Zone1 "My Baby Needs Formula"....Cold Calling Churches

[SweetSue92]

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As well as the hard work we do, which I described in post #9, I keep a $10 bill in the console of my car, along with a Miraculous Medal that's been blessed by my priest, and once in a while, I hear a strong voice that overcomes the fear that, if I give this person money, they'll just use it for substances. I'm learning to pay attention to that voice.

There are signs from the city on lots of strategic intersections that advise citizens to donate to the causes that will help those begging with real, practical help, rather than just giving them money. And once in a while, I need to listen to a different voice.

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That's such an amazing idea I'm going to steal it.

 

[buckeye]

Also I'd like to point out that if organized religion in general is so great why do churches need "good security"?

You never know when a crazed, anti-religion leftist coached in violence, comes calling with a knife, a bomb or a gun.

 

[Maxdeath]

I grew up poor. If we had not hunted and canned food we would not have eaten. I remember very well both times my family eat out at a fast food place. Hamburgers and fries were all we were allowed but it was very special.
My father was asked once put the preacher why he did not get help from the church or other organizations. His reply still sits in my mind today, “ I expect to care for my family, I do not expect someone else to do so at their expense”.

 

[SweetSue92]

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I remember the same process when my husband's dementia got worse. It was a learning process for sure.

Thanks for caring.

I'm so sorry your husband had dementia. It's heartbreaking.

I gave my mom the tip to write things down and read it back to herself. later, after she passed, my dad found notes she had written all over the house. Notably a note of what Psalms to read if you are worried, sad, etc.

It will be in my own Bible until it disintegrates. I miss her.

 

[buckeye]

Waiting until you are out of formula until you start looking for it is not a very responsible approach.

Feeding your baby formula instead of the perfect food is not very responsible.

 

[SweetSue92]

I grew up poor. If we had not hunted and canned food we would not have eaten. I remember very well both times my family eat out at a fast food place. Hamburgers and fries were all we were allowed but it was very special.
My father was asked once put the preacher why he did not get help from the church or other organizations. His reply still sits in my mind today, “ I expect to care for my family, I do not expect someone else to do so at their expense”.

That's so rough--I'm really sorry.

On the flip side: the school district where I taught is one of the most socio-economically diverse in the state: we have millionaires and very low income. I have taught both. Kids who have EVERYTHING tend to take EVERYTHING for granted and nothing excites or impresses them. I'm not saying your poor childhood was worth it--but you have happy memories of good times. Some kids shrug at twice-yearly, all-inclusive trips to DisneyWorld.

 

[SweetSue92]

Feeding your baby formula instead of the perfect food is not very responsible.

There is no baby. She's just "testing" churches.

 

[Maxdeath]

That's so rough--I'm really sorry.

On the flip side: the school district where I taught is one of the most socio-economically diverse in the state: we have millionaires and very low income. I have taught both. Kids who have EVERYTHING tend to take EVERYTHING for granted and nothing excites or impresses them. I'm not saying your poor childhood was worth it--but you have happy memories of good times. Some kids shrug at twice-yearly, all-inclusive trips to DisneyWorld.

Would not trade what I learned growing up for anything.
I have never been envious of those that had more money. Never cared about having more than I needed.

 

[SweetSue92]

Would not trade what I learned growing up for anything.
I have never been envious of those that had more money. Never cared about having more than I needed.

Honestly yes. Going through life contented is a super power I think...

 

[Meathead]

Nobody should have to grovel in front of a church to get fed.

that's my thought.

Long before food stamps that's exactly what people would do. Even in Greece today people are given foodstuffs, things like flour, rice, noodles and other staples) from the church as the government has no programs like those you sponge from.

Guess what, no one has starved.

 

[braalian]

Even WE have many calls of people asking assistance, and, even worse, we have people coming to the doors Sunday morning for same (yes, we have strong security)

“even worse”?

It must have been very traumatic for you when the scary poor people showed up at church asking for food

Good thing you had strong security

 

[braalian]

Feeding your baby formula instead of the perfect food is not very responsible.

