Musk was right, a third party is needed in America

[Chuz Life]

One thing is for certain, any new or "enlarged" third party like Libertarians will push back against religious bullshit in politics. Only about 20% of Americans are like you, think everyone should be forced to worship Jeezy etc...

America should have freedom of religion as long as the religion obeys our laws, and freedom FROM religion.

I don't need "god" or religion in my life to know that your fascist fuctarded angst against all things religion is a detriment to your cause.

Zone1 Post in thread 'Abortion Debate: Come Clean and without fallacy'

Feb 13, 2026

My answer is not “no”. so I did not avoid it. I understand that religious zealotry does not allow for the superior right to life of an already born person when the born person has a new life inside her.

**** "God" and religion.

I don't give a flying **** about "religion."

Some do, I get it, but I am not one of THEM.

The Constitution is the law of this land and that I do care about.

The Constitution says that "all persons are entitled to the equal protections of our laws."

No ******* religion is needed or required.

• Chuz Life

• 

 

[EMH]

^^^^^^

why the GOP is hopeless and we need a 3rd party...

 

[Chuz Life]

^^^^^^

why the GOP is hopeless and we need a 3rd party...

I agree with the need for a 3rd party.

You should do a poll and see which of us (which approach) the others here on USMB are most likely to support.

Mine or Yours.

 

[Mac-7]

Our "system" won't allow it.

We have to fix the "system", but first, enough people have to give a crap.

Mac1958 is a 3rd party all to himself

He has all the answers, but could not muster enough support to be elected dog catcher

In fact none of the political know-it-all’s of his ilk are capable of leading

 

[EMH]

My best idea is the Libertarian Party, not that everyone is fully on board with Libertarianism, which has definitions that vary considerably.

Reagan said that Conservatism comes from Libertarianism, the desire for small, limited, inexpensive, TRANSPARENT government. The first duty of the Libertarian is to question WHY any more spending is needed. Many will argue "Reagan increased spending" but the reality is that Reagan sent budgets that cut spending over to the Dem controlled "Crook/Klansman" Congress, and KKKing of Pork Robert Byrd, former KKK Cyclops, put spending in. Reagan believed in limiting government as much as possible. After a quarter century of observing both parties do the exact opposite, most Americans now fully understand. We should not "trust" government. We should force government to be "transparent," small, limited, and cut if not absolutely needed. Government creates faux problems like CO2 FRAUD and Covid and 911 to enrich and empower itself by destroying us with taxes and forced vaccines and corrupt "justice."

 

[EMH]

The plan is for everyone fed up with Dem and GOP to register as Libertarian, and create what America needs right now


for small government, transparency, and a huge bias towards getting government out of things like health care.

Free and fair elections
Nobody is above the law, and this time actually enforce that...
Everyone is equal, no preferences or discrimination
Sane places to debate with the other side in a peaceful, professional manner, as Charlie Kirk was doing...
Condemnation of intellectual cowards who toss cards while refusing to answer basic questions


Get some big names on board, start with the elderly, they remember the great America of the 1990s, when government spending was only 25% of GDP....

 

[EMH]

And FOREIGN POLICY is 100% about US NATIONAL INTEREST


and precisely ZERO about RELIGION

 

[DennisPTate]

No, that's Mt Sinai.

Let's have a quick refresher. Battle with Amalek is before Mt. Sinai and just off the "coast" of Red Sea. Then they go to Mt. Sinai, where Moses and his inner circle are invited up the mountain by the Levites, who then don't let anyone else up there except a convoy of Midianites, without the Bible ever mentioning whether or not they ever came down the mountain. The Bible says Moses "looked different" when he came down, and then it was necessary to off 3500 people for "dancing." Later, during the conquest of Canaan, Moses/Joshua attack Midian, and with the Midians in full surrender, "Moses" comes out and says kill 'em all except the hot young virgins.

So Moses was rescued by the Midianites, and then exterminated them. Nice guy!!


