Multiple Victims at Indianapolis FedEx Facility

[westwall]

The mental health facilities are far too few and far between. And it is sad. Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar sufferers are especially hard hit. There are so few places that have the skills, and the space to take care of them that the only option is to turn them out onto the street where they have no recourse but crime.

I agree with that.

That is one area that government has truly failed.

Well, yes, but their biggest failure is in not preventing it in the first place and their biggest crime is causing it in the first place.

Government doesn't cause mental health problems. That is a genetic defect. Back in the old days those afflicted weren't burnt at the stake as witches, or were simply killed when they turned violent. Thankfully those days are past. But, we do need to address this issue. It is severe, and growing.

 

[emilynghiem]

Mental Illness is not just the most cruel of all social ills but it's a major cause of all other social ills. Mental illness is responsible for 18% of all crimes and 10% to 25% of all inmates in prison are seriously mentally ill. About 1/3 of all the homeless are seriously mentally. And Poverty and mental illness are closely related. In fact, improving the mental health of the country makes everything better.

Blaming mental illness for violent crime is like blaming your nerve endings for the pain you experience when someone punches you.

Just about anyone who walks into a building and kills a dozen people at random is sufferings from mental illness. Studies have shown that over half the mass murder suffer from some type of mental illness and 20% are serious mentally deranged, that is they suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and are often totally disconnected from reality. The only reason they are not involved in more crimes is due to their lack of ability to function.

Deinstitutionalization began over 60 years ago. As a result, 3.5 million people considered severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. Today over half the states in the country have less than 3 state mental hospital and almost everyone of them is completely full. Community Health Centers were suppose take the place of institutions. This worked fairly well for those with less serious mental health problems but it has been a dismal failure for those that are seriously mentally ill. Most of these people either end up in prison or homeless and often both. In all state penitentiaries, there are inmates who don't know why they are there. Some don't remember their name and many have lost the ability to communicate.

That explanation is a smokescreen intended to mask the national frustration of the American population caused by industrial-political corruption. Catch-all terms such as mental illness, undesirable, and social misfit are part of the manipulation of the American population.

I don't know about that but I do know there is little to no help in this country for the most seriously mentally ill. My best friend who was seriously Bipolar committed suicide 5 years ago. He stayed at our home for a few weeks but his highs and lows were so extreme it wasn't safe having him around the kids. Getting long term care for 30 days are longer was impossible.

My neighbor's 19 year old grandson who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia about 4 years ago has been in dozens of ERs and mental facilities in which he was committed by court order from 3 days to two weeks, sent home with prescriptions that his voices told him not take. His parents spent everything they had on him and he is now on Medicaid and on the streets. He has been arrested at least 3 times and was always released. Most of the time he's non-communitive with hallucinations and is dilutional. It's only a question before he hurts himself or others.

Dear Flopper
Where are you located?
The nonprofit healing ministry in Florida has been effective in successfully treating or curing some cases of schizophrenia. At the very least, the voices become less out of control where the person restores more ability "not to let them in."

I recommend people get this type of spiritual help with deliverance and healing prayer to remove the triggering root issues and to stop the rebellion and refusal to get help or comply with those trying to help.

I have friends,including Atheist, who DID the healing prayer and broke out of their destructive defeatist patterns. While those who didn't get this help are still stuck repeating the same.

The Florida nonprofit www.christianhealingmin.org
HEALING by Francis MacNutt mentions how cases were healed of schizophrenia and also suicidal depression refusing help.
These issues of the spirit can be healed by removing obstructions and restoring the original mindset and natural health.
www.healingisyours.com Dr. Phillip Goldfedder is another one, who used to help people calling by phone.

If you call around and find a healing deliverance group near you, please let mw know. I wish we had a directory of places to refer people to call who are stuck with family members denying they have these issues and blaming everyone else!

 

[GLASNOST]

Multiple victims would have been saved if multiple defenders had multiple firearms with multiple cartridges of ammunition and if multiple policemen had been positioned at multiple locations at (or near) FedEx's multiple tasked facilities. In other words, if everyone had been armed to the teeth these multiple shootings never would have happened.

