More Strong Evidence for Evolution: Anatomical Vestiges

[RetiredGySgt]

Compelling evidence of common origin, all on its own. Then add.in the other stuff we know (unlike these goofy comments -- which address genetics in a vacuum -- scientists from different fields actually communicate and share knowledge, and all the evidence is mutually supportive)...

.. and evolution easily becomes clear as a fact. Deny it all you like, just stay away from a science classroom. So you don't get laughed out of the room.

there is no evidence of one species evolving into 2 or more entirely different species. And as I have pointed out there is no direct connection for man going back past several hundred thousand years.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

here is no evidence of one species evolving into 2 or more entirely different species.

That's a lie. We will get to that later. Back to transitional fossils.

You demanded a list, because you were too lazy to look for yourself. In a courtesy you did not deserve, someone provided a list for you.

Now, correct and modify your earlier, incorrect comments to account for this list. Like an adult.

Then we can address the lane change lie you just posted.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's a lie. We will get to that later. Back to transitional fossils.

You demanded a list, because you were too lazy to look for yourself. In a courtesy you did not deserve, someone provided a list for you.

Now, correct and modify your earlier, incorrect comments to account for this list. Like an adult.

Then we can address the lane change lie you just posted.

Sorry just because a list was provided does not mean it covers what I asked for I was being polite because an attempt was made. Like all supposed evolutionary "science" it is full pf holes and HUGE fucking guesses and assumptions.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sorry just because a list was provided does not mean it covers what I asked for I was being polite because an attempt was made. Like all supposed evolutionary "science" it is full pf holes and HUGE fucking guesses and assumptions.

Then name some. Argue why they are so. That's how this works.

Face it, you didn't open a single one of those links and have no idea what you are talking about. You are just vomiting the first gainsaying, baby tantrum that comes to mind. It's pretty obvious. So this is a faceplant by you. The most robust scientific theory in history remains unshaken.

Now, for your demand of evidence:

Give us an example or two of what such evidence might look like. Be as specific as a person who knows nothing about evolution or any related topic can.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Then name some. Argue why they are so. That's how this works.

Face it, you didn't open a single one of those links and have no idea what you are talking about. You are just vomiting the first gainsaying, baby tantrum that comes to mind. It's pretty obvious. So this is a faceplant by you. The most robust scientific theory in history remains unshaken.

Now, for your demand of evidence:

Give us an example or two of what such evidence might look like. Be as specific as a person who knows nothing about evolution or any related topic can.

be specific and cite for us any actual species of mammal that evolved into 2 different species with actual evidence to back it up.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

be specific and cite for us any actual species of mammal that evolved into 2 different species with actual evidence to back it up.

Nope. First show us you would even know evidence if you saw it. Give us an example or two of what such evidence would look like. So we know you aren't wasting our time.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Nope. First show us you would even know evidence if you saw it. Give us an example or two of what such evidence would look like. So we know you aren't wasting our time.

Ya I didnt think so I am right and you know it or you would trot out the evidence.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Ya I didnt think so I am right and you know it or you would trot out the evidence.

That is some very embarrassing illogic. If you see a dog that has never bitten you, do you then assume it never can bite you? Of course not. If you employed this idiot troll illogic at all times, you would be functionally retarded.

So, back to exposing your childish game:

Name an example of what evidence of speciation would look like.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That is some very embarrassing illogic. If you see a dog that has never bitten you, do you then assume it never can bite you? Of course not. If you employed this idiot troll illogic at all times, you would be functionally retarded.

So, back to exposing your childish game:

Name an example of what evidence of speciation would look like.

LOL Moron alert, you make a claim you support it. I am dome responding to your moronic drivel.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

LOL Moron alert, you make a claim you support it. I am dome responding to your moronic drivel.

That's not going to help you. Obviously, given that the global scientific community is convinced, any trained monkey could produce some of the mountains of evidence that has convinced them.

An easy way to separate the frauds from honest, rational people is the question I asked you.

And it works every time, just as it just did with you. Every time.

Any High schooler with a modest education in biology could easily answer the question I asked you.

But you couldn't answer it if your life depended on it. Chiefly because you know nothing about evolution, but second because you instinctively know that any example you give will result in you beng buried in a mountain of such examples. Ad then you would look pretty stupid.

Thanks for being my assistant in this demonstration.

By the way, that's the third time you have done so.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That's not going to help you. Obviously, given that the global scientific community is convinced, any trained monkey could produce some of the mountains of evidence that has convinced them.

An easy way to separate the frauds from honest, rational people is the question I asked you.

And it works every time, just as it just did with you. Every time.

Any High schooler with a modest education in biology could easily answer the question I asked you.

But you couldn't answer it if your life depended on it. Chiefly because you know nothing about evolution, but second because you instinctively know that any example you give will result in you beng buried in a mountain of such examples. Ad then you would look pretty stupid.

Thanks for being my assistant in this demonstration.

By the way, that's the third time you have done so.

You couldn't explain your way out of a wet paper bag.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You couldn't explain your way out of a wet paper bag.

You don't actually believe that, you are just having tantrums, because you know you've been outed.

 

[abu afak]

No one had brought up a biggie.
Stands out like sore Wisdom teeth.

Another Evidence of Evolution.
Just part of an Overwhelming body of such.
One rarely mentioned but very telling.
Life can be traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An 'immaculate creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

Heavily Edited incl Numerous illustrations within as well as references deleted for brevity.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges


Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]

How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
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[Woodznutz]

No one had brought up a biggie.
Stands out like sore Wisdom teeth.

