Muslims in Georgia

[Brynmr]

In Islam there is no compulsion of religion.

Because the right religion is plain to see, stated Muhammad. So yes, there IS compulsion of religion - Islam. The punishment for apostasy is death. Compulsion.

 

[aris2chat]

GEORGIA: In a state that has banned the wearing of face-concealing hoods, Muslim student fights for the right to wear a face-concealing Islamic hood…and WINS!

Which means we lose another small slice of our country. There must be a lot of Liberals moving to Georgia. Assimilation isn't something Islam wants. What they want is to conquer our country and transform it into an Islamic state. And with apologists like we find coming out of universities (and in this forum), they're achieving some success.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2016/...wear-a-face-concealing-islamic-hood-and-wins/

Even ISIS has banned the covering of the face for security reason

Many countries have banned it now. At one time they could cover their face. Change is hard for some

 

[aris2chat]

the seven readings your are referring to are

Naafi’ al-Madani
Ibn Katheer al-Makki
‘Aasim al-Kufi
Hamzah al-Zayaat al-Kufi
Al-Kisaa’i al-Kufi
Abu ‘Amr ibn al-‘Ala’ al-Basri
‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Aamir al-Shaami

 

[aris2chat]

In Islam there is no compulsion of religion.

Because the right religion is plain to see, stated Muhammad. So yes, there IS compulsion of religion - Islam. The punishment for apostasy is death. Compulsion.

Catholics/christians were the same way

 

[Brynmr]

Qatar is not the US

And Islam is not Christianity or any of the other good religions. I reject your bull shit comment below designed to fool naive Americans into thinking there's a good Islam. There isn't.

Islam varies as much as Christianity but all people that are not familar with islam know is what they see and hear in the news, which is usually the bad or extreme radicals that abuse Islam.

Knowledge, openness, transparency is the only way for most americans to understand and eventually accept. They are afraid because they have been hurt by muslims and that is their only frame of reference. The language, secrecy and oddity of islam does not exactly make it easy to open themselves to scrutiny, conformity and possible reform in the west or the ability to assimilate without feeling they are denying their faith.

Clash of civilizations. People on both sides need to be willing to listen and work together.

 

[Brynmr]

Catholics/christians were the same way

That's a lie. Christians don't have a death penalty for apostasy.

 

[aris2chat]

Qatar is not the US

And Islam is not Christianity or any of the other good religions. I reject your bull shit comment below designed to fool naive Americans into thinking there's a good Islam. There isn't.

Islam varies as much as Christianity but all people that are not familar with islam know is what they see and hear in the news, which is usually the bad or extreme radicals that abuse Islam.

Knowledge, openness, transparency is the only way for most americans to understand and eventually accept. They are afraid because they have been hurt by muslims and that is their only frame of reference. The language, secrecy and oddity of islam does not exactly make it easy to open themselves to scrutiny, conformity and possible reform in the west or the ability to assimilate without feeling they are denying their faith.

Clash of civilizations. People on both sides need to be willing to listen and work together.

Who am I trying to fool?
Islam is one religion and not all muslims are the same. That is just fact.
The town folk of Georgia had a right to peacefully assemble ad hear the mosque petition. The fact they were armed was amusing but they were not violent in any way. It was their right to hear and vote in the town hall.

and yes, in the US there are laws about covering your face for any reason other than Halloween. Hoodies, scarves, etc. are not permitted unless it's freezing outside. In the south in the heat of summer, especially if someone asks for ID and to see it is "your" ID, people should comply. Surgical mask can be removed for a short time so ID can be verified. If the person is sick or contagious, you don't have to get up in their face to see who they are. Even someone on oxygen can remove their mask for a few seconds.

The veil is not a "requirement of Islam, it is custom. Not all muslims in the world cover their head or face, and modesty is subjective and varies from country to country.


If someone comes from a country were nudity is the norm, They still have to follow the laws when in other countries. Nudity is not a requirement of religion in public.

 

[aris2chat]

Catholics/christians were the same way

That's a lie. Christians don't have a death penalty for apostasy.