I would look into earlier intervention at first sign of reports of mental instability or disorders, abuse or addiction. 98-99% of these cases have some warning sign. Very few cases, must be 1% or less have zero signs the person had any issues.

This could be prevented by addressing mental health and spiritual healing of past triggers, or any abusive or addictive disorders.

I am sure mental health needs to be worked out but I do not believe it is much of a factor in mass shootings.

 

[emilynghiem]

The mental health facilities are far too few and far between. And it is sad. Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar sufferers are especially hard hit. There are so few places that have the skills, and the space to take care of them that the only option is to turn them out onto the street where they have no recourse but crime.

I agree with that.

That is one area that government has truly failed.

Well, yes, but their biggest failure is in not preventing it in the first place and their biggest crime is causing it in the first place.

Government doesn't cause mental health problems. That is a genetic defect. Back in the old days those afflicted weren't burnt at the stake as witches, or were simply killed when they turned violent. Thankfully those days are past. But, we do need to address this issue. It is severe, and growing.

If it is genetic westwall
Then cases that have been cured would also have to show in the genetics as cureable and changeable.

What about cases caused by manmade abuses?

Could it be a predilection or tendency someone inherits?

So influential factors can cause it to manifest or cause it to be resolved, cured or managed/contained if it is chronic or terminal and isn't totally cureable.

If cases can be completely cured, chances are they were externally caused not genetically coded.

EX www.ariseandshine.org
Most likely the occult and cult abuse caused the extreme delusional obsessions. Not necessarily genetic, but could be psychologically prone similar to alcoholic or depressive personalities that lead to addictions that may or may not be fully cured or changed. Some can, some can only be managed but not fully cured.

 

[GLASNOST]

Government doesn't cause mental health problems.

Yes, it does.

That is a genetic defect.

No, you cannot say that. Are there genetic defect mental illnesses? Yes, but that's not the A to Z of the issue here.

 

[GLASNOST]

..... What about cases caused by manmade abuses?

Thank you, Emily.

 

[Turtlesoup]

There would be more victims if not for firearms which is why the socialists communists want them gone.

So it is your opinion that "socialists communists" want more victims. My, oh my, the things people believe!

They have to have more victims in order to get people willing to 'change' to accept their leadership...its why the dems are allowing and encouraging the brown shirts aka antifa and blm. Socialists and communists always have these type brown shirt groups to terrorize the populace for this purpose.

This is simply illogical and not true. You are combining your lack of political understanding with your fantasy. But I'm sorry about the gif.

Gee...this is your attempt to argue facts? To say that I am not right and try a smear when history clearly backs my stance. You childish insults and smears don't change facts hun.

 

[westwall]

Government doesn't cause mental health problems.

Yes, it does.

That is a genetic defect.

No, you cannot say that. Are there genetic defect mental illnesses? Yes, but that's not the A to Z of the issue here.

In pretty much all cases of severe mental illness (I am not talking personality disorders) genetics are THE primary cause.

 

[ClaireH]

Oh this is terrible...we need to take a look at guns. This pandemic has caused so much mental stress on people, goodness.

Don't look at my guns. They were not involved.

Perhaps if media would stop sensationalizing local events into national crises the crazy people who Democrats refuse to lock up would have less to live up to.

Yep....they turn these shootings into the Oscars of crime....these mental cases who do the shootings see how they are covered, then, when they plan on committing suicide, they follow the example and go to a public place.......

What people need to understand is that newspapers, when they existed....used to publish the suicide deaths of teenagers......then they stopped doing this because simply publishing the news inspired other teenagers to commit suicide. There is a copy cat dynamic that the press just encourages with their coverage. It also doesn't help that the democrat party press wants to splash these events across the country so they can push gun control...even though these are the rarest of rare events...more people die falling from ladders than die from mass public shootings each year.....

They need to stfu and understand that guns make you safer until you get shot .So safe, in fact, that the US leads the developed world in gun deaths. Its just common sense.

