I'm not going to reply to anything that is off-topic and there is a LOT of off-topic stuff here. Post it on the appropriate thread and I will respond as I have time.
Yes, I posted that poll, again for a reason. There are those claiming that there is overwhelming support among Palestinians for knife attacks on civilians. What the poll shows is no, there isn't.
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Take your statement: Are we to judge and criticize Israel's citizens for things they do not, in fact, believe
and apply it to the Palestinians.
Your poll shows 1/2 of Palestinians and 4/5's of Gazans support knife attacks on civilians.
Another poll shows that 2/3 of Palestinians support knife attacks on civilians. That adequately demonstrates what Palestinians believe and in my mind it is
overwhelming support for attacks on civilians.
I do not believe Israel, targets civilians, though I do think individual soldiers might do so (as in any army and conflict where "the other" is dehumanized, which is almost all conflicts). I think Israel makes a major effort to avoid doing so in a complicated situation like urban Gaza.
And here you correct the false equivalency you attempted to build earlier. Israel does not target civilians and makes a "major effort" not to (one would assume because the vast majority of Israelis do not believe that targeting civilians is acceptable or desirable).
As opposed to Palestinians and Gazans who overwhelmingly support such attacks and carry them out and celebrate them. The difference, a marked one, is in the ideology of both sides.
I agree that much of the Israeli culture abhors senseless killing and that is reflected in public opinion polls and serious cultural questioning. But there is a significant minority that doesn't consider Arab citizens to be people. There was an incident several years ago when an Arab Israeli or Palestinian youth was beaten severely, and politicians were questioning what was going on in their culture. Now granted - I have not heard of Palestinians soul-searching their own culture in this manner, so I should look for that, perhaps they do - but I give kudos to Israel for soul searching when these things happen.
And again, thank you for correcting your own initial attempt at a false equivalency. I agree there is a minority in Israel who hold ideologies I find abhorrent. The point being that it is a small minority rather than 1/2 or 2/3 or 4/5's. And Israel and her citizens and the Jewish people in general regularly and publicly check in. Not equivalent.
What is the difference between wanting your children, and your nation, and your culture to be protected and safe and defended and wanting your children to HAVE a nation, a culture, and safety?
What is the difference between living with the constant threat of rockets and alarms and bomb shelters and living with the constant threat of seeing relatives shot, arrested without charges, check point inspections, closed roads, having your home demolished or your city bombed?
A few things come to mind (no particular order):
1. If you stopped doing morally reprehensible things, would you be safer?
2. If you stopped using violence would your children be safer?
3. If your children stopped stabbing innocent people, would they not be shot?
4. If you stopped planning terrorist attacks, would you not be arrested and imprisoned?
5. If you stopped sending suicide bombers, would you not have to suffer checkpoints?
6. If you stopped building illegal homes, would your home not be demolished?
7. If you stopped attacking Israel, would your city not be bombed?
8. If you stopped permitting rockets being set up next to your kid's school, would your kids be safer?
And you have no idea whatsoever how many of those watching condone the murder of innocents rather than just wanting their children to be safe
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And can you apply that bolded statement to Palestinians?
I don't have to. You already kindly provided that information in the poll cited in the OP.