They used to.........inquisition, witch trials, millions were killed, Christians killing other christians for not being the right type of christian, killing of cathars and gnostics, orthodox vs roman catholics, cathoics vs lutheran/protestant, burning at the stakes.

Hence the word "were", at least till the 19th C.

 

[Political Junky]

Holy batshit crazy batman. Freedom of religeon is dead and stinking in Georgia. Yes boy blunder.

Never mind Georgia!

How about this? hmm????

for all the Islamic apologists????

Was that photo taken at a Klan Rally?

 

[Brynmr]

Qatar is not the US

And Islam is not Christianity or any of the other good religions. I reject your bull shit comment below designed to fool naive Americans into thinking there's a good Islam. There isn't.

Islam varies as much as Christianity but all people that are not familar with islam know is what they see and hear in the news, which is usually the bad or extreme radicals that abuse Islam.

Knowledge, openness, transparency is the only way for most americans to understand and eventually accept. They are afraid because they have been hurt by muslims and that is their only frame of reference. The language, secrecy and oddity of islam does not exactly make it easy to open themselves to scrutiny, conformity and possible reform in the west or the ability to assimilate without feeling they are denying their faith.

Clash of civilizations. People on both sides need to be willing to listen and work together.

Who am I trying to fool?
Islam is one religion and not all muslims are the same. That is just fact.
The town folk of Georgia had a right to peacefully assemble ad hear the mosque petition. The fact they were armed was amusing but they were not violent in any way. It was their right to hear and vote in the town hall.

and yes, in the US there are laws about covering your face for any reason other than Halloween. Hoodies, scarves, etc. are not permitted unless it's freezing outside. In the south in the heat of summer, especially if someone asks for ID and to see it is "your" ID, people should comply. Surgical mask can be removed for a short time so ID can be verified. If the person is sick or contagious, you don't have to get up in their face to see who they are. Even someone on oxygen can remove their mask for a few seconds.

The veil is not a "requirement of Islam, it is custom. Not all muslims in the world cover their head or face, and modesty is subjective and varies from country to country.


If someone comes from a country were nudity is the norm, They still have to follow the laws when in other countries. Nudity is not a requirement of religion in public.

I just told you who you're trying to fool and it's never been about Moslems. It's about the evil doctrine they follow.

 

[Brynmr]

Catholics/christians were the same way

That's a lie. Christians don't have a death penalty for apostasy.

They used to.........inquisition, witch trials, millions were killed, Christians killing other christians for not being the right type of christian, killing of cathars and gnostics, orthodox vs roman catholics, cathoics vs lutheran/protestant, burning at the stakes.

Hence the word "were", at least till the 19th C.

Show me in the new testement where it says to kill Christians who leave Christianity because i can show you where Islam says it. No one disputes Christians have done terrible things but we're taking doctrine here because doctrine is permanent and the driving force.

 

[Political Junky]

Catholics/christians were the same way

That's a lie. Christians don't have a death penalty for apostasy.

They used to.........inquisition, witch trials, millions were killed, Christians killing other christians for not being the right type of christian, killing of cathars and gnostics, orthodox vs roman catholics, cathoics vs lutheran/protestant, burning at the stakes.

Hence the word "were", at least till the 19th C.

Show me in the new testement where it says to kill Christians who leave Christianity because i can show you where Islam says it. No one disputes Christians have done terrible things but we're taking doctrine here because doctrine is permanent and the driving force.

See Post #148 above -

 

[Brynmr]

See Post #148 above -

See Post #151 above

 

[aris2chat]

Catholics/christians were the same way

That's a lie. Christians don't have a death penalty for apostasy.

They used to.........inquisition, witch trials, millions were killed, Christians killing other christians for not being the right type of christian, killing of cathars and gnostics, orthodox vs roman catholics, cathoics vs lutheran/protestant, burning at the stakes.

Hence the word "were", at least till the 19th C.

Show me in the new testement where it says to kill Christians who leave Christianity because i can show you where Islam says it. No one disputes Christians have done terrible things but we're taking doctrine here because doctrine is permanent and the driving force.