You need to realize that the only person responsible for a crime is the one that commits the crime.

You do not curb the rights of people who do not commit crimes.

That is a most excellent point. I remember the teachers in school who would punish the entire classroom for the behavior of one or two students. Collective punishment for the masses is unjust when law-abiding citizens have negative consequences for the illegal actions of the law-breakers.

Crucial fact: suicides account for the majority of gun deaths in the United States. Various sources support that 2/3rds of all US gun deaths are suicides. Two thirds. That was worth repeating. When a person suffers from clinical depression, there is no time to second guess or waste time. Setting up a support system when early warning signs are recognized saves lives.

Firearm Suicide in the United States

Firearm suicide is preventable, and addressing it is an essential element of any strategy to reduce gun violence in America.

everytownresearch.org

 

[Donald H]

Breaking news? These incidents are old news before the pools of blood have dried.

 

[2aguy]

Multiple victims would have been saved if multiple defenders had multiple firearms with multiple cartridges of ammunition and if multiple policemen had been positioned at multiple locations at (or near) FedEx's multiple tasked facilities. In other words, if everyone had been armed to the teeth these multiple shootings never would have happened.

I would look into earlier intervention at first sign of reports of mental instability or disorders, abuse or addiction. 98-99% of these cases have some warning sign. Very few cases, must be 1% or less have zero signs the person had any issues.

This could be prevented by addressing mental health and spiritual healing of past triggers, or any abusive or addictive disorders.

I am sure mental health needs to be worked out but I do not believe it is much of a factor in mass shootings.

It is everything in mass public shootings......fewer then 10 people a year out of 320 million people who think committing suicide by murdering as many people as possible is a mental illness....

 

[ClaireH]

Government doesn't cause mental health problems.

Yes, it does.

That is a genetic defect.

No, you cannot say that. Are there genetic defect mental illnesses? Yes, but that's not the A to Z of the issue here.

I found this to be more specific:
"Mental illness is heritable. This means that people don't inherit mental illness; rather, they inherit genes that make them susceptible to mental illness. Mental illness isn't a trait, so it can't be passed down directly from parent to child. The genes that have the potential to activate mental illness can be passed from parent to child, so mental illness is indeed genetic."

What Causes Mental Illness? Genetics, Environment, Risk Factors | HealthyPlace

What causes mental illness? Is mental illness hereditary? Is mental illness genetic? Get answers plus the risk factors in mental illness. Read this.

www.healthyplace.com

 

[Flopper]

Mental Illness is not just the most cruel of all social ills but it's a major cause of all other social ills. Mental illness is responsible for 18% of all crimes and 10% to 25% of all inmates in prison are seriously mentally ill. About 1/3 of all the homeless are seriously mentally. And Poverty and mental illness are closely related. In fact, improving the mental health of the country makes everything better.

Blaming mental illness for violent crime is like blaming your nerve endings for the pain you experience when someone punches you.

Just about anyone who walks into a building and kills a dozen people at random is sufferings from mental illness. Studies have shown that over half the mass murder suffer from some type of mental illness and 20% are serious mentally deranged, that is they suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and are often totally disconnected from reality. The only reason they are not involved in more crimes is due to their lack of ability to function.

Deinstitutionalization began over 60 years ago. As a result, 3.5 million people considered severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. Today over half the states in the country have less than 3 state mental hospital and almost everyone of them is completely full. Community Health Centers were suppose take the place of institutions. This worked fairly well for those with less serious mental health problems but it has been a dismal failure for those that are seriously mentally ill. Most of these people either end up in prison or homeless and often both. In all state penitentiaries, there are inmates who don't know why they are there. Some don't remember their name and many have lost the ability to communicate.

That explanation is a smokescreen intended to mask the national frustration of the American population caused by industrial-political corruption. Catch-all terms such as mental illness, undesirable, and social misfit are part of the manipulation of the American population.

I don't know about that but I do know there is little to no help in this country for the most seriously mentally ill. My best friend who was seriously Bipolar committed suicide 5 years ago. He stayed at our home for a few weeks but his highs and lows were so extreme it wasn't safe having him around the kids. Getting long term care for 30 days are longer was impossible.

