Musk and the Third party...

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

While the BBB has good stuff in it, one cannot say Trump's party is "fiscally conservative" while adding almost $5 trillion to the debt.

Where are you getting this $5 trillion figure? Every time you people post the deficit gets bigger and bigger by a trillion.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Hmm. I don't see how that's going to work for $37 trillion in debt.

The amount of revenue must outpace the amount of debt accrued. Can we do that? If not, the endeavor is pointless.

I said the bill was debt neutral, not that it would entirely eliminate it.

But, yes, it will reduce the debt - and pulverize the deficit.

More reconciliations and recission packages to come.

Never bet against Donald J. Trump.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Where are you getting this $5 trillion figure? Every time you people post the deficit gets bigger and bigger by a trillion.

The Senate OBBBA in Charts | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2025-06-30-Update (7/2/2025): The analysis below has been updated based CBO's initial estimate of the Senate-passe

www.crfb.org

 

[RhodyPatriot]

The Senate OBBBA in Charts | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2025-06-30-Update (7/2/2025): The analysis below has been updated based CBO's initial estimate of the Senate-passe

www.crfb.org

The CBO gets everything wrong.

They got the 2017 tax cuts wrong.

They got Obamacare wrong.

Why do you trust them still?

Take a look at the OMB's scoring of the bill.

Deficit neutral.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I said the bill was debt neutral, not that it would entirely eliminate it.

But, yes, it will reduce the debt - and pulverize the deficit.

More reconciliations and recission packages to come.

Never bet against Donald J. Trump.

I don't bet against Trump, but I don't worship him either.

I'm betting against the spineless lot in Congress who will pass spending but won't cut it.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Trump is the most admired Republican President inside of the GOP in modern history.

More so, at this point, than Reagan.

There is no constituency for this shit, it's a total fraud perpetrated by an emotional cripple who wants to get back at Trump for cutting his Biden green scam subsidies.

He voted for Biden in 2020.

And Musk's favorability is in the trash.

Trump wins again.

America needs Musk on our team.

I think he's to dumb and inexperienced to understand what he's up against.

When demons sing your praises you're doing the wrong thing. They will show him no mercy.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Senate OBBBA in Charts | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

2025-06-30-Update (7/2/2025): The analysis below has been updated based CBO's initial estimate of the Senate-passe

www.crfb.org

The CBO has been wrong on every prediction they have ever made. I heard discussions about eliminating the entire CBO for failure to get anything right. why do you believe them? No one else does, not even Democrats!

 

[RhodyPatriot]

America needs Musk on our team.

Well I can tell ya right now:

There's a far greater chance of that still happening and he and Trump making up than there is of this "America Party" going the **** anywhere.

It's laughable anyone is taking this even remotely seriously.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

I don't bet against Trump, but I don't worship him either.

Neither do I.

That's why when he does stuff I don't like, I excoriate him for it.

It's rare, but it does happen. (See Operation Warp Speed).

But politically speaking?

The dude is ******* Moses.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Deficit neutral.

There's the problem. Even deficit-neutral bills add to the debt. If no bills specifically addressing the debt are passed, deficit neutrality is pointless.

This kind of singular focus is what gets people in trouble.

 

[TemplarKormac]

The dude is ******* Moses.

I mean, you aren't wrong. But I draw a line between him and Congress. He has a spine. Trump. Not Congress.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Well I can tell ya right now:

There's a far greater chance of that still happening and he and Trump making up than there is of this "America Party" going the **** anywhere.

It's laughable anyone is taking this even remotely seriously.

The "America Party" is retarded.

Elon is on drugs.

He better wake up.

If America's traitors come back to power, Elon and all around him will be shown no mercy.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

There's the problem. Even deficit-neutral bills add to the debt.

Except this bill will not add to the debt.

If you want to believe conventional wisdom, that's your business.

But conventional wisdom in 2025 is virtually always wrong.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yes please..... Nothing would please me more than to see a serious third party take hold.... One with deep pockets and the ability to actually stand up to the uniparty. I don't know what's going on between him and Trump and I don't care.

I do care about political freedom though and we will never have that until we break the two party hold.

Go Elon!. .DOOOOOOOOOO IT!

Elon Musk Suggests His New Political Party Will Target Key Senate, House Seats

Musk polled his followers about whether they would want to see a third political party.

www.forbes.com

The problem is that the only people who would join Musk's party would most likely be Republicans and Independents who voted MAGA in the last elections.

That would split a rather fragile GOP majority so that the Democrats would easily retake Congress and the White House.

Be careful what you wish for.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

The problem is that the only people who would join Musk's party would most likely be Republicans and Independents who voted MAGA in the last elections.

One would think, but with Mark Cuban and Andrew Yang in the mix I'm highly skeptical.

This is going to be weird disaffected Democrats, and maybe a tiny smattering of RINOs who voted for Kamala anyway.

If it even gets off the ground.

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Except this bill will not add to the debt.

If you want to believe conventional wisdom, that's your business.

But conventional wisdom in 2025 is virtually always wrong.

America has to spend a little to repair the damage done by the traitors and stabilize the nation.

If this fails, it is over anyways

Elon's only move now is to find humility.

Be humble Elon!!!

 

[RhodyPatriot]

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www.crfb.org

 

[Orangecat]

Democrats will not trust Musk. Republicans shouldn’t either.

Trust him in what capacity? I neither trust nor distrust the man.

 

[YoursTruly]

While it’s an I treating IDEA I would need to see what the organization stands for., what type of people it attracts and how much traction they could actually get before I could even consider supporting them

The biggest part of this is going to be who Elon chooses to hold the initial leadership roles. They may change over time. But the first ones will be the one of the deciding factors of the platform.

I hope it's a fiscally conservative platform, that is heavy in the "no wars of aggression" and regime change.

Trump and his RINO's only had to secure the border, reduce spending and not get us into any wars. 1 out of 3 ain't good. But had they done all three, Elon would've never even thought about a 3rd party. And Trumps approval ratings would've gone through the roof.

 

[konradv]

Trust him in what capacity? I neither trust nor distrust the man.

Then you’re quite confused?