MSNBC legal analyst breaks the truth to Mourning Joe- Illegal Aliens are not owed due process

[Seymour Flops]

The administration says it wasn’t an error. Am I supposed to believe you instead?

You can believe whatever you want.

So Garcia is going to remain imprisoned in El Salvador for life?

How would I know? He's an El Salvadoran in El Salvador. That decision is up to El Salvador.

Garcia isnt the hill. He’s one example of the lawlessness and lack of regard for constitutional principles and civil rights from this administration.

Your party - including your media - is so focused on him that they can barely talk about anything else. The American people are against your party on this issue. Normal people do not fight this hard for a wife-beating human-trafficking alleged gang member to be allowed back into our country when he was here illegally.

Yes, your Party will die on Kilmar Hill if they do not come to their senses.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Is Trump team giving him that hearing with the judge on revoking his protection from being sent to ElSalvador?? Has Trump admin said they would give him his due process with that hearing? I haven't seen them? Do you have a link? They've been fighting g the law on that, from what I've seen or read.

You need to be honest.

According to the USSC, which I know you consider "the law," the next step if for El Salvador to release him, and then for the Trump administration to "facilitate" his return. Then give him due process.

Has El Salvador taken the first step?

 

[JohnDB]

Uh oh.....this is gonna flip some wigs.

 

[Marener]

You can believe whatever you want.

This is a tacit admission that the administration lies willingly to the American people and the courts.

How would I know? He's an El Salvadoran in El Salvador. That decision is up to El Salvador.

Last I checked, the people of El Salvador are not forbidden from leaving the country. The only reason Garcia isn’t coming back here is because he is incarcerated without charges or a trial.

Your party - including your media - is so focused on him that they can barely talk about anything else. The American people are against your party on this issue. Normal people do not fight this hard for a wife-beating human-trafficking alleged gang member to be allowed back into our country when he was here illegally.

Yes, your Party will die on Kilmar Hill if they do not come to their senses.

Sending hundreds of people to a foreign gulag without due process is a stain on this country. When will your party come to their senses?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Obama deported people regardless if they were criminals or not - why can't Trump?
Obama did not need to put every deportee before a judge - why does Trump?
Obama deported people with nothing but a review by a DHS or ICE agent - why can't Trump?
Obama deported people w/o witnesses, attorneys, or appeals - why can't Trump?

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

www.aclu.org

Obama's red line on 'good deportations' is inhumane – and he has crossed it

www.hrw.org

 

[JohnDB]

 

[debbiedowner]

Cliff's Notes: Democrats and the Media are full of shit about due process and illegal aliens.


Even the Obama admin deported illegal aliens without a judicial hearing.



"The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers."

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

www.aclu.org

That fucking lawyer should read the bill of rights. As Rand Paul said 2 weeks ago on TV.

Protections are for personhood and status.

Bill of Rights, as part of the U.S. Constitution, protects all individuals within the United States, regardless of their immigration status. The Constitution's protections are based on personhood, not citizenship, meaning that everyone on U.S. soil is entitled to the rights it guarantees

 

[Seymour Flops]

This is a tacit admission that the administration lies willingly to the American people and the courts.

I think you misunderstand the word "tacit." Perhaps you mean "implied?"

Last I checked, the people of El Salvador are not forbidden from leaving the country. The only reason Garcia isn’t coming back here is because he is incarcerated without charges or a trial.

File a lawsuit in the courts of El Salvador. Or more realistically, ask the ACLU to file it.

Sending hundreds of people to a foreign gulag without due process is a stain on this country. When will your party come to their senses?

If as large a majority of American voters opposed sending foreign criminal in the country illegally back to their homes as in reality support it, the Republicans would rethink. Not out of altruism but for their survival as a party.

Your Party should abandon this fight for invented rights for illegals before individual Democrats in vulnerable districts jump ship.

 

[konradv]

Cliff's Notes: Democrats and the Media are full of shit about due process and illegal aliens.


Even the Obama admin deported illegal aliens without a judicial hearing.



"The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers."

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

www.aclu.org

SCOTUS breaks the truth that they are owed due process.

 

[struth]

... but he still gets due process. Why does that bother you?

I have no issue with how Garcia had due process back in 2019 and ordered deported. Why do you think he gets a second bite at the apple?

 

[SeaMajor7]

This is a tacit admission that the administration lies willingly to the American people and the courts.

Last I checked, the people of El Salvador are not forbidden from leaving the country. The only reason Garcia isn’t coming back here is because he is incarcerated without charges or a trial.

Sending hundreds of people to a foreign gulag without due process is a stain on this country. When will your party come to their senses?

That fucking lawyer should read the bill of rights. As Rand Paul said 2 weeks ago on TV.

Protections are for personhood and status.

