Mosque shooting in New Zealand

[M14 Shooter]

No... but you want to make "military style semi-automatics" illegal to prevent people from breaking the law.
Laws cannot prevent people from breaking other laws.

They are now effectively illegal, no 'want' about it.

Not in the slightest.

We want to reduce the number of efficient mass killing weapons in circulation. And we have.

Not in the slightest.

 

[M14 Shooter]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

 

[zaangalewa]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source. 50% of all prisoners worldwide are arrested in the USA today - I do not think this was the same in the 50ies or 60ies.

 

[zaangalewa]

2aguy

Sorry. I gave you an answer but I made something wrong so my name exists there instead of your name. The answer is at page 96.

 

[M14 Shooter]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
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2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014

I accept your apology

 

[zaangalewa]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014

I accept your apology

Why was the homicide rate much higher in the years which you did not show here? Because in the 1970ies and 80ies the number of weapon trades grew?

In the year 2017 died about 40,000 human beings in the USA because of the use of firearms. Highest number in the last 40 years. In Germany died on the same reason 900 in 2017. If you still think your nation has not any problem with weapons, then I have to say you have a problem with the reality all around you. (Here my source: Rekord im Jahr 2017: Mehr Tote durch Schusswaffen in den USA )

 

[M14 Shooter]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014
I accept your apology

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

 

[zaangalewa]

First of all: How many weapons had the citizens of the USA in 1955 or 1960? I guess much less than 200 millions, what's anyway much to much if it are in lots of cases semi-automatic and automatic weapons. What was the crime rate in the 50ies or 60ies?

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014
I accept your apology

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons, which could had saved me. Keeps the problem that in 2017 died the most US-Americans since 40 years, because of use of firearms in the USA: 40,000 people. And to see you in front of this background makes you in my eyes to a slave of an evil might.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Higher than today.

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014
I accept your apology

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons.

What's that? You -were- wrong and you -did- try to move the goalpost?
I accept your apology.

 

[zaangalewa]

I believe in nothing what you say. Give me a reliable source.

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014
I accept your apology

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons.

What's that? You -were- wrong and you -did- try to move the goalpost?
I accept your apology.

I fear the policemen, who will have to shoot you down one day, will have to use silver bullets. In case it exists really the lowest crime rate in case of homicides since ever - but the same time die much more people because of firearms since ever in the USA - why do you think this is a save situation for the people in the USA?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Because you don't want to.
1950 4.6
1951 4.4
1952 4.6
1953 4.5
1954 4.2
1955 4.1
1956 4.1
1957 4.0
1958 4.8
1959 4.9
1960 5.1
1961 4.8
1962 4.6
1963 4.6
1964 4.9
1965 5.1
1966 5.6
1967 6.2
1968 6.9
1969 7.3
-*....
2010 4.8
2011 4.7
2012 4.7
2013 4.5
2014 4.5
Homicide Rate (per 100,000), 1950–2014
I accept your apology

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons.

What's that? You -were- wrong and you -did- try to move the goalpost?
I accept your apology.

I fear the policmen, which will have to shoot you down one day, will have to use silver bullets.

I cannot help but laugh at he fact the point you wanted to make backfired on you
That's what happens when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

 

[zaangalewa]

In the 1970ies and 80ies the wepoinsd trades gerew - adn teh sme time the homivides grew, isn't it?

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons.

What's that? You -were- wrong and you -did- try to move the goalpost?
I accept your apology.

I fear the policmen, which will have to shoot you down one day, will have to use silver bullets.

I cannot help but laugh at he fact the point you wanted to make backfired on you
That's what happens when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

I do not have only a little idea about what is going on in your brain. But what you are doing is very clear: You are doing a war against the people of the USA and war against the Christian values of the western world.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Look at you - proven wrong, and now you move the goalpost.
I laugh at you. Ha.

Sure you laugh at me. You would shoot me also down laughing. And afterwards you would call me a criminal idiot, because I did not buy your weapons.

What's that? You -were- wrong and you -did- try to move the goalpost?
I accept your apology.

I fear the policmen, which will have to shoot you down one day, will have to use silver bullets.

I cannot help but laugh at he fact the point you wanted to make backfired on you
That's what happens when you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about.

I do not have only a little idea about what is going on in your brain.

Given you don't have the capacity to handle the torque, that's probably good.

 

[cnm]

We want to reduce the number of efficient mass killing weapons in circulation. And we have.

Not in the slightest.

Invincible ignorance is called that for a reason.

 

[cnm]

The law does not prevent people form committing crimes with machineguns, because it cannot prevent people from committing crimes with machineguns.

Why then are so few machine guns in circulation? By the same token, laws do not prevent all murders, but the rate of murder is lower than if there was no law penalising that crime.

 

[M14 Shooter]

We want to reduce the number of efficient mass killing weapons in circulation. And we have.

Not in the slightest.

Invincible ignorance is called that for a reason.

Yes... and the anti-gun loons have it, in spades.

 

[cnm]

You forgot to explain why so few machine guns are in circulation.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You forgot to explain why so few machine guns are in circulation.

The law does not prevent people form committing crimes with machineguns, because it cannot prevent people from committing crimes with machineguns.
Thus, the number of machineguns in circulation is irrelevant.

 

[2aguy]

You forgot to explain why so few machine guns are in circulation.

Because criminals don't need them to rape women, they don't need them to commit armed robbery and the don't need them to kill their gang rivals....notice, however, that in Mexico...where you have only one gun store in the entire country, controlled by the Mexican military, it is on a military base, the Mexican drug cartels have all the fully automatic weapons that they want. Why? Because they need them to deal with the other drug cartels as they fight for control of drug territory in the rural areas of Mexico......

If American criminals needed fully automatic weapons to conduct their business, they would have fully automatic weapons.....

 

[zaangalewa]

You forgot to explain why so few machine guns are in circulation.

Because criminals don't need them to rape women, they don't need them to commit armed robbery and the don't need them to kill their gang rivals....notice, however, that in Mexico...where you have only one gun store in the entire country, controlled by the Mexican military, it is on a military base, the Mexican drug cartels have all the fully automatic weapons that they want. Why? Because they need them to deal with the other drug cartels as they fight for control of drug territory in the rural areas of Mexico......

If American criminals needed fully automatic weapons to conduct their business, they would have fully automatic weapons.....

So the 3% of the people who own 50% of all weapons in the USA are [potential] criminal? Or are they a kind of underground army? Or are this people who have a psychiatric defect and/or very heavy psychological problems? ... And why feel so many citizens of the USA comfortable with this worrying situation and do not force their politicians to change this?