OR

The Levites did all the "heavy lifting" getting the Israelites out of Egypt. But they felt unappreciated. The people credited Moses, even after the Amalek fight, where Moses chickened out while the Levites and only the Levites fought. The claim that the Israelites won because Moses raised his staff would be typical of a frustrated Levite angrily watching the people credit Moses not them. There are things in the Bible that nobody saw and things that everyone saw. The Bible could not lie about what everyone saw. The Bible couldn't lie about the battle with the Amalek or Moses looking different. During Battle with Amalek the staff has NO POWER AT ALL. And Joshua talks to God and his appearance never changes...


The explanation that fits best is that the Levites had "had it" with "Moses Moses Moses" when they did all the heavy fighting. Moses was a Midianite. When he escaped, he went home. But during his stay in Egypt, he met Joshua, unquestionably one of ancient history's most brilliant and capable generals. Moses = dumb shepherd, Joshua = brilliant general.... Joshua told Moses that to "get out" of Egypt, he and his top caliber Levite army would just need about 50 swords, a distraction, and the main Egyptian Army not right outside the construction site.

When Ramses takes power, he immediately goes to war with Hittites, the Battle of Kadesh. The historical summary of that battle is quite interesting. Originally Moses's battalion got ahead of the other two. The Hittites ambushed him, and got close to offing him when the other two arrive, and then Egypt starts winning. While Egypt is winning, all of a sudden Ramses wants a truce. After the battle, Ramses executed 200 chariot warriors while claiming a huge victory.

Back to Exodus, when they are confronted by chariots before reaching Red Sea, the chariots are not coming from Egypt, but rather from Kadesh. And it is just chariots, no ground troops with them.

So if Moses was just a Midianite shepherd and didn't know how to fight... he basically gave control to Joshua.

The 10 Commandments movie has all Hebrew slaves with beards and long hair. That is a deliberate lie. All ancient Egyptian construction workers were clean shaven skinheads because of lice. To replace Moses on top of Mt. Sinai, Moses was offed, but his Levite replacement would need time to grow a beard.... maybe 40 days.... and that's why the faux Moses exterminated Midian, because he was a fraud and they would all know it. The 3500 offed when he came down the mountain were clearly the Midianite portion of the Israelites, who knew the guy who came down was not the same guy who went up.



Richard Gabriel is a great historian and historical philosopher.... he isn't as blunt as I am, but these are good...

Wow!!!!!!!!!!

This is an absolutely fascinating response to this topic!

I shall have to pray about this and do some more research before I can give you any sort of competent reply to what you wrote. I had not idea until now that you also had really done your research on the Jewish and Christian scriptures.

Wow!

 

[Chuz Life]

My best idea is the Libertarian Party, not that everyone is fully on board with Libertarianism, which has definitions that vary considerably.

Reagan said that Conservatism comes from Libertarianism, the desire for small, limited, inexpensive, TRANSPARENT government. The first duty of the Libertarian is to question WHY any more spending is needed. Many will argue "Reagan increased spending" but the reality is that Reagan sent budgets that cut spending over to the Dem controlled "Crook/Klansman" Congress, and KKKing of Pork Robert Byrd, former KKK Cyclops, put spending in. Reagan believed in limiting government as much as possible. After a quarter century of observing both parties do the exact opposite, most Americans now fully understand. We should not "trust" government. We should force government to be "transparent," small, limited, and cut if not absolutely needed. Government creates faux problems like CO2 FRAUD and Covid and 911 to enrich and empower itself by destroying us with taxes and forced vaccines and corrupt "justice."

Does a smaller, more efficient government still have a legitimate role and responsibility for defending the basic human rights and lives of those (human beings) who are too weak, too old, or too young, too (temporarily) underdeveloped to speak for or defend themselves?

 

[DennisPTate]

And FOREIGN POLICY is 100% about US NATIONAL INTEREST


and precisely ZERO about RELIGION

I must disagree.....
Ever since the USA was founded the theology of the President and the Theology of the leading Fathers and Founders of the Republic of the United States of America were very much into spirituality and theology, [ but I have to admit that high level Masons had an astonishing amount of influence over how the USA Constitution was understood, even by those who wrote it]?