My neighbor's 19 year old grand kid who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia about 4 years ago has been in dozens of ERs and mental facilities in which he was committed by court order from 3 days to two weeks, sent home with prescriptions that his voices told him not take. His parents spent everything they have and he is now on Medicaid and on the streets. He has been arrested at least 3 times and always released. Most of the time he's non-communitive with hallucinations and is dilutional. It's only a question before he hurts himself or others.

The mental health facilities are far too few and far between. And it is sad. Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar sufferers are especially hard hit. There are so few places that have the skills, and the space to take care of them that the only option is to turn them out onto the street where they have no recourse but crime. That is one area that government has truly failed.

Few people understand just how bad it is until they have to care for a love one who is schizophrenic and dealing with his hallucinations, peeing on the floor, waking out of the house with no clothes, accidentally setting fires in the house, never closing a a door, refusing to bathe or take medication, hours of walking in circles, refusing to eat, beating on your neighbors doors in the middle of the night, and worst of all friends and neighbors telling you that you need to do something about this behavior, as if that was possible. Holding down a job or participating in most any activity is nearly impossible. People like this have to be watched all the time. They may pickup a knife and stab themselves because the voices told them to do it or they may attack the mailman thinking he's demon.

In so many cases, the caregiver just has to give and put what use to be their loving husband, son, or daughter out on street.

 

[Flopper]

The mental health facilities are far too few and far between. And it is sad. Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar sufferers are especially hard hit. There are so few places that have the skills, and the space to take care of them that the only option is to turn them out onto the street where they have no recourse but crime.

I agree with that.

That is one area that government has truly failed.

Well, yes, but their biggest failure is in not preventing it in the first place and their biggest crime is causing it in the first place.

There is no known prevention for Bipolar disorder nor schizophrenia. There are treatments and medication but it's a long slow road, often requiring long term commitment at a cost few can afford. And even if you have the money, often the facilities you need are not available. The country made a terrible misstate in trying push all mental illness treatment into local community health centers and offices of local practitioners. Although it works well for people with emotions problems and mild mental illness, for the more serious cases, it's a disaster.

 

[Flopper]

Mental Illness is not just the most cruel of all social ills but it's a major cause of all other social ills. Mental illness is responsible for 18% of all crimes and 10% to 25% of all inmates in prison are seriously mentally ill. About 1/3 of all the homeless are seriously mentally. And Poverty and mental illness are closely related. In fact, improving the mental health of the country makes everything better.

Blaming mental illness for violent crime is like blaming your nerve endings for the pain you experience when someone punches you.

Just about anyone who walks into a building and kills a dozen people at random is sufferings from mental illness. Studies have shown that over half the mass murder suffer from some type of mental illness and 20% are serious mentally deranged, that is they suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and are often totally disconnected from reality. The only reason they are not involved in more crimes is due to their lack of ability to function.

Deinstitutionalization began over 60 years ago. As a result, 3.5 million people considered severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. Today over half the states in the country have less than 3 state mental hospital and almost everyone of them is completely full. Community Health Centers were suppose take the place of institutions. This worked fairly well for those with less serious mental health problems but it has been a dismal failure for those that are seriously mentally ill. Most of these people either end up in prison or homeless and often both. In all state penitentiaries, there are inmates who don't know why they are there. Some don't remember their name and many have lost the ability to communicate.

That explanation is a smokescreen intended to mask the national frustration of the American population caused by industrial-political corruption. Catch-all terms such as mental illness, undesirable, and social misfit are part of the manipulation of the American population.

I don't know about that but I do know there is little to no help in this country for the most seriously mentally ill. My best friend who was seriously Bipolar committed suicide 5 years ago. He stayed at our home for a few weeks but his highs and lows were so extreme it wasn't safe having him around the kids. Getting long term care for 30 days are longer was impossible.

