Most don't chose to be "Poor" what an absurd ignorance.

[OldLady]

From what I've seen it seems about 1/3rd of the poor are poor because of disabilities, physical, or mental. this includes many Veterans , Another 1/3rd are either are ex convicts tarnishing their records, or literally aren't intelligent enough to make it. The final 1/3rd are mostly single mothers, younger generations attempting to move up in it's ranks, and people working menial jobs with little pay.

I don't know how anyone couldn't get that in a Capitalist system of nature, how there wouldn't be poor exactly?

Just as well, such a unnatural system of Communism also leads to poor.

Literally, the hybrid system is the only real fair solution.

Most of the poor grew up poor. You are born with handicaps if you are born poor. It takes help and intervention to break free.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyone who thinks poverty is a choice, must be pretty ignorant to say the very least.

Ignorant of genetics, like how people suffer from diseases like MS, Parkinsons, Down Syndrome,Alzheimers, Cystis Fibrosis, Sickle Cell, or from being maimed, or simple back, knee, or neck injuries. That doesn't even speak of Bi Polar, Schizophrenia, severe depression.

Then there's the fact, they don't understand the nature of Capitalism, in the first place. Capitalism creates winners, and losers. Capitalism leads to so many "Elite" and so many "Servants" of the elite, it will always have minimum wage jobs, no matter how smart, or educated they are.

I dont think anyone disagrees with helping people with legit problems.
I was poor as a Church Mouse at one time in my life and worked my ass off to correct the problem,yet I was smart enough to know better than to start a fuken family at the time.
There are a lot of people out there who are poor because they made bad decisions.

Why does it make sense to have Bezos have so much money he doesn't know what to do with?
As Bezos cuts out a ton of ma & pa local businesses, and even corporations to sustain his empire of absurdity.

As opposed to having Bezos pay for the wall on Mexico, himself, and pay for a bunch of poor people as well in need.

It just doesn't make sense, I don't get it, and I don't want to get it.

Bezos is a Capitalist embarrassment.

This kinda goes back to you could confiscate every dollar the rich possess and it wouldnt amount to a hill of beans.

The super rich should be paying for the wall, they should be paying for military, schools, and benefits too.

Why shouldn't they?
They get so rich, they can't even spend that money in a 1,000 life-times, WTF?

I can think of a ton of better uses for that money, rather than hoarding it at societies expense.

The rich do not “hoard” their money. Uber-wealthy people do not bury their fortunes in their back yard or keep them in a storage facility. They either spend their money, save it (in a financial institution) or invest it. Either way, their money helps others “less fortunate” than themselves. When they spend it, they create employment opportunities, when they save it others have access to various types of loans to purchase things or start a business and when they invest it the entire economy benefits. By the way, when the wealthy spend their money they actually create higher paying jobs than those poor folks do when they spend their own money. A matière de in a five star restaurant makes a lot more than a matière de at McDonalds …. oh, wait.

Workers do the same thing.....they are the consumers in our society
When their wages are stagnant because the wealthy hold more for themselves....the economy suffers

Trickle down is not an effective means of distribution

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Most don't chose to be "Poor"

Of course they do, tard. They make that choice every time they make a decision that results in them being poor

Individualists are basically the unenlightened, rather than the enlightened.

So, surprised that you, and PoliticalChic as Asians follow Individualism, when it's completely alien to Eastern Asians in general.

Capitalism creates winners, and losers, plain, and simple. As long as the market demands far more contractors, and service industry people than doctors, and lawyers it will in fact have more people with modest wages, rather than huge wages.

It doesn't matter how educated the population is, we could all have PhD degrees, and still would need more people digging ditches, mowing lawns, scrubbing toilets, collecting carts and flipping burgers, rather than lawyers, doctors, engineers, business owners, and accountants.

The fact of the matter is so long as the market demands cheap labor, and pays in return poverty wages, there will be poverty.

As for saying it's someone fault for their failings, 9 times of 10 a lot of them are biologically inclined to failings, be it a lame leg, a painful back, be it MS, Diabetes, Parkinson disease, PTSD, Schizophrenia, Bi Polar disorder, be it a borderline retarded IQ, or simply lacking the resources for college.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Why should we blame the poor, instead of blaming a system that allows for people to get stuck in minimum wage jobs, and at the same time allows people to get so rich they can't even spend that money.