On one level the history of the USA is filled with the conflict between BigBanking vs the idea of "Jubilee" that was introduced by Moses - Moshe.

The bank of the bankers​

Alexander Hamilton​

​

But the bankers did not give up. Their agent, Alexander Hamilton, was named Secretary of Treasury in George Washington's cabinet, and advocated the establishment of a federal bank to be owned by private interests, and the creation of debt-money with false arguments like: “A national debt, if it is not excessive, will be to us a national blessing... The wisdom of the Government will be shown in never trusting itself with the use of so seducing and dangerous an expedient as issuing its own money.” Hamilton also made them believe that only the debt-money issued by private banks would be accepted in dealing abroad.
Thomas Jefferson, the Secretary of State, was strongly opposed to that project, but President Washington was finally won over by Hamilton's arguments. A federal bank was thus created in 1791, the “Bank of the United States”, with a 20 years' charter. Although it was termed “Bank of the United States”, it was actually the “bank of the bankers”, since it was not owned by the nation, but by individuals holding the bank's stocks, the private bankers. This name of “Bank of the United States” was purposely chosen to deceive the American population and to make them believe that they were the owners of the bank, which was not the case. The charter for the Bank of the United States ran out in 1811, and Congress voted against its renewal, thanks to the influence of Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson:​

Andrew Jackson​

“If Congress,” Jackson said, “has a right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use by themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”
Thus ended the history of the first Bank of the United States. But the bankers did not play their last card.​

The bankers launch the war​

Nathan Rothschild, of the Bank of England, issued an ultimatum: “Either the application for the renewal of the charter is granted, or the United States will find itself involved in a most disastrous war.” Jackson and the American patriots did not believe the power of the international moneylenders could extend so far. “You are a den of thieves-vipers,” Jackson told them. “I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God, I will rout you out!” Nathan Rothschild issued orders: “Teach these impudent Americans a lesson. Bring them back to Colonial status.”
The British Government launched the War of 1812 against the United States. Rothschild's plan was to impoverish the United States through this war to such an extent that the legislators would have to seek financial aid... which, of course, would be forthcoming only in return for the renewal of the charter for the Bank of the United States. Thousands were killed, but what does that matter to Rothschild? He had achieved his objective; the U.S. Congress granted the renewal of the Charter in 1816.
Abraham Lincoln is assassinated​

Abraham Lincoln​

​

Abraham Lincoln was elected President of the United States in 1860, under the promise of abolishing the slavery of the blacks. Eleven southern States, favourable to the human slavery of the black race, then decided to secede from the Union, to withdraw from the United States of America: that was the beginning of the Civil War (1861–1865). Lincoln, being short of money to finance the North's war effort, went to the bankers of New York, who agreed to lend him money at interest rates varying from 24 to 36 percent. Lincoln refused, knowing perfectly well that this was usury and that it would lead the United States to ruin. But his money problem was still not settled!
His friend in Chicago, Colonel Dick Taylor, came to his rescue and put the solution to him:
“Just get Congress to pass a bill authorizing the printing of full legal tender treasury notes, and pay your soldiers with them, and go ahead and win your war with them also.”
This is what Lincoln did, and he won the war: between 1862 and 1863, in full conformity with the provisions of the U.S. Constitution, Lincoln caused $450 million of debt-free Greenbacks to be issued, to conduct the Civil War. (These Treasury notes were called “Greenbacks” by the people because they were printed with green ink on the back.)​

Chapter 49 — The History of Banking Control in the United States

This fight of the International Financiers to install their fraudulent debt-money system has been particularly vicious in the United States of America since its very foundation, and historical facts show that several American statesmen were well aware of the dishonest money system the Financiers...

famguardian.org

 

[EMH]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!

This is an absolutely fascinating response to this topic!

I shall have to pray about this and do some more research before I can give you any sort of competent reply to what you wrote. I had not idea until now that you also had really done your research on the Jewish and Christian scriptures.

Wow!

My "expertise" is busting fraud.

