave high school as a trained electrician, accountant, mason, etc.. And many other things.

And as I said as to health insurance mine is cheaper covers more and gives equal or even superior care.

I get my prescriptions filled immediately. When I worked my company insurance paid for every prescription anyone in my family needed. Try again.

Well, my wife is American and I know for a fact that for her the procedure was drop of the script and come back an hour later. That's not the case for you great, it was for her. And I gave many other things.

I get my prescriptions immediately, always have.

As I said good for you. Not everybody in the US can say the same. Everybody here can.
And as I said we can say a lot of other things you can't. Like for instance, nobody here goes in debt to attend college.

That is the point I'm making. Yes, we pay a lot of taxes compared to you. On the other hand, those taxes give us a lot too. In the end, since we don't have a lot of costs a typical American does have we end up with comparable incomes. Plus the added benefit that vital services are guaranteed. I'm not claiming that we don't have problems. I'm also not claiming that it's even possible to duplicate our results wholesale. ( If you want tomorrow I'll illustrate a few problems with doing so.) What I am saying that yelling Bernie is a Socialist and therefor is a Communist is unfair. If you want an honest comparison I'm game. I'm not talking about what you hear in the media but a comparison by someone who has knowledge of both systems. But it has to be a conversation that starts with an open mind. Goodnight.

 

[BS Filter]

What do you get that I can't get?

A prescription filled immediately for one, not after some pharmacy tech called my insurance company to see if it's covered. The ability to send my kid to any school I want regardless of the address for another. Paid unlimited sick leave although with gradual decline of pay. 3 Months of parental leave to be taken within twelve years of birth. Roads that are maintained. The ability to leave high school as a trained electrician, accountant, mason, etc.. And many other things.

And as I said as to health insurance mine is cheaper covers more and gives equal or even superior care.

I get my prescriptions filled immediately. When I worked my company insurance paid for every prescription anyone in my family needed. Try again.

Well, my wife is American and I know for a fact that for her the procedure was drop of the script and come back an hour later. That's not the case for you great, it was for her. And I gave many other things.

I get my prescriptions immediately, always have.

As I said good for you. Not everybody in the US can say the same. Everybody here can.
And as I said we can say a lot of other things you can't. Like for instance, nobody here goes in debt to attend college.

That is the point I'm making. Yes, we pay a lot of taxes compared to you. On the other hand, those taxes give us a lot too. In the end, since we don't have a lot of costs a typical American does have we end up with comparable incomes. Plus the added benefit that vital services are guaranteed. I'm not claiming that we don't have problems. I'm also not claiming that it's even possible to duplicate our results wholesale. ( If you want tomorrow I'll illustrate a few problems with doing so.) What I am saying that yelling Bernie is a Socialist and therefor is a Communist is unfair. If you want an honest comparison I'm game. I'm not talking about what you hear in the media but a comparison by someone who has knowledge of both systems. But it has to be a conversation that starts with an open mind.

Yes, everyone there is the same. The government is your boss and that's who you work for. No thanks. I never went to college and I did well. I have plenty of opportunities in the USA.

 

[westwall]

We all will be if he some how wins.

The markets will crash within days if he beats Trump and there isn't a Republican congress to block him.

So you are okay with the 1% holding the rest of us hostage? "Don't you dare demand better, or we will crash the market rather than pay a little more in taxes we can easily afford!"

Yeah, because at least they don't want to murder you, like the 1 percenters in a socialist hellhole do.

 

[Zorro!]

To me, it seems more a question that you guys have trouble understanding what you are opposing. Comparing Sanders to Mussolini for instance.

Mussolini was a socialist and so is Sanders.

Mussolini was a fascist. He was also male does that also mean that all males are like Mussolini? Since we are trying to compare?

Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist. I would suggest that's a natural progression.

I would suggest if that's what you think you don't know what you are talking about. As I said I live in a country that is like Bernie suggest he wants America to be. We've been that way for over 70 years. Yet Fascist we are not.