I grew up in poverty.
Now I’m a muti millionaire.

Only happened because I live in America and I didn’t sit on my thumbs whining about rich people.

Admitting one is an Individualist is a nice way of saying they're very selfish, and rather dumb.

If you aren't empathetic, or intelligent enough to grasp the society around you, then the sad truth is just that.

Want to go to Southeast Asia on my return trip and live in rice paddies picking leaches off as you try to help the poor?

Well, South-East Asia seems to be the next China, I.E the next place to get American jobs.

We're f*cked as a species, pollution is obviously getting bad, many ethnics are being replaced before our eyes, as the upper crust have less kids, and the Third-World rises as the "Norm"

I don't like the Third-World condition, I wish we could change it, but unfortunately it seems to be a lot of their "Biological inclinations"

You can be the 1% finally. The envy of everyone and everyone can ***** about you like you do here.

My family's worth about 1.8 million, That's pretty close to top 1% in net worth.
Yet, I'm still think as a Collectivist, I worry about many who would lose their health coverage, because then we'd have senseless death of people dying in the streets of treatable disease.

Yes, I'm a Collectivist on social issues as well, our society behaves like a social organism, and is being eroded by third-World immigration being promoted by (Drum roll) Capitalist companies.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

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From what I've seen it seems about 1/3rd of the poor are poor because of disabilities, physical, or mental. this includes many Veterans , Another 1/3rd are either are ex convicts tarnishing their records, or literally aren't intelligent enough to make it. The final 1/3rd are mostly single mothers, younger generations attempting to move up in it's ranks, and people working menial jobs with little pay.

I don't know how anyone couldn't get that in a Capitalist system of nature, how there wouldn't be poor exactly?

Just as well, such a unnatural system of Communism also leads to poor.

Literally, the hybrid system is the only real fair solution.

Life is not fair. What we HAVE is a hybrid system. We do not have a free market. True free markets are not regulated.
Most people are poor because they are either too stupid or too lazy to achieve.

Even if 100% of the population had PhD degrees, you'd still have the same amount of poverty, because that is what Capitalism does it creates winners, and losers. Because then people with PhD degrees would be flipping burgers, mowing lawns, scrubbing toilets, etc. because that is what the economy demands.

Anyone who thinks everybody can just become successful, is ridiculous.

First of all, IQ, and ambitions are probably 75% genetic.

Second off, college is expensive, so expensive that it's difficult for someone working at WalMart temporarily to even get the money to save up for college.

Unfortunately, a lot of my generation is working menial jobs just to pay back student debt.

It's not the same America, Crapitalism sold America out, to a bunch of foreigners, once again blame Capitalism. They the Capitalists are never satisfied, and such unpatriotic twits, they'll always import more foreigners from Mexico, and export more jobs to China. Just to save money.

That is true. There are winners and losers in capitalism. But in communism, almost everyone's a loser, except the ruling government elite, who live well off the taxpayers' backs.

Capitalism is a system that has created so much wealth that 99.99% of the population today live better than the richest 0.1% of the population 200 years ago. For most of history, that wasn't the case.

Didn't say I'm a Communist, did I?
There's are systems between Capitalism, and Communism. Social Democracy, Fascism, Monarchism, Mercantilism.

Even so even Communism is far more Nationalistic than what we have.

I'm afraid Capitalism sells out to social Liberalism, and anti-Nationalism every time, as it promotes cheap labor, and profits off of the backs of selling Liberalism to the masses.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Anyone who thinks poverty is a choice, must be pretty ignorant to say the very least.

Ignorant of genetics, like how people suffer from diseases like MS, Parkinsons, Down Syndrome,Alzheimers, Cystis Fibrosis, Sickle Cell, or from being maimed, or simple back, knee, or neck injuries. That doesn't even speak of Bi Polar, Schizophrenia, severe depression.