I applaud religion when it helps to develop character and social skills for our young. When it is used to start wars, it makes an enemy of THE DOCTOR.... and it is these insufferably stupid Pro Israel Christians who cheer all these wars as our country falls apart right in front of our own eyes....

 

[EMH]

I must disagree.....
Ever since the USA was founded the theology of the President and the Theology of the leading Fathers and Founders of the Republic of the United States of America were very much into spirituality and theology, [ but I have to admit that high level Masons had an astonishing amount of influence over how the USA Constitution was understood, even by those who wrote it]?

On one level the history of the USA is filled with the conflict between BigBanking vs the idea of "Jubilee" that was introduced by Moses - Moshe.

if the LP takes power, you will always be free to speak your mind with no fear of "consequences" of big government.

You can argue for war. You'd better have a damn good US National Interest as a reason for it. We're sick of this shit in the Middle East.

Before elected Trump told Tucker "many people tell me 107 never happened" ...and now we've hit Iran twice, Houtis, Syria, Lebanon


We'll see. Trump is trying to coup the Ayatollah, who is a bad guy. The real truth is that the only reason we keep getting in wars in that part of the world is ISRAEL. Period. That's why....

 

[DennisPTate]

My "expertise" is busting fraud.

I applaud religion when it helps to develop character and social skills for our young. When it is used to start wars, it makes an enemy of THE DOCTOR.... and it is these insufferably stupid Pro Israel Christians who cheer all these wars as our country falls apart right in front of our own eyes....

I am of the belief that the fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty seven will bring Shalom to the Holy Land first.....

and it will set motion a series of events that will lead to Shalom in all the earth.

I am also of the belief that real Muslims, actual Muslims who truly know the Koran as well as the Books of Moses and of The Prophet Isa, [Shalom be upon Him]...... [The Christian Bible]... .will tend to support ten million Israelis in their goal to construct the literal Ezekiel chapter forty to forty eight temple complex.

http://godspeaceplan.org/books-download-page/

Book DownloadsGod's Peace Plan for the Holy Land and Others
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God's Peace Plan Hebrew God's Peace Plan Hebrew Version (final)
Way of Holiness and the Sacred Hoop Way of Holiness & the Sacred Hoop
What's Going On in the Holy Land What_s Going On In The Holy Land
Map of the Holy Land Map of the Holy Land
Map of the Holy Land Map of the Holy Land (Arabic & Hebrew)

God's Peace Plan

for the Holy Land

A Peace Plan for Israel/Palestine

conforming to guidelines from the Bible and Qur’an
presented by


Robert Leon Mendelson

Copyright December 2010.

......
Preface



“God’s Peace for the Holy Land*”? Isn’t that a presumptuous title? Please allow

me to explain. First, since the sacred books of Judaism, Christianity and Islam

provide the guidelines supporting this solution, and since I wasn’t the one who

wrote them, calling them “God’s” seems fair. That’s why the words “presented by”

precede my name on the title page. Second, this book in no way proselytizes or

puts one religion above another. Nor does it openly or subtly encourage anyone to

convert to anything. What it does is take into account something without which

attaining peace in the Holy Land (Israel/Palestine) will forever be unattainable.

That “something” is the sacred messages delivered to each of the peoples involved

in the dispute. In this case, referencing the sacred books is more than some dry,

scholarly exercise or even a gesture of courtesy. Without taking the sacred books

into account, peace in the Holy Land will be near, if not completely, impossible.


What it boils down to is this: there are two groups of people, Palestinians and

Ashkenazi Jews (a.k.a. “Khazars”/“Eastern European Jews”) living in the Holy Land

and who appear to be genetically unrelated. In general, the belief systems

(religions) of both groups seem to direct them to subjugate and/or expel the other

group based on their being alien interlopers. Since millions of participants believe

this, and because their beliefs lead to acts of violence, finding a solution that

permits peace requires referencing their sacred literature.