My neighbor's 19 year old grandson who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia about 4 years ago has been in dozens of ERs and mental facilities in which he was committed by court order from 3 days to two weeks, sent home with prescriptions that his voices told him not take. His parents spent everything they had on him and he is now on Medicaid and on the streets. He has been arrested at least 3 times and was always released. Most of the time he's non-communitive with hallucinations and is dilutional. It's only a question before he hurts himself or others.

Dear Flopper
Where are you located?
The nonprofit healing ministry in Florida has been effective in successfully treating or curing some cases of schizophrenia. At the very least, the voices become less out of control where the person restores more ability "not to let them in."

I recommend people get this type of spiritual help with deliverance and healing prayer to remove the triggering root issues and to stop the rebellion and refusal to get help or comply with those trying to help.

I have friends,including Atheist, who DID the healing prayer and broke out of their destructive defeatist patterns. While those who didn't get this help are still stuck repeating the same.

The Florida nonprofit www.christianhealingmin.org
HEALING by Francis MacNutt mentions how cases were healed of schizophrenia and also suicidal depression refusing help.
These issues of the spirit can be healed by removing obstructions and restoring the original mindset and natural health.
www.healingisyours.com Dr. Phillip Goldfedder is another one, who used to help people calling by phone.

If you call around and find a healing deliverance group near you, please let mw know. I wish we had a directory of places to refer people to call who are stuck with family members denying they have these issues and blaming everyone else!

I thinking we are taking about a difference level of schizophrenia. What I am describing are schizophrenics that are completely out of of touch with reality. They may walk in circles for hours. If you stop them they walk around you. If you ask them a question, they don't respond. If they are hunger, they might say want some food. As you prepare a meal, they pick up raw meat and eat it. They sit at a table and eat with their hands. You remind them to use a fork and they hold it in one had and eat with their other hand. They might say need to pee and you tell them to go to the bathroom. They do and pee the bath tub.

 

[westwall]

Mental Illness is not just the most cruel of all social ills but it's a major cause of all other social ills. Mental illness is responsible for 18% of all crimes and 10% to 25% of all inmates in prison are seriously mentally ill. About 1/3 of all the homeless are seriously mentally. And Poverty and mental illness are closely related. In fact, improving the mental health of the country makes everything better.

Blaming mental illness for violent crime is like blaming your nerve endings for the pain you experience when someone punches you.

Just about anyone who walks into a building and kills a dozen people at random is sufferings from mental illness. Studies have shown that over half the mass murder suffer from some type of mental illness and 20% are serious mentally deranged, that is they suffer from hallucinations, delusions, and are often totally disconnected from reality. The only reason they are not involved in more crimes is due to their lack of ability to function.

Deinstitutionalization began over 60 years ago. As a result, 3.5 million people considered severely mentally ill do not receive any psychiatric treatment at all. Today over half the states in the country have less than 3 state mental hospital and almost everyone of them is completely full. Community Health Centers were suppose take the place of institutions. This worked fairly well for those with less serious mental health problems but it has been a dismal failure for those that are seriously mentally ill. Most of these people either end up in prison or homeless and often both. In all state penitentiaries, there are inmates who don't know why they are there. Some don't remember their name and many have lost the ability to communicate.

That explanation is a smokescreen intended to mask the national frustration of the American population caused by industrial-political corruption. Catch-all terms such as mental illness, undesirable, and social misfit are part of the manipulation of the American population.

I don't know about that but I do know there is little to no help in this country for the most seriously mentally ill. My best friend who was seriously Bipolar committed suicide 5 years ago. He stayed at our home for a few weeks but his highs and lows were so extreme it wasn't safe having him around the kids. Getting long term care for 30 days are longer was impossible.

My neighbor's 19 year old grand kid who was diagnosed with Schizophrenia about 4 years ago has been in dozens of ERs and mental facilities in which he was committed by court order from 3 days to two weeks, sent home with prescriptions that his voices told him not take. His parents spent everything they have and he is now on Medicaid and on the streets. He has been arrested at least 3 times and always released. Most of the time he's non-communitive with hallucinations and is dilutional. It's only a question before he hurts himself or others.