Then there's the fact, they don't understand the nature of Capitalism, in the first place. Capitalism creates winners, and losers. Capitalism leads to so many "Elite" and so many "Servants" of the elite, it will always have minimum wage jobs, no matter how smart, or educated they are.

I dont think anyone disagrees with helping people with legit problems.
I was poor as a Church Mouse at one time in my life and worked my ass off to correct the problem,yet I was smart enough to know better than to start a fuken family at the time.
There are a lot of people out there who are poor because they made bad decisions.

Why does it make sense to have Bezos have so much money he doesn't know what to do with?
As Bezos cuts out a ton of ma & pa local businesses, and even corporations to sustain his empire of absurdity.

As opposed to having Bezos pay for the wall on Mexico, himself, and pay for a bunch of poor people as well in need.

It just doesn't make sense, I don't get it, and I don't want to get it.

Bezos is a Capitalist embarrassment.

This kinda goes back to you could confiscate every dollar the rich possess and it wouldnt amount to a hill of beans.

The super rich should be paying for the wall, they should be paying for military, schools, and benefits too.

Why shouldn't they?
They get so rich, they can't even spend that money in a 1,000 life-times, WTF?

I can think of a ton of better uses for that money, rather than hoarding it at societies expense.

The rich do not “hoard” their money. Uber-wealthy people do not bury their fortunes in their back yard or keep them in a storage facility. They either spend their money, save it (in a financial institution) or invest it. Either way, their money helps others “less fortunate” than themselves. When they spend it, they create employment opportunities, when they save it others have access to various types of loans to purchase things or start a business and when they invest it the entire economy benefits. By the way, when the wealthy spend their money they actually create higher paying jobs than those poor folks do when they spend their own money. A matière de in a five star restaurant makes a lot more than a matière de at McDonalds …. oh, wait.

You're right, they invest often into other countries manufacturing jobs, by shipping our jobs to China, Vietnam, Mexico, and India.
Good job Capitalists.

I don't know how Republicans can be so duped into thinking Capitalism is the true Patriotism. (Rolls eyes)

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If you taxed the top 0.1% a very high amount, the deficit would be gone in no time.

But, of course that would never make sense. (Rolls eyes)

as he types from his lenovo cronyism do gooder socialism

MOre of that thats what yas need .....errrr no
it doesnt make sense cause they'd be broke and youd still have a deficit
wahhh other people have more money then me ...YEp even some back roads country farmers can buy and sell yas .....but hed never let ya know it

where the **** was everybody when i was 20 and 21 and could barley keep the lights on ?


as for "globalist " (please)like myself s they say in bix nood land dont hate the player. irrelevant anyway . Personally i only took the opportunities that presented themselves to me .remember that the next time they lie to ya and the other half of your manufacturing base disappears or is swamped with illegals .

innovation, streamlining ,automation is nothing new! robotics will never fully replace the need for two hands and a human brain ...not anytime soon anyway
i made things in the USa where i could from fall river to Greensboro, to Poughkeepsie to Pennsylvania , to California

ONE of my side gig was getting my hands on garbage from American producers and supplying USA exporters ...MY goodness
many times a couple dozen tractor tailor loads of shit on one buy

i could tell you guys hoorah stories of nafta loopholes, exploits ,and shit they pretty much LET us used to get away with

YA even had super duper big shits parking mountains of aluminum across the border while obama looked the other way and played patty cake

im not against trade im totally for FOR fair free global trade ...and even starting trade wars over it ...which ive already stated here before



global trade is going on for 500 years now grow up
vote idiots that'll do right by the people and the nation ...with sound trade policy
and the promotion of free markets.

and globalist is not some retard in hackensack with small plant or a warehouse or doing whatever else with other OUTSIDE the USA
or a mill still hanging on for the last 140 years while you guys buy whats on sale at friggin walmart ? a place i never shopped at till 2008

AND way to go patriots ya saved 20 dollars on a toaster oven.
are ya traitors now ? of course not
seriously where yas when i could barley keep my lights on ?
where were ya when bill gates was derping in his garage ?...forget what hes worth today! OR what his foundation does ! where where ya when he begged his family for cash ?


is some of the game rigged ?
oh yes more and more these days ...golly gee i wonder why

people also make shitty choices
THe op is a European
never really pay attention to euros especially left ones

and if yer feeling broke most of you are already 1 %welcome to the 1%

Ranking by Income
According to the Global Rich List, a website that brings awareness to worldwide income disparities, an income of $32,400 a year will allow you to make the cut. $32,400 amounts to roughly:

• 28,614 euros
• 2.307 million Indian rupees
• 218,532 Chinese yuan

So if you’re an accountant, a registered nurse or even an elementary school teacher, congratulations. The average wage for any of these careers falls well within the top 1 percent worldwide.