Check it out. Mussolini was a Socialist before he became a fascist.

Yes. Mussolini was a Marxist and he described Marx as "the greatest of all theorists of socialism."

 

[Zorro!]

They have little understanding of what they are supporting.

MUSSOLINI MADE THE TRAINS RUNS ON TIME, BERNIE SANDERS EDITION: It’s not surprising that Bernie still sympathizes with Communist Cuba, but it is remarkable that he doesn’t seem to either recognize or care that this sort of thing is politically deadly, especially in Florida.

They have little understanding of what they are supporting.

To me, it seems more a question that you guys have trouble understanding what you are opposing. Comparing Sanders to Mussolini for instance.

Mussolini was a socialist and so is Sanders.

Mussolini was a fascist. He was also male does that also mean that all males are like Mussolini? Since we are trying to compare?

Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist. I would suggest that's a natural progression.

I would suggest if that's what you think you don't know what you are talking about. As I said I live in a country that is like Bernie suggest he wants America to be. We've been that way for over 70 years. Yet Fascist we are not.

What country is that?

 

[Zorro!]

I don't know too many Americans who want to give the Federal government half of their paycheck. You probably use public transportation. I hear gasoline is pretty expensive. So how long do you have to wait for an operation if you need one?

I notice you do everything but answering my question. You want to have a conversation I'm in but if you don't feel under any obligation to answer me and at the same time just keep on piling in other questions it is not a conversation but an interrogation and that's boring so again.

To use an example I've heard Bernie use. If you have to spend your money on deductibles, co-pays, and insurance premiums and I cover my health expenses out of the taxes I pay. Isn't the rational way to look at it just comparing which is cheaper and covers the most?

Can you please stop dodging? It's not a hard question.

I'm not dodging. I have healthcare because I paid for it. I expect every adult to pay for their own insurance. Tell me why I should give the government half my paycheck.

By the way, I paid for my own insurance. I paid taxes. This is where you guys seem to disconnect. It seems that you guys are unable to recognize that taxes are not punishment but a payment for services provided. And like with any payment I simply want the best deal.

I paid for my insurance or had insurance as an employee benefit. It was a much better deal than Medicare is.

They have little understanding of what they are supporting.

MUSSOLINI MADE THE TRAINS RUNS ON TIME, BERNIE SANDERS EDITION: It’s not surprising that Bernie still sympathizes with Communist Cuba, but it is remarkable that he doesn’t seem to either recognize or care that this sort of thing is politically deadly, especially in Florida.

They have little understanding of what they are supporting.

To me, it seems more a question that you guys have trouble understanding what you are opposing. Comparing Sanders to Mussolini for instance.

Bernie still sympathizes with Communist Cuba.

Cuban law limits freedom of expression, association, assembly, movement, and the press. The government maintains tight control on religious institutions, affiliated groups, and individual believers.

Censorship in Cuba continues. According to the report of Human Rights Watch from 2017 the government continues to rely on arbitrary detention to harass and intimidate critics, independent activists, political opponents, and others. The Cuban Commission for Human Rights and National Reconciliation received more than 7,900 reports of arbitrary detentions from January through August 2016. This represents the highest monthly average of detentions in the past six years.

This is what Bernie wants for America. No Thanks!

Have you read the tweet you posted? First sentence. " We're very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba."
Yet you continue to post that Cuba is authoritarian. That to me suggests you are simply unwilling to consider the tweet in its context. Do you have a problem with literacy programs?

It's the typical strawman argument wich you guys employ against Bernie. Rather than discussing what he actually proposes you point to Cuba and China and yell "that's what Bernie wants."

You missed this part:

Bernie Sanders praises the Castro regime in new ’60 Minutes’ interview.

Do you think "60 minutes Interview" is a synonym for "Tweet"?