The mental health facilities are far too few and far between. And it is sad. Schizophrenia and Bi-Polar sufferers are especially hard hit. There are so few places that have the skills, and the space to take care of them that the only option is to turn them out onto the street where they have no recourse but crime. That is one area that government has truly failed.

Few people understand just how bad it is until they have to care for a love one who is schizophrenic and dealing with his hallucinations, peeing on the floor, waking out of the house with no clothes, accidentally setting fires in the house, never closing a a door, refusing to bathe or take medication, hours of walking in circles, refusing to eat, beating on your neighbors doors in the middle of the night, and worst of all friends and neighbors telling you that you need to do something about this behavior, as if that was possible. Holding down a job or participating in most any activity is nearly impossible. People like this have to be watched all the time. They may pickup a knife and stab themselves because the voices told them to do it or they may attack the mailman thinking he's demon.

In so many cases, the caregiver just has to give and put what use to be their loving husband, son, or daughter out on street.

Caregivers in those situations really need to be seeing a therapist. It is a constant drain, and you are absolutely correct, no one who hasn't experienced it can ever know just how stressful it is.

 

[GLASNOST]

There would be more victims if not for firearms which is why the socialists communists want them gone.

So it is your opinion that "socialists communists" want more victims. My, oh my, the things people believe!

They have to have more victims in order to get people willing to 'change' to accept their leadership...its why the dems are allowing and encouraging the brown shirts aka antifa and blm. Socialists and communists always have these type brown shirt groups to terrorize the populace for this purpose.

This is simply illogical and not true. You are combining your lack of political understanding with your fantasy. But I'm sorry about the gif.

Gee...this is your attempt to argue facts?

No. I am arguing against your fantasy.

To say that I am not right and try a smear when history clearly backs my stance. You childish insults and smears don't change facts hun.

So silly.

 

[GLASNOST]

In pretty much all cases of severe mental illness (I am not talking personality disorders) genetics are THE primary cause.

We are talking about mass shooters, etc. and I have no doubt this above is not true.

 

[GLASNOST]

Multiple victims would have been saved if multiple defenders had multiple firearms with multiple cartridges of ammunition and if multiple policemen had been positioned at multiple locations at (or near) FedEx's multiple tasked facilities. In other words, if everyone had been armed to the teeth these multiple shootings never would have happened.

I would look into earlier intervention at first sign of reports of mental instability or disorders, abuse or addiction. 98-99% of these cases have some warning sign. Very few cases, must be 1% or less have zero signs the person had any issues.

This could be prevented by addressing mental health and spiritual healing of past triggers, or any abusive or addictive disorders.

I am sure mental health needs to be worked out but I do not believe it is much of a factor in mass shootings.

It is everything in mass public shootings......fewer then 10 people a year out of 320 million people who think committing suicide by murdering as many people as possible is a mental illness....

What did you just say?

 

[GLASNOST]

Government doesn't cause mental health problems.

Yes, it does.

That is a genetic defect.

No, you cannot say that. Are there genetic defect mental illnesses? Yes, but that's not the A to Z of the issue here.

I found this to be more specific:
"Mental illness is heritable. This means that people don't inherit mental illness; rather, they inherit genes that make them susceptible to mental illness. Mental illness isn't a trait, so it can't be passed down directly from parent to child. The genes that have the potential to activate mental illness can be passed from parent to child, so mental illness is indeed genetic."

What Causes Mental Illness? Genetics, Environment, Risk Factors | HealthyPlace

What causes mental illness? Is mental illness hereditary? Is mental illness genetic? Get answers plus the risk factors in mental illness. Read this.

www.healthyplace.com

I am guessing that this "potential" is shared by each and every one of us that is to say that in the right circumstances we all have the potential to blast the shopping mall to smithereens. This labyrinth of "mental illness" excuses is merely a red herring meant to decrease attention given to the problem of social frustration fostered by apathetic governing. Yes, mental illness is a serious subject but I am sure that it has little bearing on mass shootings.