Not surprisingly, it takes a much higher income to crack the top 1 percent of wage earners in just the United States. You’d have to make $421,926 to make the cut, according to a 2018 report by the Economic Policy Institute.


net worth, which includes everything from the equity in your home to the value of your investments. That’s equal to roughly:

• 680,083 euros
• 54.84 million Indian rupees
• 5.19 million Chinese yuan

I said top 0.1% people like Bezos, Buffet, and Gates (Democrats). Those 3 each have net worth which could easily be cut down enough to pay a sizable portion of the deficit.

Rather than being good with money, and balancing budgets, Republicans just seem to love Capitalism, and hate the poor.

Besides, especially in the case of Bezos, he's a parasite, who's cut down a ton of local businesses, in favor of consolidating jobs into his Amazon shipping facilities.

Bezos shouldn't be tolerated, why he is, is a bit of a mystery, he's a all around negative to this country.

 

[Dekster]

From what I've seen it seems about 1/3rd of the poor are poor because of disabilities, physical, or mental. this includes many Veterans , Another 1/3rd are either are ex convicts tarnishing their records, or literally aren't intelligent enough to make it. The final 1/3rd are mostly single mothers, younger generations attempting to move up in it's ranks, and people working menial jobs with little pay.

I don't know how anyone couldn't get that in a Capitalist system of nature, how there wouldn't be poor exactly?

Just as well, such a unnatural system of Communism also leads to poor.

Literally, the hybrid system is the only real fair solution.

When you chose to do a crime, you are are choosing to be poorer. When you chose to have a baby as a single parent, you are choosing to be poorer. So by your standard at least 2/3'rds of your people choose to be poor despite your thread title that most don't chose to be poor.

Yet, generation after generation in Appalachia live in poverty.

When generation after generation choses to remain in an area where there are no opportunities, they choose to live in poverty.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

First of all, IQ, and ambitions are probably 75% genetic.

Many studies indicate a .8 correlation.

Second off, college is expensive, so expensive that it's difficult for someone working at WalMart temporarily to even get the money to save up for college.

Ever wondered why college is so expensive? Research the role of government in student loan programs.

It's not the same America, Crapitalism sold America out, to a bunch of foreigners, once again blame Capitalism.

Capitalism never changed...government intervention sold Americans out. Government intervention socialized corporate failure. Government intervention created interlocking trade agreements which make it beneficial for businesses to outsource and receive tax breaks. Capitalism has remained the same.

Government intervention sold out America?

How many jobs are being outsourced, or immigrants insourced in Government jobs?
Now compare to how many jobs are outsourced, or immigrants insource for Capitalist company jobs?\

Yeah, that's what I thought!

The government is supposed to limit immigration, that's always been American, however.

First it was Black slaves, and British indentured servants. Then Irish and Germans, then Italians, Polish, and Jews, then Puerto Ricans, Domnicans, and Jamaicans. and Cubans, then Mexicans, Salvadorians, Indians, Chinese, Guatemalans, Ecuadorians etc.

Either you are intentionally obtuse or just too dim to grasp the concepts. The policies which made all of those things possible are not capitalism...they are statism and corporatism.
Corporations exist because they were created by government. The modern economic system is a merger of state and corporate powers...thus hybrid. What we have now is NOT free market capitalism.

Corporations bust our balls with outsourcing, small businesses bust our balls with hiring illegals.

How is that the work of the government?

Yeah, because the government didn't outlaw these things hurting America, that's why!