Watch:


60 Minutes

✔@60Minutes

Bernie Sanders defends his 1980s comments about Fidel Castro in an interview on 60 Minutes. https://cbsn.ws/2Pis7uC



4:09 PM - Feb 23, 2020

It didn’t take long for Mayor Sanders to start pushing policy in unorthodox directions, most notably declaring in 1987 that the Medical Center Hospital of Vermont, now known as the University of Vermont Medical Center, was no longer tax-exempt; he sent the hospital a tax bill for $2.9 million. Sanders declared, “There are a heck of a lot of people up there making a heck of a lot of money.” This led to a court fight; a superior court judge ruled against the city on all counts, declaring that “statutes should not be construed in such a way that will lead to irrational or absurd consequences.” Twelve years later, after Sanders had departed the mayor’s office to become Vermont’s lone representative in the U.S. House, the hospital and Burlington reached an agreement on payments in return for municipal services and higher levels of charitable care.

Bernie Sanders: Twenty Things You Didn’t Know About Him | National Review

If the tweet uses direct quotes and that direct quote disavows the totalitarian nature of Cuba I don't need to see the entire interview. If the most damaging thing you can say about Bernie is that he didn't say everything in Cuba is rotten. That he likes literacy programs I think you don't know anything really of what he proposes. On top of not realizing that your own post undermines the premise of your post. Which isn't smart IMO.

Bernie likes the Commie Dictators, and not just Castro, are there any he disapproved of?

In 1985, Sanders was invited by the Nicaraguan government to Managua to visit for the celebration of the sixth anniversary of the rebel Sandinista takeover. According to Newsweek’s Kurt Eichenwald, “Republicans also had video of Sanders at a 1985 rally thrown by the leftist Sandinista government in Nicaragua where half a million people chanted, ‘Here, there, everywhere, the Yankee will die,’ while President Daniel Ortega condemned ‘state terrorism’ by America.” A UPI wire service report described the chant; Sanders has many times discussed attending the rally, calling it “a profoundly emotional experience,” but he has never mentioned the chant.

 

[toobfreak]

Lazy:
Want something for nothing or very little effort.
Freeloaders:
Want others to pay for their things.
Uneducated:
Don't understand the ramifications of giving the government the kind of power he proposes.
Economically illiterate:
Don't truly understand the value of a dollar or the gratification that comes from earning it and working your way up the ladder.
Lack life skills and ambition:
Need the government to manage their daily lives.
I know this likely comes off as an insult but that's how I see it. No point in trying to polish a turd least it rub off on me.

I think this can be shortened to simply saying typical brain-dead liberal kids just out of High school with heads full of progressive oatmeal gullible enough to believe anything!

 

[Zorro!]

In 1989, Sanders taught at the Institute of Policy Studies at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government and came away somewhat disappointed. “I know that conservatives worry a great deal about Harvard,” Sanders wrote in Outsider in the House. “They see it as a bastion of progressive thought, the brain trust for revolution. Trust me. They can stop worrying. Harvard has many wonderful attributes, but the revolution will not start at Harvard University.”

 

[Gracie]

My take: Millennials.

 

[JoeB131]

I make a VERY good living selling my skills. The skills I acquired without all of Bernies free shit. As an exconvict I am certainly not one of the 1% and if I can achieve this level of success you got no one to blame but yourself for your failures.

The 1% are not the boogeymen, the far left is.

Funny thing, guy. While you were off in prison for whatever you got convicted of... I was out serving this country in the Army. I've been working for the last 30 years since my discharge. And in that time, I've run into some shitty one percenters who fuck with people (not just me) for no other reason than they can.

And I consider myself lucky, as a white, straight male with a Veteran's preference and a College education, I know I am getting an advantage. yet the Recessions of 92, 01 and 08 were all pretty miserable experiences.

Funny thing, these kids watch old fucks like us running ourselves ragged in the rat race, and then they say, "No thanks!"

Can't really blame them.