See Post #148 above -

church doctrine that Christians followed and hardly love of thy brother and neighbor

Even what was in the bible is now considered barbaric and wrong.

Quran was not written for those outside, it spoke in a language and phrasing of arabs at the time. Most is not speaking of the people acting on behalf of god but of what god will do in the right time. Sura, phrases take out of context.

We don't use language for what it means. Simple words like good and bad, hot and cold, are not used in the same way as their original dictionary meaning.

Outsiders try to read the quran but not to understand it. Reading the bible is like reading a horror story at time if you don't consider the times and audience.

Christianity has a long and blood history and is full of hate and condemnation. The distant world and isolation of Islam in some cases is taking a bid longer. Christians attacked them and kept them at a distant. Many muslims remember the crusades like we will remember 9/11 and terrorism and wars in "their" lands, and blame all the other people for the actions of a select few, or few thousand.

Knowledge and understanding, communication and cooperation, simple ideas that can make all the difference, both ways, instead the vicious cycle of distrust and hate and blame.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Marching, with firearms, protesting the building of a religious house of worship, or school, or cemetery is wrong in so many ways....legal, of course, as long as it's peaceful but I wonder how I, if I were an American citizen who is Muslim, would feel seeing that.

Angry. Not at them, but at the people committing atrocities in the name of my religion. These people are reacting naturally to what they see as a threat to their safety. My faith has only itself to blame for not reining in these blasphemers who kill in the name of Allah.

Hopeless. Because no matter how much I try to convince them I'm not like those terrorists overseas, they will simply dismiss it. No matter how many times I assert my faith as a "religion of peace" they will contend otherwise, naturally with the atrocities committed on 9/11. By radical Islamic terrorists.

Afraid. Because there could come a time when another large scale terrorist attack is carried out on American soil, by a member of my faith, and then those same people protesting with their firearms will only become more hostile to me and people of my faith.

Isolated. Because each time there is a terrorist attack on American soil, the first thing people will do is see if people of my faith were responsible for it. It would make me feel different and wary.

I never really fully comprehended how prophetic this post was going to be. Two days later there was a string of bombings in New York and a stabbing in Minnesota. This sends chills down my spine thinking about it.

 

[Coyote]

Marching, with firearms, protesting the building of a religious house of worship, or school, or cemetery is wrong in so many ways....legal, of course, as long as it's peaceful but I wonder how I, if I were an American citizen who is Muslim, would feel seeing that.

Angry. Not at them, but at the people committing atrocities in the name of my religion. These people are reacting naturally to what they see as a threat to their safety. My faith has only itself to blame for not reining in these blasphemers who kill in the name of Allah.

Hopeless. Because no matter how much I try to convince them I'm not like those terrorists overseas, they will simply dismiss it. No matter how many times I assert my faith as a "religion of peace" they will contend otherwise, naturally with the atrocities committed on 9/11. By radical Islamic terrorists.

Afraid. Because there could come a time when another large scale terrorist attack is carried out on American soil, by a member of my faith, and then those same people protesting with their firearms will only become more hostile to me and people of my faith.

Isolated. Because each time there is a terrorist attack on American soil, the first thing people will do is see if people of my faith were responsible for it. It would make me feel different and wary.

I never really fully comprehended how prophetic this post was going to be. Two days later there was a string of bombings in New York and a stabbing in Minnesota. This sends chills down my spine thinking about it.

I was thinking of you when I heard the news and of this post. And, this morning, they were talking to members of the Muslim community about just this thing. Very sad

 

[TemplarKormac]

Marching, with firearms, protesting the building of a religious house of worship, or school, or cemetery is wrong in so many ways....legal, of course, as long as it's peaceful but I wonder how I, if I were an American citizen who is Muslim, would feel seeing that.

Angry. Not at them, but at the people committing atrocities in the name of my religion. These people are reacting naturally to what they see as a threat to their safety. My faith has only itself to blame for not reining in these blasphemers who kill in the name of Allah.