Some may say the conflict has nothing to do with religion, but if this were so,

Jews wouldn’t claim “God gave us this land”. There’d be no point in doing so if it

had no importance to people. And Iran, a Persian nation, would have little interest

in a conflict concerning Semitic peoples several hundred miles away. It’s the

religious connection that brings Muslims of diverse backgrounds together in

support of Palestinians. Nor would millions of American Christians support Israel

without that support based on how they’re taught to read their Bibles." (Robert Mendelson)

......
If it were not for Robert's book I would never have guessed that these verses were in the Koran:

Next, we come to Islam and most Palestinians.

Sura 29:46;

Dispute not…with people of the Book;

And say ye, "We believe in what hath been sent down to us [Qur’an]

and what hath been sent down to you. [Old & New Testaments]

Our God and your God is one,..."

Sura 2:136;

Say ye: "We believe in God,

and that which hath been sent down to us [Qur’an],

and that which hath been sent down to Abraham

and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [Joshua],

and in that was given to Moses, and to Jesus,

and that which was given to the prophets, from their Lord.

No difference do we make between any of them."

There are many other instances in which Muhammad told his people that

the books of the Bible were confirmed. Again, one can argue theology, but

Muslims have a choice as to whether they wish to read the Qur’an for life or

for death. Making use of the Old Testament for a solution meant for the

members of both tribes currently in the Holy Land in no way places Muslims

in other lands under any constraints in their own land. The following passage

is quite specific regarding the value of the Old Testament—properly applied;


Sura 46:12;

But before the Koran was the Book of Moses, a rule and a mercy;

and this Book confirmeth it (the Pentateuch)—in the Arabic tongue—

that those who are guilty of that wrong may be warned,

and as glad tidings to the doers of good."

“glad tidings” to “doers of good”. Muslims are supposed to be “doers of good”.

Using Old Testament Law for the descendents of those it was originally given to

in the same land in which it was originally received doesn’t violate shariah in the

least. Muhammad recited a verse including a reference to David (from the Bible)


Sura 6:85;

And we gave him Isaac and Jacob, and guided both aright;

and We had guided…among the descendants of Abraham, David …”

David said something pertinent to the situation:

Psalm 19:9-11, David;

9…The ordinances of the LORD are sure and altogether righteous.

10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold;

they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb.

11 By them is your servant warned;

in keeping them there is great reward.”

And last, an Old Testament prophecy of particular interest for Muslims

throughout the Middle East from Isaiah…

Isaiah 19:25;

The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying,

"Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria [Iraq] my handiwork,

and Israel my inheritance."

There is value for all people to make use of this wonderful tool for peace.

Without it, well, the next two passages sum up what Muslims will do.

The first passage explains how the situation in the Holy Land is seen by

Muslims worldwide and how it effects their relations with America.


Sura 60:7-9;

7 God will, perhaps, establish good will between yourselves

and those of them whom ye take to be your enemies:

God is powerful: and God is gracious, merciful.

8 God doth not forbid you to deal with kindness and fairness

towards those who have not made war upon you on account of your religion,

or driven you forth from your homes:

for God loveth those who act with fairness.



9 Only doth God forbid you to make friends of those who,

on account of your religion,

have warred against you,

and have driven you forth from your homes,

and have aided [America & the West] those [Israel] whom drove you forth:

and whoever maketh friends of them are wrongdoers."

Palestinians weren’t allowed to return to their homes after the war in 1948.

Then, after the 1967 war, more Palestinians were displaced. The majority of

Palestinians are Muslims, and whether rightly or wrongly, injustices committed

by Israel against Palestinians are perceived as injustices against Muslims as a

religion. According to this belief, verse 9 forbids all Muslims from making peace

with either Israel or anyone who supports Israel until this issue is resolved.

To understand what this next one is saying, understand that when Jews follow

the Torah and Old Testament, they’re included as “faithful”, too.


Sura 49:9-10;

9 If two bodies of the faithful are at war,

then make ye peace between them;

and if one of them wrong the other,

fight against that party which doth the wrong,

until they come back to the precepts of God;

if they come back, make peace between them with fairness,

and act impartially; God loveth those who act with impartiality.

10 Only the faithful [those who obey God's statutes] are brethren;

wherefore make peace between your brethren;

and fear God, that ye may obtain mercy."

