Mosque On Ground Zero. An Act Of Aggression: Yea Or Nay?

[theDoctorisIn]

Perception means nothing, it's truth is all I'm concerned with and I'm not "the left," dude, that's a crutch for Conservatives to use when they are disagreed with. I'm "just a person."

And "truth," vs. "Perception," here, is that it's not right in any way shape or form to relate these individuals to 9/11 simply because they share something in common with the terrorists: Religion. Same way it's not right to paint any Religion with a broad brush.

You can hum-deelaa about perception all day long, but I'll take truth and have a nice day.

And Libo-geek..........stfu.

Have you read any of Imam Faisel's books?

I have. And if you'd read the whole books, not just the parts taken out of context by blogs, you'd have a different idea of him.

 

[G.T.]

Perception means nothing, it's truth is all I'm concerned with and I'm not "the left," dude, that's a crutch for Conservatives to use when they are disagreed with. I'm "just a person."

And "truth," vs. "Perception," here, is that it's not right in any way shape or form to relate these individuals to 9/11 simply because they share something in common with the terrorists: Religion. Same way it's not right to paint any Religion with a broad brush.

You can hum-deelaa about perception all day long, but I'll take truth and have a nice day.

And Libo-geek..........stfu.

Have you read any of Imam Faisel's books?

No, but I've visually seen him slander terrorists pretty clearly.

 

[ConHog]

Perception means nothing, it's truth is all I'm concerned with and I'm not "the left," dude, that's a crutch for Conservatives to use when they are disagreed with. I'm "just a person."

And "truth," vs. "Perception," here, is that it's not right in any way shape or form to relate these individuals to 9/11 simply because they share something in common with the terrorists: Religion. Same way it's not right to paint any Religion with a broad brush.

You can hum-deelaa about perception all day long, but I'll take truth and have a nice day.

And Libo-geek..........stfu.

Have you read any of Imam Faisel's books?

No, but I've visually seen him slander terrorists pretty clearly.

I'd suggest you read some of his writings before you go pontificating about what he stands for. Particularly the ones written for Muslim audiences.

 

[G.T.]

Have you read any of Imam Faisel's books?

No, but I've visually seen him slander terrorists pretty clearly.

I'd suggest you read some of his writings before you go pontificating about what he stands for. Particularly the ones written for Muslim audiences.

He's a member of an organization which creates videos denouncing terrorism. What do you do to denounce it? Post on message boards and argue?

 

[ConHog]

Perception means nothing, it's truth is all I'm concerned with and I'm not "the left," dude, that's a crutch for Conservatives to use when they are disagreed with. I'm "just a person."

And "truth," vs. "Perception," here, is that it's not right in any way shape or form to relate these individuals to 9/11 simply because they share something in common with the terrorists: Religion. Same way it's not right to paint any Religion with a broad brush.

You can hum-deelaa about perception all day long, but I'll take truth and have a nice day.

And Libo-geek..........stfu.

Have you read any of Imam Faisel's books?

I have. And if you'd read the whole books, not just the parts taken out of context by blogs, you'd have a different idea of him.

I have read the books.

So , you're ok with his wanting to have a separate system of justice under Sharia law for Muslims in America?

 

[jillian]

Many on this thread have gotten caught up in the legalities and ownership issues. Obviously they own the property and it would be perfectly legal for them to build their Mosque on their own property. Who argued otherwise? Some may have argued that Eminent Domain could or should be used in this case but i don't support that. All that being said,i still think it's wrong to build it there. I think it would be a wonderful gesture for these owners to build their Mosque somewhere else. Millions of Americans would rejoice over such a wise & compassionate decision. I guess we'll see how it all ends up. Time will tell.

actually, i think i said, they had every legal right to build it, but it seemed very insensitive, especially for a group that says it wants to build bridges...

seemed very counter-productive.

but it isn't an act of aggression.

Yes you did say that, but you are one of the few on the left who have. See the difference here? a few loons on the right want to outlaw the muslims or at the very least this mosque, while most agree with you, they have the right but it's insensitive, while on the left, MANY loons are screaming that they by god have the right and damn right it would be great if they built it and you and maybe one or two other lefties are in agreement that its insensitive.

