My brother is sitting in an emergency room in Edmonton with a twelve hour wait they just gave him after being rushed to the hospital by ambulance ...

[TimFitz]

You keep glossing over how your dear leaders are in the pockets of Big Med. Doesn’t that bother you or do you just have a case of selective outrage?

Why do you keep making this idiotic claim, when the GOP has relentlessly sided with the medical industrial complex for the last 40 years?

No Republican has offered a comprehensive health care reform since 1992, when the Heritage Foundation promoted one.

That proposal became the basis for the affordable Care Act. And Republicans have been trying to kill it or make it ineffective ever since.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Why do you keep making this idiotic claim, when the GOP has relentlessly sided with the medical industrial complex for the last 40 years?

No Republican has offered a comprehensive health care reform since 1992, when the Heritage Foundation promoted one.

That proposal became the basis for the affordable Care Act. And Republicans have been trying to kill it or make it ineffective ever since.

Relentlessly sided? It’s about even.

Pharmaceuticals / Health Products Recipients

See aggregated party breakdowns and incumbency status of recipients of contributions from Pharmaceuticals / Health Products industries/interest groups for every election cycle from 1998 to 2024.

www.opensecrets.org

 

[TimFitz]

Relentlessly sided? It’s about even.

Pharmaceuticals / Health Products Recipients

See aggregated party breakdowns and incumbency status of recipients of contributions from Pharmaceuticals / Health Products industries/interest groups for every election cycle from 1998 to 2024.

www.opensecrets.org

The point isn’t who got the money.

The point is who delivered for the medical industrial complex.

Trump’s BBB was a gift to that industry.

And your own link confirms that the majority of the money went to the GOP.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The point isn’t who got the money.

The point is who delivered for the medical industrial complex.

Trump’s BBB was a gift to that industry.

And your own link confirms that the majority of the money went to the GOP.

A sizeable portion went to Democrats and they took the money. You’d be more intellectually honest if you acknowledged that it was all Congress instead of trying to put this solely on the the GOP. The marginal difference was not that significant.

 

[struth]

The point isn’t who got the money.

The point is who delivered for the medical industrial complex.

Trump’s BBB was a gift to that industry.

And your own link confirms that the majority of the money went to the GOP.

Obamacare did, and now the Dems shut the govt down to make sure the medical industrial complex stays bailed out

 

[TimFitz]

A sizeable portion went to Democrats and they took the money. You’d be more intellectually honest if you acknowledged that it was all Congress instead of trying to put this solely on the the GOP. The marginal difference was not that significant.

The legislative history of the last 40 years says you’re the one being intellectually dishonest.

But here’s the test.

Name one health insurance reform measure proposed by Republicans during that time period.

 

[TimFitz]

Obamacare did, and now the Dems shut the govt down to make sure the medical industrial complex stays bailed out

I’m not sure how raising age caps, doing away with payout caps, and vastly growing the number of people who could afford real health insurance was a bailout for the medical industrial complex.

 

[LeftofLeft]

The legislative history of the last 40 years says you’re the one being intellectually dishonest.

But here’s the test.

Name one health insurance reform measure proposed by Republicans during that time period.

You are doing everything you can to avoid admitting that Democrats have not had a hand in being whores of the healthcare industry complex. You refuse to admit they take money. Democrats propose healthcare reform and insurance, pharm, and service providers have a heavy hand in it.

 

[TimFitz]

You are doing everything you can to avoid admitting that Democrats have not had a hand in being whores of the healthcare industry complex. You refuse to admit they take money. Democrats propose healthcare reform and insurance, pharm, and service providers have a heavy hand in it.

I’m not going far at all.

I asked you an obvious question that you;re trying to run away from.

 

[struth]

I’m not sure how raising age caps, doing away with payout caps, and vastly growing the number of people who could afford real health insurance was a bailout for the medical industrial complex.

Because you didn’t make healthcare more affordable. You gave the medical industrial complex tax payer bailouts, to cover the cost and growing cost.

You literally closed the govt down because the gop extend the covid era ones

 

[struth]

The legislative history of the last 40 years says you’re the one being intellectually dishonest.

But here’s the test.

Name one health insurance reform measure proposed by Republicans during that time period.

Geez man get out of your demafascit bubble there have been numerous proposals

https://simpson.house.gov/uploadedfiles/summary.pdfi

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1628

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/1275/text

Geez and I didn’t even have to go back a decade to come up with three

 

[LeftofLeft]

I’m not going far at all.

I asked you an obvious question that you;re trying to run away from.