As for blaming things such as Unions, and Minimum wage for cheap labor foreigners getting once American jobs.
Why?
Unions are down, Minimum wage hasn't gone up as much, as it should have.
Yet jobs increasingly went to foreigners at the same period when real-wages flatlined, or even declined, as productivity spiked.

PS.
Republicans of Teddy Roosevelt made sense, you trust bust big corporations, why?
Simple, the same concept of Corporations exist as with Communism, as the competition lacks, they both cut corners, and lead to less opportunities.

The Republicans of today are idiots, plain, and simple.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I grew up in poverty.
Now I’m a muti millionaire.

Only happened because I live in America and I didn’t sit on my thumbs whining about rich people.

Admitting one is an Individualist is a nice way of saying they're very selfish, and rather dumb.

If you aren't empathetic, or intelligent enough to grasp the society around you, then the sad truth is just that.

Want to go to Southeast Asia on my return trip and live in rice paddies picking leaches off as you try to help the poor?

Well, South-East Asia seems to be the next China, I.E the next place to get American jobs.

We're f*cked as a species, pollution is obviously getting bad, many ethnics are being replaced before our eyes, as the upper crust have less kids, and the Third-World rises as the "Norm"

I don't like the Third-World condition, I wish we could change it, but unfortunately it seems to be a lot of their "Biological inclinations"

You can be the 1% finally. The envy of everyone and everyone can ***** about you like you do here.

My family's worth about 1.8 million, That's pretty close to top 1% in net worth.
Yet, I'm still think as a Collectivist, I worry about many who would lose their health coverage, because then we'd have senseless death of people dying in the streets of treatable disease.

Yes, I'm a Collectivist on social issues as well, our society behaves like a social organism, and is being eroded by third-World immigration being promoted by (Drum roll) Capitalist companies.

The Vietnam War was fought over your Communist utopia to triumph over Capitalism.
Communists won the war.

40 years later:

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Like it or not, life is somewhat Darwinian.

Imagine for a moment that peoples' capacity for earning money and accumulating wealth is spread along a Bell Curve, like IQ. (You don't need much imagination; it's true). The ability to earn money and accumulate wealth is associated with intelligence, diligence, talent, industriousness...and the lack of same.

When someone chooses to do no homework/studying while in school, decline to work available part-time jobs during school, drop out of high school, have children out of wedlock, engage in anti-social or criminal behavior, spend money that you don't have, etc., etc., those choices tend to result in your being poor. Can't blame ANY of that on forces outside your own control. Those are CHOICES.

Lotsa people have factors outside their control that tend to make them poor but a lot of it is bad choices and failure to do what is necessary to succeed.

Unless you're learning disabled or physically disabled there's no excuse for being poor....unless of course you're lazy.

Unless you're learning disabled or physically disabled there's no excuse for being poor.

Not even that in America, besides the word poor has to be defined.

Agreed.
The poor in America would be envied by the poor in Somalia.

Yet, Somalia is a Libertarian utopia.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Admitting one is an Individualist is a nice way of saying they're very selfish, and rather dumb.

If you aren't empathetic, or intelligent enough to grasp the society around you, then the sad truth is just that.

Want to go to Southeast Asia on my return trip and live in rice paddies picking leaches off as you try to help the poor?

Well, South-East Asia seems to be the next China, I.E the next place to get American jobs.

We're f*cked as a species, pollution is obviously getting bad, many ethnics are being replaced before our eyes, as the upper crust have less kids, and the Third-World rises as the "Norm"

I don't like the Third-World condition, I wish we could change it, but unfortunately it seems to be a lot of their "Biological inclinations"

You can be the 1% finally. The envy of everyone and everyone can ***** about you like you do here.

My family's worth about 1.8 million, That's pretty close to top 1% in net worth.
Yet, I'm still think as a Collectivist, I worry about many who would lose their health coverage, because then we'd have senseless death of people dying in the streets of treatable disease.

Yes, I'm a Collectivist on social issues as well, our society behaves like a social organism, and is being eroded by third-World immigration being promoted by (Drum roll) Capitalist companies.

The Vietnam War was fought over your Communist utopia to triumph over Capitalism.
Communists won the war.

40 years later:
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So Coca cola, and McDonald's are the fruits of Capitalist America?
Not a necessarily flattering, but more of a fattering view of America.