Jillian, would think make you a loony leftie in this situation for going against the herd? Could we nudge just a little bit and convert you to being conservative?

lol... probably not.

gay marriage
reproductive choice
foreign policy.. (somewhere in between left and right)
economic theory
estate taxes
education
regulation
environment (conservationist)
respect for constitutional construction

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Perception means nothing, it's truth is all I'm concerned with and I'm not "the left," dude, that's a crutch for Conservatives to use when they are disagreed with. I'm "just a person."

And "truth," vs. "Perception," here, is that it's not right in any way shape or form to relate these individuals to 9/11 simply because they share something in common with the terrorists: Religion. Same way it's not right to paint any Religion with a broad brush.

You can hum-deelaa about perception all day long, but I'll take truth and have a nice day.

And Libo-geek..........stfu.

Who claimed they had anything to do with 911? Please enlighten us. See,that's why i said earlier that you talk a lot but you don't say anything. You're just making chit up as you go. Maybe you should talk less and think more. I haven't seen anyone on this thread argue that they had anything to with 911. Now answer the question...Are you drunk or something? lol! Why don't you just call everyone a RAAAAAACEEEEEESST and call it a day. That seems to be all you can offer to any discussion. You really are a One Trick Pony in the end. Get some new material for God's sake. You're killin us.

 

[G.T.]

It's a good Convo., ConHog, glad we could be agreeable in our disagreement. Time for din-din with the wifey, man!!

Have a nice night.

And for the record, I OBVIOUSLY see how it can be construed as insensitive, but those construing it that way are painting Muslims with a broad brush because not all Muslims are Terrorists. That ain't right, to me, but hey. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone's got one.

 

[ConHog]

actually, i think i said, they had every legal right to build it, but it seemed very insensitive, especially for a group that says it wants to build bridges...

seemed very counter-productive.

but it isn't an act of aggression.

Yes you did say that, but you are one of the few on the left who have. See the difference here? a few loons on the right want to outlaw the muslims or at the very least this mosque, while most agree with you, they have the right but it's insensitive, while on the left, MANY loons are screaming that they by god have the right and damn right it would be great if they built it and you and maybe one or two other lefties are in agreement that its insensitive.

Jillian, would think make you a loony leftie in this situation for going against the herd? Could we nudge just a little bit and convert you to being conservative?

lol... probably not.

gay marriage
reproductive choice
foreign policy.. (somewhere in between left and right)
economic theory
estate taxes
education
regulation
environment (conservationist)
respect for constitutional construction

Hmmm how odd, I think I could turn you straight.

gay marriage - State out of marriage, state can't discriminate on marraiages ordained by a church

reproductive choice - use common sense , abortions are part of life. allow them within safe medical guidelines, no government funded abortions

foreign policy - mind our own business, **** up anyone who ***** with us, hire our military out to nations who wish to have our protection, no more us paying for the protection of S Korea for instance

Economic theory - free enterprise with a few common sense government regulations

estate taxes - get rid of em

education - disband the DoE and leave education to the states

environment - Let's not go crazy and protect animals and plants at the expense of humans, but there is no reason to destroy and kill needlessly either.

I love the COTUS and am not an advocate of judicial activism but realize there is a very fine line between interpreting the COTUS and manipulating the COTUS to reach a desired result. I actually absolutely hate the idea of one judge hearing ANY case that involves the COTUS. IT should be at minimum THREE for any constitutional question.

 

[ConHog]

It's a good Convo., ConHog, glad we could be agreeable in our disagreement. Time for din-din with the wifey, man!!

Have a nice night.

And for the record, I OBVIOUSLY see how it can be construed as insensitive, but those construing it that way are painting Muslims with a broad brush because not all Muslims are Terrorists. That ain't right, to me, but hey. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone's got one.

Good conversation. ANd props for admitting that you see that it is insensitive whether these Muslims were involved or not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

One, Cordoba House is not a mosque. Two, it's not being built at Ground Zero.

three) too bad the muslims of NYC can't relate to the families of the victims and ask that it be built way far away from ground zero, but I know that's just too much to ask. innit? the sad truth is a group of muslims boarded 4 jet aeroplanes on Sept. 11th 2001 and two of them flew into the world trade center and killed about 3000 people, the other one flew into the Pentago killing more, god only knows where the fourth would have landed except for the brave Americans who said "let's roll." and that's the truth of the matter and no matter how much you insensitive libturds are millions upon millions of Americans can still remember that day and think that mosque should be built elsewhere and that's the way it is. sensitivity is a two way street.