Bill of Rights, as part of the U.S. Constitution, protects all individuals within the United States, regardless of their immigration status. The Constitution's protections are based on personhood, not citizenship, meaning that everyone on U.S. soil is entitled to the rights it guarantees

Letting an INVASION of ILLEGAL ALIENS and then using our founding Documents to stop the American People from doing something about it is completely WRONG and INSANE. I'd go as far to say that's EVIL.
You scumbag demented avenger subverted demoralized Stalinist Marxist Leninist zombie ASSHOLES are PATHETIC.

 

[Marener]

I think you misunderstand the word "tacit." Perhaps you mean "implied?"

They're essentially synonymous.

File a kawsuit in the courts of El Salvador. Or more realistically, ask the ACLU to file it.

But we know that El Salvador doesn't respect human rights, which is precisely why Trump sent them there in the first place. Because Trump doesn't respect human rights.

If as large a majority of American voters opposed sending foreign criminal in the country illegally back to their homes as in reality support it, the Republicans would rethink. Not out of altruism but for their survival as a party.

Your Party should abandon this fight for invented rights for illegals before individual Democrats in vulnerable districts jump ship.

You, like many Republicans, appear to be victims of misinformation. You're not sending criminals as most of them don't have criminal convictions. You're not sending them back to their homes, you're sending Venezuelans to El Salvador. And you're refusing to acknowledge that you're not deporting them, you're sending them to be indefinitely incarcerated.

History will judge you and your party harshly because of your abandonment of the principles our country was founded on.

 

[SeaMajor7]

They're essentially synonymous.

But we know that El Salvador doesn't respect human rights, which is precisely why Trump sent them there in the first place. Because Trump doesn't respect human rights.

You, like many Republicans, appear to be victims of misinformation. You're not sending criminals as most of them don't have criminal convictions. You're not sending them back to their homes, you're sending Venezuelans to El Salvador. And you're refusing to acknowledge that you're not deporting them, you're sending them to be indefinitely incarcerated.

History will judge you and your party harshly because of your abandonment of the principles our country was founded on.

Your DELIBERATE INVASION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS was a FAILURE.
They're getting DEPORTED whether you like it or NOT.

 

[hadit]

From being deported to El Salvador, not from being deported.

Correct.

That's absurd. He got plenty of due process. He got exactly the ruling he asked for.

Then . . . because of an administrative error, he was deported to the wrong place.

It's an error easily fixed by having another hearing in which the immigration judge will remove that restriction on deporting him to El Salvador. Once that is done, he's in the right place. Problem solved.

The end.

Or can this never be resolved to the Democrats' satisfaction without the wife-beating, human trafficking suspected gang member being released in the U.S?

Be honest, now.

They don't really care about him being released in the US, nor do they really care about him being stuck in a foreign country. The bottom line is they only want Orange Man Bad things they can repeat ad nauseum.

 

[struth]

They have no reason to imprison him.

Take it up with the govt of El Salvador

Or maybe go whine on one of the El Salvador political message boards

 

[M14 Shooter]

They have no reason to imprison him.

They disagree.
So... now what?

 

[Care4all]

According to the USSC, which I know you consider "the law," the next step if for El Salvador to release him, and then for the Trump administration to "facilitate" his return. Then give him due process.

Has El Salvador taken the first step?

Nope! The SC said the Trump's team next action would be to facilitate his return with Bukele, to have the hearing....not simply wait for Bukele, but facilitate Garcia's return WITH Bukele.

I've seen or heard of no instance since the SC ruling weeks ago, where the admin or Trump tried to facilitate Garcia's return WITH Bukele, until a couple of days ago with Sec. Rubio going over there....of which we don't know any details if it was about Garcia.

If President Trump asked Bukele directly to facilitate Garcia's return to the USA, Bukele would do it....Trump said so himself in a Nationwide tv interview less than a week ago.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Nope! The SC said the Trump's team next action would be to facilitate his return with Bukele, to have the hearing....not simply wait for Bukele, but facilitate Garcia's return WITH Bukele.

You know "facilitate" means "to make easier" - right?
We offered to fly him home. That's facilitation.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Nope! The SC said the Trump's team next action would be to facilitate his return with Bukele, to have the hearing....not simply wait for Bukele, but facilitate Garcia's return WITH Bukele.

I've seen or heard of no instance since the SC ruling weeks ago, where the admin or Trump tried to facilitate Garcia's return WITH Bukele, until a couple of days ago with Sec. Rubio going over there....of which we don't know any details if it was about Garcia.

If President Trump asked Bukele directly to facilitate Garcia's return to the USA, Bukele would do it....Trump said so himself in a Nationwide tv interview less than a week ago.

He's not coming back, princess.

 

[Rawley]

What makes you think that? Has he been given any access to his lawyers or wife right now via phone?

DON't know, don't really care. If/when they have an immigration hearing, he will be given access to his lawyers.