 

[harmonica]

links/stats/etc?
.....some people are just stupid.....they are too stupid to know what to do to not be poor
college grads earn more--plain and simple
Do College Grads Really Earn More Than High School Grads?
...single college grad mothers?
...if they start out ''wrong'''--it is hard to get ''better''' .....my relative's co-workers' cars need fixing--but they don't have the $$$$ to fix them = they can't get to work = one of them got laid off and the other had to quit =cycle not getting better but worse
...getting a loan to pay off a previous loan/etc

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

One of the things I love, is when Republicans say "Look the GDP Per Capita Income is higher in the USA than Europe"

Yeah, because of Democrat regions in the North-East, and California.

The GDP Per Capita Income of the Southern states, and Mid-Western states are about the same as Western Europe.

 

[Darkwind]

Hey! Polish boy! You back? Don't get banned! (Derp! Look who's talking)

Welcome back! Let's see one, just one of your paintings.

Maybe you're finally done with snow this year.

Even if we had a perfect system, people still wouldn't be able to make it out of poverty, without help. This is true for veterans too.

I'm definitely not going to spend a heck of a lot of time here, it's not healthy.

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Anyone who thinks poverty is a choice, must be pretty ignorant to say the very least.

Ignorant of genetics, like how people suffer from diseases like MS, Parkinsons, Down Syndrome,Alzheimers, Cystis Fibrosis, Sickle Cell, or from being maimed, or simple back, knee, or neck injuries. That doesn't even speak of Bi Polar, Schizophrenia, severe depression.

Then there's the fact, they don't understand the nature of Capitalism, in the first place. Capitalism creates winners, and losers. Capitalism leads to so many "Elite" and so many "Servants" of the elite, it will always have minimum wage jobs, no matter how smart, or educated they are.

This is how spin works.

You say that people don't choose to be poor. No one is making that argument.

However, people are poor because they make poor life choices.

Now tell Me if you understand the difference?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Hey! Polish boy! You back? Don't get banned! (Derp! Look who's talking)

Welcome back! Let's see one, just one of your paintings.

Maybe you're finally done with snow this year.

Even if we had a perfect system, people still wouldn't be able to make it out of poverty, without help. This is true for veterans too.

I'm definitely not going to spend a heck of a lot of time here, it's not healthy.

View attachment 256809

Anyone who thinks poverty is a choice, must be pretty ignorant to say the very least.

Ignorant of genetics, like how people suffer from diseases like MS, Parkinsons, Down Syndrome,Alzheimers, Cystis Fibrosis, Sickle Cell, or from being maimed, or simple back, knee, or neck injuries. That doesn't even speak of Bi Polar, Schizophrenia, severe depression.

Then there's the fact, they don't understand the nature of Capitalism, in the first place. Capitalism creates winners, and losers. Capitalism leads to so many "Elite" and so many "Servants" of the elite, it will always have minimum wage jobs, no matter how smart, or educated they are.

This is how spin works.

You say that people don't choose to be poor. No one is making that argument.

However, people are poor because they make poor life choices.

Now tell Me if you understand the difference?

links/stats/etc?
.....some people are just stupid.....they are too stupid to know what to do to not be poor
college grads earn more--plain and simple
Do College Grads Really Earn More Than High School Grads?
...single college grad mothers?
...if they start out ''wrong'''--it is hard to get ''better''' .....my relative's co-workers' cars need fixing--but they don't have the $$$$ to fix them = they can't get to work = one of them got laid off and the other had to quit =cycle not getting better but worse
...getting a loan to pay off a previous loan/etc

According to Wikipedia about 15 - 20% of the populations in the developed World suffer from disabilities, that's obviously a sizable chunk of those in poverty benefits.

Disability and poverty - Wikipedia

My guess is the USA is more on the higher end, merely because of all the maimed veterans the USA created in it's wars.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

links/stats/etc?
.....some people are just stupid.....they are too stupid to know what to do to not be poor
college grads earn more--plain and simple
Do College Grads Really Earn More Than High School Grads?
...single college grad mothers?
...if they start out ''wrong'''--it is hard to get ''better''' .....my relative's co-workers' cars need fixing--but they don't have the $$$$ to fix them = they can't get to work = one of them got laid off and the other had to quit =cycle not getting better but worse
...getting a loan to pay off a previous loan/etc

If they're not smart enough, why is their fault?