Islam didn't kill those people on 9/11, any more than Christianity blew up those Iraqi women and children during shock and awe,

amid the cheers of you warmongering bloodthirsty ghouls.

 

[ConHog]

One, Cordoba House is not a mosque. Two, it's not being built at Ground Zero.

three) too bad the muslims of NYC can't relate to the families of the victims and ask that it be built way far away from ground zero, but I know that's just too much to ask. innit? the sad truth is a group of muslims boarded 4 jet aeroplanes on Sept. 11th 2001 and two of them flew into the world trade center and killed about 3000 people, the other one flew into the Pentago killing more, god only knows where the fourth would have landed except for the brave Americans who said "let's roll." and that's the truth of the matter and no matter how much you insensitive libturds are millions upon millions of Americans can still remember that day and think that mosque should be built elsewhere and that's the way it is. sensitivity is a two way street.

Islam didn't kill those people on 9/11, any more than Christianity blew up those Iraqi women and children during shock and awe,

amid the cheers of you warmongering bloodthirsty ghouls.

Can you post a vdieo, or audio, or written testimony of any Americans who cheered over the deaths of women and children in Iraq?

If not, you fail. Again.

 

[NYcarbineer]

three) too bad the muslims of NYC can't relate to the families of the victims and ask that it be built way far away from ground zero, but I know that's just too much to ask. innit? the sad truth is a group of muslims boarded 4 jet aeroplanes on Sept. 11th 2001 and two of them flew into the world trade center and killed about 3000 people, the other one flew into the Pentago killing more, god only knows where the fourth would have landed except for the brave Americans who said "let's roll." and that's the truth of the matter and no matter how much you insensitive libturds are millions upon millions of Americans can still remember that day and think that mosque should be built elsewhere and that's the way it is. sensitivity is a two way street.

Islam didn't kill those people on 9/11, any more than Christianity blew up those Iraqi women and children during shock and awe,

amid the cheers of you warmongering bloodthirsty ghouls.

Can you post a vdieo, or audio, or written testimony of any Americans who cheered over the deaths of women and children in Iraq?

If not, you fail. Again.

I could if the archives of some forums were around from 2003.

But, oh, you're right, I forgot, the revised version of Conservatopian history is that no conservatives supported the Iraq war.

 

[ConHog]

Islam didn't kill those people on 9/11, any more than Christianity blew up those Iraqi women and children during shock and awe,

amid the cheers of you warmongering bloodthirsty ghouls.

Can you post a vdieo, or audio, or written testimony of any Americans who cheered over the deaths of women and children in Iraq?

If not, you fail. Again.

I could if the archives of some forums were around from 2003.

But, oh, you're right, I forgot, the revised version of Conservatopian history is that no conservatives supported the Iraq war.

I did not say anything about supporting the war. DO try to be honest here. You contended that some Americans cheered the deaths of women and children, the onus is on you to prove your point. I can surely show you video of Muslims cheering the killing of completely innocent people on 9/11/2001.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTYoV-_GlNs]YouTube - ‪Palestinians Celebrate 9/11 Attacks‬‎[/ame]

 

[geauxtohell]

there is no legal right to menace someone with a gun. in fact, there are laws against it.

there IS a legal right for someone to build on their own property... and no one can interfere with them using it for religious purpose. i also think the same people who are taking the position that we should somehow stop this would be losing their collective minds if someone even suggested that a church not be built on church-owned land.

that said, i do think it's insensitive. but last i checked, there's no law against being insensitive.

HAHHAhHAhA I was waiting for someone to bring that up.

Thanks to our DoJ ruling that beating a baton against your hand is not threatening with a weapon. I believe I can safely brandish my weapon and intimidate you without pointing it at you or making verbal threats while at the same time getting my point across. Not illegal, because you can't be arrested for thought, well not yet anyway, but still using my constitutional right in a menacing manner.

The DoJ does not define laws...statutes do....and Courts interpret statutes.

The DoJ exercises prosecutorial discretion... kind of not prosecuting for outing a CIA agent.

sorry... the effort to be spiteful fails.

On the topic of guns and batons.

Someone clearly brought a baton to this intellectual gunfight.