Your question is flawed because Democrats took the money and got in bed with Big Healthcare to architect their reform bills.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

All these people who want universal healthcare simply do not understand what that means and what will happen when they need emergency care. They will wait 6 months for an appendectomy and be dead by then. Look, these liberal Democrats are the same people who were pushing population controls back in the 1960's. They couldn't get what they wanted like kill off 90% of the world. So, they have tried many things like global warming, planned parenthood and fewer children, climate change and now, Covid19, universal healthcare. Universal healthcare will kill off hundreds of millions of people. Maybe billions.

Appendectomies are emergency surgery because it's fatal. Do you have a link to show who was pushing population controls back in the sixties.

You proved you don't know what you're talking about when you said a 6 moth wait for a condition that is fatal.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

B-B-But I thought Canadian Health Care was FREE???? That has to better right???

It is better because unlike the States a person doesn't go bankrupt when they get really sick.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

What would freak out Americans even more is how these Risky Socialized medicine schemes push off less urgent medical needs, and how quickly they deny coverage.

I heard people complain about the price of Ozempic in America and how much cheaper it is abroad.

But they don't give it to their patients. America used 2/3 of the world's supply of Ozempic.

Those I know who use it in Canada have had wicked side effects. One guy I work with had to go on medical leave because his feet and hands got really swollen

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Okay, let's dial it back a bit here on medical treatment.
1. When you go into an actual emergency room (not a doc-in-the-box clinic), you are faced with a triage situation. You are "triaged" based upon both what you tell them and your appearance. The more serious patients, even those that came in after you arrived, go first. For instance, based upon the described symptoms, a likely heart attack (forget Hollywood's depiction of someone having a heart attack) will be taken back as quickly as possible and you, if you have say, a few broken bones will go after him/her. A large laceration that required a tourniquet will go ahead of your flu or broken arm or ankle or leg. If you came in with a bad cold or flu, guess what, you will be waiting a long time.
I went into an emergency room with abdominal pain; after waiting around for an hour, a nurse interviewed me and had a tech come down and draw my blood. After another hour, they came out and rushed me to surgery for a ruptured appendix. The problem with emergency rooms and even the "doc-in-a-box" places, is that too many people go in with colds, mild cases of the flu, headaches, twisted ankles and bruises. Add to that there's a percentage of "drug seekers" looking to get a fix and an assortment of the mentally ill individuals having psychotic episodes.
All this these take hours to wade through.
I have heard that France has an extremely pro-active socialized medicine system that their people were very satisfied with. However, since the influx of millions of migrants it has ruined that system.
Socialized medicine systems are designed with the established population base in mind and grow proportionally with the "slow gradual" growth of the population and aren't meant to handle huge influxes of individuals seeking treatment.

I went through triage. I was next to be seen when some people who had been in a car accident were brought in. They were treated first which was fine with me.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

It's a tossup between which lie killed more people: Obama's lie about health care costs, or Biden's lie about the covid "vaccine" making people immune from covid.

Both killed millions of us.

Why don't you show everyone the statistics?

 

[Sunsettommy]

In America, when one goes to the ER, they get triaged. Then, they sit in a waiting room until they are called. In the meantime, if there are multiple ambulances coming in, they usually get handled first and waits can be quite long but, on average you'll be there a few hours depending on the patient load.

Not anymore in my area as they diversified care by creating Emergency care centers that handles the need much faster than the old way which was to go to the hospitals emergency room which was always crowded.

There is also Urgent care centers for those who can't make an appoinment for a doctor and wait a few days to a couple weeks to attend as they have a need to be examined fast which then be treated then or be referred to a hospital or even to the emergency room depending on the seriousness level of the affliction.

 

[Leo123]

Not anymore in my area as they diversified care by creating Emergency care centers that handles the need much faster than the old way which was to go to the hospitals emergency room which was always crowded.

There is also Urgent care centers for those who can't make an appoinment for a doctor and wait a few days to a couple weeks to attend as they have a need to be examined fast which then be treated then or be referred to a hospital or even to the emergency room depending on the seriousness level of the affliction.

In my area, the hospitals have ER and Urgent Care. You get triaged on a walk in to either depending upon severity. Ambulance intakes always get priority.

 

[Hafar1014]

Appendectomies are emergency surgery because it's fatal. Do you have a link to show who was pushing population controls back in the sixties.

You proved you don't know what you're talking about when you said a 6 moth wait for a condition that is fatal.

That sounds like the NHS which will treat an emergency right away but wait times are in months and even years. They are broke covid wiped out their funds