BTW, one of the smartest people I know works at WalMart as a stock boy.

 

[harmonica]

links/stats/etc?
.....some people are just stupid.....they are too stupid to know what to do to not be poor
college grads earn more--plain and simple
Do College Grads Really Earn More Than High School Grads?
...single college grad mothers?
...if they start out ''wrong'''--it is hard to get ''better''' .....my relative's co-workers' cars need fixing--but they don't have the $$$$ to fix them = they can't get to work = one of them got laid off and the other had to quit =cycle not getting better but worse
...getting a loan to pay off a previous loan/etc

If they're not smart enough, why is their fault?

BTW, one of the smartest people I know works at WalMart as a stock boy.

it's ''not their fault''--but it's not others' fault that they are poor--to a degree

I've put out a thread on how people are not equal
all men [ women ] are NOT created equal

 

[harmonica]

Hey! Polish boy! You back? Don't get banned! (Derp! Look who's talking)

Welcome back! Let's see one, just one of your paintings.

Maybe you're finally done with snow this year.

Even if we had a perfect system, people still wouldn't be able to make it out of poverty, without help. This is true for veterans too.

I'm definitely not going to spend a heck of a lot of time here, it's not healthy.

View attachment 256809

Anyone who thinks poverty is a choice, must be pretty ignorant to say the very least.

Ignorant of genetics, like how people suffer from diseases like MS, Parkinsons, Down Syndrome,Alzheimers, Cystis Fibrosis, Sickle Cell, or from being maimed, or simple back, knee, or neck injuries. That doesn't even speak of Bi Polar, Schizophrenia, severe depression.

Then there's the fact, they don't understand the nature of Capitalism, in the first place. Capitalism creates winners, and losers. Capitalism leads to so many "Elite" and so many "Servants" of the elite, it will always have minimum wage jobs, no matter how smart, or educated they are.

This is how spin works.

You say that people don't choose to be poor. No one is making that argument.

However, people are poor because they make poor life choices.

Now tell Me if you understand the difference?

links/stats/etc?
.....some people are just stupid.....they are too stupid to know what to do to not be poor
college grads earn more--plain and simple
Do College Grads Really Earn More Than High School Grads?
...single college grad mothers?
...if they start out ''wrong'''--it is hard to get ''better''' .....my relative's co-workers' cars need fixing--but they don't have the $$$$ to fix them = they can't get to work = one of them got laid off and the other had to quit =cycle not getting better but worse
...getting a loan to pay off a previous loan/etc

According to Wikipedia about 15 - 20% of the populations in the developed World suffer from disabilities, that's obviously a sizable chunk of those in poverty benefits.

Disability and poverty - Wikipedia

My guess is the USA is more on the higher end, merely because of all the maimed veterans the USA created in it's wars.

do you have stats on disabled Vets being poor? and the percentage?
my family was ''poor'' --but we were happy with food/etc
8 people in a 1 bedroom house--and a not heated/AC back porch
2 dogs/cats
...my father never graduated high school--but got a GED and worked for the government--he put us in college/etc
....I've put out stats before of how people that graduate at lower levels have GREAT jobs working for the government/auto industry/USPS/etc
....you can make it if you don't have kids BEFORE you are ready--even then--some people are just stupid
...again--some are '''born'' into a bad situation

 

[Tijn Von Ingersleben]

Corporations bust our balls with outsourcing, small businesses bust our balls with hiring illegals.

Who approves and signs treaties? Who issues corporate charters?

Yeah, because the government didn't outlaw these things hurting America, that's why!

Not only did they not 'outlaw' them...they are the creators of them. Corporations, created by government charter, designated as 'persons' by courts of law influence the politicians.
However, NONE of this would be possible without the active role of government.

Stop blaming capitalism, and free market concepts for the Dr. Frankenstein systems we not have in place.

You are wrong.

Done with this topic.