The command to Muslims is for un-ending war until all parties abide by the

“precepts of God”. For Israelites, the precepts for sharing the land were placed

in the Old Testament. There was no need for covenants regarding land sharing

in the Holy Land to be duplicated in the Qur’an. Nor does referencing them in

any way make a Muslim disobedient to God. On the contrary—it enables them

to receive God’s mercy." (Robert Mendelson)

 

[EMH]

Does a smaller, more efficient government still have a legitimate role and responsibility for defending the basic human rights and lives of those (human beings) who are too weak, too old, or too young, too (temporarily) underdeveloped to speak for or defend themselves?

And here is the beginning of the "slippery slope" towards Huck, W, and all the rest of the religious big government Pro Israel RINOs.

A thorough AUDIT of all of these taxpayer funded "care" programs is desperately needed, as the Somalis in MN and elsewhere demonstrate...

and of course big government PRO ISRAEL RINO Mikey DeWine is a gov with the same issues....



If you want more spending and government shoving religion everywhere, you belong in the post 1998 GOP...

 

[Mac-7]

And here is the beginning of the "slippery slope" towards Huck, W, and all the rest of the religious big government Pro Israel RINOs.

A thorough AUDIT of all of these taxpayer funded "care" programs is desperately needed, as the Somalis in MN and elsewhere demonstrate...

and of course big government PRO ISRAEL RINO Mikey DeWine is a gov with the same issues....



If you want more spending and government shoving religion everywhere, you belong in the post 1998 GOP...

Is it because the Jews are God’s chosen people that causes libs to hate them so much?

 

[Chuz Life]

And here is the beginning of the "slippery slope" towards Huck, W, and all the rest of the religious big government Pro Israel RINOs.

A thorough AUDIT of all of these taxpayer funded "care" programs is desperately needed, as the Somalis in MN and elsewhere demonstrate...

and of course big government PRO ISRAEL RINO Mikey DeWine is a gov with the same issues....



If you want more spending and government shoving religion everywhere, you belong in the post 1998 GOP...

It's a stand alone question.

Objective-minded people will agree that even the smallest, most efficient governments have a legitimate role to play in defending the basic human rights of any and all human beings who can't speak for or defend themselves.

 

[Dorian Mode]

I don't think governments ever get better, they just get more corrupt over time. More parties just means more competitors in the organized crime. And you know what usually happens when there are competitors in organized crime. My advice to all is to not place your life in the hands of the government and do everything possible to never become dependent on the government.

 

[EMH]

It's a stand alone question.

Objective-minded people will agree that even the smallest, most efficient governments have a legitimate role to play in defending the basic human rights of any and all human beings who can't speak for or defend themselves.

but that's not where America is right now. Right now American Taxpayer is funding faux child care in MN and other states, clear "hospice fraud" in LA, massive MediCare and MediCaid fraud etc.


One of the reasons why we are funding those frauds is because there can never be enough for people like you.... you aren't conservative. You trust growing government to "care." People in government tend to "care" about THEMSELVES and NOT THOSE THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE.

And now that we are almost $40 trillion in debt....



ops, sorry, that's math, too complicated for you...

 

[EMH]

I don't think governments ever get better, they just get more corrupt over time. More parties just means more competitors in the organized crime. And you know what usually happens when there are competitors in organized crime. My advice to all is to not place your life in the hands of the government and do everything possible to never become dependent on the government.

THAT is why government should be MINIMIZED, constrained, small, transparent, trusting people over bureaucrats and $500k per year "non profit CEOs"

 

[EMH]

Is it because the Jews are God’s chosen people that causes libs to hate them so much?

One of the things the Libertarian Party insists on is that you self ID with a word you can actually define.

Your statement above is bigoted. It is "The Jews" as if they are all the same. That's all your brain can handle. It can't handle truth, numbers, patriotism to America etc...

Stay in the GOP, you perfectly represent what controls it, no patriotism to America, anti conservative, 100% pure moron religious bigot paper bagged by religion to cheer treason against America.