Hopeless. Because no matter how much I try to convince them I'm not like those terrorists overseas, they will simply dismiss it. No matter how many times I assert my faith as a "religion of peace" they will contend otherwise, naturally with the atrocities committed on 9/11. By radical Islamic terrorists.

Afraid. Because there could come a time when another large scale terrorist attack is carried out on American soil, by a member of my faith, and then those same people protesting with their firearms will only become more hostile to me and people of my faith.

Isolated. Because each time there is a terrorist attack on American soil, the first thing people will do is see if people of my faith were responsible for it. It would make me feel different and wary.

I never really fully comprehended how prophetic this post was going to be. Two days later there was a string of bombings in New York and a stabbing in Minnesota. This sends chills down my spine thinking about it.

I was thinking of you when I heard the news and of this post. And, this morning, they were talking to members of the Muslim community about just this thing. Very sad

There was news that a federal building in Atlanta had been evacuated due to a suspicious package. Don't know if that amounted to anything or not. The past three days are starting to creep me out. There is a discernible pattern here.

 

[skookerasbil]

Muslims in Georgia announced a town meeting with the purpose of building a Muslim-only cemetery, an Islamic school, and yet another mosque

"The Express reports that the non-Muslim majority responded to the proposals by marching on the town square with firearms in tow to not only protest the construction of the Islamic facilities but also to demonstrate the American freedoms that are opposed by Islamic fundamentals and outlawed under Sharia law.

Newton County Muslims were apparently so appalled at the peaceful demonstration that they immediately called off the town meeting over a proposed mosque and attached religious school."

so wrong
so right
so wrong
so right

people have been heard. This is what democracy is about

as long as it stays peaceful

Now is there a compromise of a church donating space on Fridays for prayer or letting them use a hall for feeding the homeless when not serving food? Park gazebo? Maybe even a synagogue could rent or offer space at certain hours or on Fridays? Make it open to the public so the community knows what is happening in a mosque and what is being sermonized so they can understand and learn to have less objections? Find ways to integrate into the community instead of being isolated and treated with suspicion? Have community forums where by modifications to the misuse of sharia can be discussed and reform might be implemented? Christians, jews, etc. are subject to state and federal law above their religious laws and beliefs. Find a way for muslims in the community to conform as well. Teach them to understand they are american's first and muslims second.

Why is building a Mosque considered not assimilating? Do they need to be Baptists, too?

Can Christians and Catholics and Montessori build schools? Why can't this Muslim community?

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD


What a dummy..........one only has to YOUTUBE "NO GO" zones all over Europe and then come back and tell me that these people are assimilating to the culture. Have to have a plate in your head to think it possible. duh..........

What is it that some among us cant possibly comprehend this shit? Its fascinating!

 

[Brynmr]

church doctrine that Christians followed and hardly love of thy brother and neighbor

Even what was in the bible is now considered barbaric and wrong.

Quran was not written for those outside, it spoke in a language and phrasing of arabs at the time. Most is not speaking of the people acting on behalf of god but of what god will do in the right time. Sura, phrases take out of context.

We don't use language for what it means. Simple words like good and bad, hot and cold, are not used in the same way as their original dictionary meaning.

Outsiders try to read the quran but not to understand it. Reading the bible is like reading a horror story at time if you don't consider the times and audience.

Christianity has a long and blood history and is full of hate and condemnation. The distant world and isolation of Islam in some cases is taking a bid longer. Christians attacked them and kept them at a distant. Many muslims remember the crusades like we will remember 9/11 and terrorism and wars in "their" lands, and blame all the other people for the actions of a select few, or few thousand.

Knowledge and understanding, communication and cooperation, simple ideas that can make all the difference, both ways, instead the vicious cycle of distrust and hate and blame.

Shilling for an evil ideology is all you're doing. You don't fool me.

 

[Brynmr]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD


What a dummy..........one only has to YOUTUBE "NO GO" zones all over Europe and then come back and tell me that these people are assimilating to the culture. Have to have a plate in your head to think it possible. duh..........

What is it that some among us cant possibly comprehend this shit? Its fascinating!

The old lady knows nothing about Islam and so too is acting out on her delusional emotions.