 

[JoeB131]

So move.
In our society you have to give to get.
Sounds like you just wanna get with little or no giving.
That's why you have little, being an irresponsible blamer.
So move.

I probably have more than you do, but the sad thing is all you Trumpers live in your trailer parks on your Obamaphones and whine about the "gummit".

 

[Mac1958]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream and they're gonna back him no matter what.

Just like Trump voters did in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.

Or Sanders just stands for something.

What I'm noticing, Stormy Mac, is that you aren't really out there supporting any of the "moderate" alternatives.

I do think that both Trump and Sanders voters look at a country where the American Dream is fading in the distance, but it's mostly because of people like you on Wall Street.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

Lol

Typical

Unable to focus on the topic without invoking Trump first.

The schtick is getting old

 

[Mac1958]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

Lol

Typical

Unable to focus on the topic without invoking Trump first.

The schtick is getting old

Are you saying that you really don't see the similarities?
.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

Lol

Typical

Unable to focus on the topic without invoking Trump first.

The schtick is getting old

Are you saying that you really don't see the similarities?
.

Sure I do. But it has NOTHING to do with the basis for this thread.

 

[imawhosure]

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

Lol

Typical

Unable to focus on the topic without invoking Trump first.

The schtick is getting old

Are you saying that you really don't see the similarities?
.

Sanders voters are angry, they're frustrated, and they're pissed off at the way the system works. They're willing to toss a crazed bull into the china shop to wreck it all and start over. They have found a guy who can animate their primal scream, a human hand grenade. And they're gonna back him no matter what, much to the consternation of their party.

Just like Trump voters in 2016.

It's right in front of you, gang. It just ain't that difficult to see.
.

Lol

Typical

Unable to focus on the topic without invoking Trump first.

The schtick is getting old

Are you saying that you really don't see the similarities?
.

Sure I do. But it has NOTHING to do with the basis for this thread.

The leaders of the BERNARD movement, are the most radical people in the country; think AOC, Tahlib, and their ilk.

And I suggest from a mathematical premise this------------> what is MORE, or LESS?

A. Bernie loses or gets screwed out of the nomination, and 20 to 25% of his base stays home in disgust, or rather,

B. Bernie wins the nomination, and 20 to 25% of Democrat moderates stay home in disgust!

C. If any Republicans DO cross over, will they cross over for Bernie, or cross for a supposedly more moderate Democrat besides of course, in the Democratic primary-)

Logic and reasonable mathematics tell us the answer to all of those questions. The answers aren't even close!

 

[Flash]

So move.
In our society you have to give to get.
Sounds like you just wanna get with little or no giving.
That's why you have little, being an irresponsible blamer.
So move.

I probably have more than you do, but the sad thing is all you Trumpers live in your trailer parks on your Obamaphones and whine about the "gummit".

You are confused once again Moon Bat.

The core Democrat voting block in general and Bernie voters specially are uneducated inner city Black or Brown scum that are illiterate. They vote for the Democrat filth because the Democrats promise to steal money from other people to give to them.

Democrats are are a coalition of all the shitheads in this country.

Negros that vote racism and their welfare check, Environmental Wackos, Anti Gun Nuts, Feminazis, Queers, Welfare Queens, Illegals, Greedy Union Assholes, Moon Bats and confused naive college kids and their bat shit crazy Marxist professors.

 

[pyetro]

Lazy:
Want something for nothing or very little effort.

Freeloaders:
Want others to pay for their things.

Uneducated:
Don't understand the ramifications of giving the government the kind of power he proposes.

Economically illiterate:
Don't truly understand the value of a dollar or the gratification that comes from earning it and working your way up the ladder.

Lack life skills and ambition:
Need the government to manage their daily lives.




I know this likely comes off as an insult but that's how I see it. No point in trying to polish a turd least it rub off on me.

You forgot winners. And that has that Magas crapping yourselves in fear.

 

[initforme]

It's going to be a most entertaining campaign and election. I hope for a razor close election. It's a good sign for the nation.