 

[Jarhead]

Per the constitution, the Mosque has a right to be there.
However:
WHereas it was not the Muslim religion that was responsible for the attacks, it was a sect of people that are of that religion that applied their own interpretation of the religion that committed the act...using their interpretation of the religion to justify it.

That being said, the Muslim community in America should show they are Americans by understanding the pain this is causing many people and build their Mosque elsewhere.

The Muslim community has choices of where to build the Mosque.

Those that suffered the loss of life were not given the choice where to die.

If they are Americans, they should act like Americans and show some compassion.

 

[geauxtohell]

Sometimes intolerance is a good thing. I know this notion isn't PC enough for many but it is true. We are by far the most tolerant & compassionate nation on this Planet. This just can't be disputed. However i am intolerant of this large Mosque being built in this location. I don't care about being labelled a "Bigot" or "Islamophobe" by the usual suspects. Sometimes intolerance is right & just. This is one of those times in my opinion.

This has nothing to do with "tolerance" and everything to do with the laws of our land as secured by the constitution, which you claim to be a defender of.

Few if any are tolerant of the Westboro Baptist Church's vile filled protests. Only a moron would deny that they are given the right to be bigots by the first amendment.

The irony of behind someone who claims to be a strict constitutionalist while also calling the exercise of the right to assemble and worship an "act of aggression" is just about as delicious as an fundamental evangelical minister getting busted smoking meth with a male prostitute.

You don't support the constitution. You just support your myopic view of the constitution.

 

[geauxtohell]

You are simply wrong. stupid and very wrong. I dare you to pull up a thread when kelo v new london was decided, you silly ******* partisan.



talk about loss of credibility, fool...

Sorry,still gotta call BULL CHIT on you guys. Liberal nutters like you were on this very board applauding Ginsberg on her deciding vote which ruled Eminent Domain to be legal & Constitutional. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOOSH was in there so? Now you same Liberals suddenly have a different view of Eminent Domain huh? Gee i wonder why you guys have changed your minds? Could it be that Da BOOOOOOOOSH is gone and now your guy is in there? Hmm?

you can cry bullshit all you want, but I know for a goddamn fact what my posted replies were to Kelo v New London. Now, you can point your finger at whomever you want... but, without a valid point all you are doing is showing how ******* stupid you are.

So, quote me. Dig up ANY thread about that decision and bask in the glory of being a stupid jack ass.




I DARE you. (but we both know you are too much of a giant, beef curtain vagina to back up your accusation.,...)

This will be ignored just as LN ignores all posts that call him on his bullshit.

 

[geauxtohell]

Many on this thread have gotten caught up in the legalities and ownership issues. Obviously they own the property and it would be perfectly legal for them to build their Mosque on their own property. Who argued otherwise? Some may have argued that Eminent Domain could or should be used in this case but i don't support that. All that being said,i still think it's wrong to build it there. I think it would be a wonderful gesture for these owners to build their Mosque somewhere else. Millions of Americans would rejoice over such a wise & compassionate decision. I guess we'll see how it all ends up. Time will tell.

Well it's about time you cleared that up. So, for the record, you wholly support their right to build a mosque on their own property, despite the fact that you don't agree with their decision to do so?

I think that's a BS smokescreen that LN is trying to pop upon realizing how stupid his point is.

Why would he call it an "act of aggression" if he acknowledges it's a legal act? Act of aggression upon whom and what is the recourse?

 

[geauxtohell]

You are a disgusting human being. You show hatred towards Christians then ***** when people "hate" Muslims.

Hypocrite much?

FOAD

I'm not the one advocating a ban on christian buildings, you ******* chode. You are the one demanding the gov swoop in, ironically, and save the day by banning muslims from enjoying their Constitutional rights. When you can stop being so ******* ironic then maybe, MAYBE you'll have a reason to feel like a victim. Today is not that day, it seems.

Do you know what common sense is? Or common decency? Or respect for those who have perished at the hands of evil, disgusting, murdering pigs?

Common sense allows the government to make laws or decisions for the common good. yes many times the government is out of line. I am against too much government, against big government, and against over regulation. BUT, ground zero is a sacred spot now. Have you been there? The emotion is palpable. Allowing a mosque to be built next to or near ground zero is a slap in the face of the victims and their families, as well as America.

You are against "too much government" except when you aren't.

Like on this issue.