Not all women can breastfeed

 

[HikerGuy83]

I grew up poor. If we had not hunted and canned food we would not have eaten. I remember very well both times my family eat out at a fast food place. Hamburgers and fries were all we were allowed but it was very special.
My father was asked once put the preacher why he did not get help from the church or other organizations. His reply still sits in my mind today, “ I expect to care for my family, I do not expect someone else to do so at their expense”.

Love the story, dude.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I'm so sorry your husband had dementia. It's heartbreaking.

I gave my mom the tip to write things down and read it back to herself. later, after she passed, my dad found notes she had written all over the house. Notably a note of what Psalms to read if you are worried, sad, etc.

It will be in my own Bible until it disintegrates. I miss her.

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What a gift, to find your mother's notes! A blessing from God!

I will always have the tiny handmade card hubby made me for Mothers Day, from our "babies" -- a pair of cockatiels. Precious!

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It was all a con. I don't even think she's in need--she just wanted to play "gotcha" with the churches.

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Pretty sad.

There are so many scammers in today's world.

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[Meriweather]

It was all a con. I don't even think she's in need--she just wanted to play "gotcha" with the churches.

Yes, I got that part. I was noting what I would have been thinking had I taken that call....

 

[DennisPTate]

A woman is going viral on social media for calling churches, synagogues and mosques and asking for formula for her baby. She doesn't have a baby, she just plays crying in the background. She is recording which churches offer assistance and which do not.

Unbelievers are mostly thrilled to learn that most churches do not offer immediate help. And at first blush, this does seem cruel.

I'm a member of a mid-sized church in the country. Even WE have many calls of people asking assistance, and, even worse, we have people coming to the doors Sunday morning for same (yes, we have strong security). We have no way, in the moment, to vet whether the request is legitimate or whether, say, the money or goods will be sold to buy drugs.

That's why many churches referred the caller to their own food pantries, which operate at specific hours, or nearby assistance the church affiliates with. The caller on social media marked this down as a "would not help".

One more consideration: churches are almost entirely member-funded. I want to help the needy with our donations, but I would certainly like my money to go to real needs, and not who-knows-what.

Thoughts?

This is interesting....
I am of the belief that all churches, all synagogues and all mosques should learn from the 1932 Worgl Austria Local Money Experiment. Churches can turn their members into reality film actors playing the role of themselves and an alternative currency note can theoretically be used as a prop to partly finance those proposed films?

[The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley] :

"City in Austria Printed Local Currency
Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.
Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.

Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks.

Time Dollars in Whatcom County"

[ The Truth About Money: The Money SystemIsnt There a Better Way?
by Francis and Lia Ayley}

Story of Wörgl and others – Sustainable Communities Foundation

 

[SweetSue92]

“even worse”?

It must have been very traumatic for you when the scary poor people showed up at church asking for food

Good thing you had strong security

No, it's only "worse" because we often don't know their intention and we have had church shootings in our area.

 

[Concerned American]

A woman is going viral on social media for calling churches, synagogues and mosques and asking for formula for her baby. She doesn't have a baby, she just plays crying in the background. She is recording which churches offer assistance and which do not.

Unbelievers are mostly thrilled to learn that most churches do not offer immediate help. And at first blush, this does seem cruel.

I'm a member of a mid-sized church in the country. Even WE have many calls of people asking assistance, and, even worse, we have people coming to the doors Sunday morning for same (yes, we have strong security). We have no way, in the moment, to vet whether the request is legitimate or whether, say, the money or goods will be sold to buy drugs.

That's why many churches referred the caller to their own food pantries, which operate at specific hours, or nearby assistance the church affiliates with. The caller on social media marked this down as a "would not help".

One more consideration: churches are almost entirely member-funded. I want to help the needy with our donations, but I would certainly like my money to go to real needs, and not who-knows-what.

Thoughts?

Shriners provide many charitable services--however, not many would be dispensed from their temples. The idea that charity is dispensed at places of worship instead of facilities that, by necessity, are designed for that purpose is ludicrous.

 

[buckeye]

There is no baby. She's just "testing" churches.

I understand. Just giving my 2 cents.