Another Evidence of Evolution.
Just part of an Overwhelming body of such.
One rarely mentioned but very telling.
Life can be traced to a continuum, with many creatures, including us, having anatomical vestiges of our evolutionary ancestors.
An 'immaculate creation' event wouldn't leave useless organs/etc.

Heavily Edited incl Numerous illustrations within as well as references deleted for brevity.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: Part 2
Douglas Theobald, Ph.D.
Prediction 2.1: Anatomical vestiges


Some of the most renowned Evidence for evolution are the various nonfunctional or rudimentary vestigial characters, Both Anatomical and Molecular, that are found throughout biology. A vestige is defined, independently of evolutionary theory, as a reduced and rudimentary structure compared to the same complex structure in other organisms. Vestigial characters, if functional, perform relatively simple, minor, or inessential functions using structures that were clearly designed for other complex purposes. Though many vestigial organs have no function, complete non-functionality is not a requirement for vestigiality...
[.......]
Geoffroy was at a loss for why exactly nature "always leaves vestiges of an organ", yet he could not deny his empirical observations. Ten years later, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck (1744-1829) identified several vestigial structures in his Zoological Philosophy
[.......]...these "Hypocritical" structures profess something that they do Not do—they clearly appear designed for a certain function which they do Not perform. However, Common Descent provides a scientific explanation for these peculiar structures. Existing species have different structures and perform different functions. If all living organisms descended from a common ancestor, then both functions and structures necessarily have been gained and lost in each lineage during macroevolutionary history. Therefore, from Common Descent and the constraint of gradualism, we predict that many organisms should retain vestigial structures as structural remnants of lost functions. Note that the exact evolutionary mechanism which created a vestigial structure is irrelevant as long as the mechanism is a gradual one.

Confirmation:
There are Many examples of rudimentary and Nonfunctional vestigial characters carried by organisms, and these can very often be explained in terms of evolutionary histories. For example, from independent phylogenetic evidence, snakes are known to be the descendants of four-legged reptiles. Most Pythons (which are legless snakes) carry Vestigial Pelvises hidden beneath their skin.. The Vestigial pelvis in Pythons is Not attached to vertebrae (as is the normal case in most vertebrates), and it simply floats in the abdominal cavity. Some lizards carry rudimentary, Vestigial Legs underneath their skin, undetectable from the outside...
Many cave dwelling animals, such as the fish Astyanax mexicanus (the Mexican tetra) and the salamander species Typhlotriton spelaeus and Proteus anguinus, are blind yet have rudimentary, Vestigial eyes....
[.......]
The ancestors of Humans are known to have been herbivorous, and molar teeth are required for chewing and grinding plant material. Over 90% of all adult humans develop third molars (otherwise known as Wisdom Teeth).
Usually these teeth never erupt from the gums, and in one Third of all individuals they are Malformed and Impacted [*]. These Useless teeth can cause significant pain, increased risk for injury, and may result in illness and even death [*]

Another Vestige of our herbivorous ancestry is the vermiform appendix. While this intestinal structure may retain a function of some sort, perhaps in the development of the immune system, it is a rudimentary version of the much larger caecum that is essential for digestion of plants in other mammals..."

Yet another human Vestigial structure is the coccyx, the four fused caudal vertebrae found at the base of the spine, exactly where most mammals and many other primates have external Tails protruding from the back. Humans and other apes are some of the only vertebrates that lack an external tail as an adult. The coccyx is a developmental Remnant of the embryonic tail that forms in humans and then is degraded and eaten by our immune system ... Our internal tail is UNnecessary for sitting, walking, and elimination (all of which are functions attributed to the coccyx by many anti-evolutionists). The caudal vertebrae of the coccyx can cause extreme and unnecessary chronic pain in some unfortunate people, a condition called coccydynia. The entire coccyx can be surgically removed without any ill effects (besides surgical complications)...""
[.......]

How many Millions of H sapiens and immediate predecessors, suffered and died from Wisdom Teeth impaction/infection?.
Were it not for Modern dentistry in the last 100 years (yes, even after Jesus), humans who had these impacted/infected Wisdom teeth (most) would have slowly died out and the specie would have been gradually purged/adapted/Evolved eventually as in all traits of all animals.
Everything that ever lived was, and is, 'intermediate' and constantly Evolving.
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My wisdom teeth are fine, although I did have one crowned.

 

[abu afak]

My wisdom teeth are fine, although I did have one crowned.

They never want to tackle this one. This is really hard evidence and inter-species... these fading vestiges throughout the animal wold. Land, sea, and air.

 

[ding]

^necro man

 

[Woodznutz]

They never want to tackle this one. This is really hard evidence and inter-species... these fading vestiges throughout the animal wold. Land, sea, and air.

People with good genes and a good childhood diet rarely have problems with wisdom teeth.

 

[abu afak]

You'll notice Sherlock Holmes didn't touch this meaty piece of evidence of Evo.
Instead he posts a ridicKulous two skeletons hoping people would make errors as to their origin/relationship.
An idiot's riddle.

He's always playing Dishonest little semantic games, but never refuting (or even casting any serious doubt) on Evo. Nor showing any evidence for a Deity.

Empty POS with irrelevant philosophical and semantic games.
This thread is tangible MEAT/Evidence and he wants no part of it.

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[scruffy]

You'll notice Sherlock Holmes didn't touch this meaty piece of evidence of Evo.
Instead he posts a ridicKulous two skeletons hoping people would make errors as to their origin/relationship.
An idiot's riddle.

He's a creationist troll.

He's always playing Dishonest little semantic games, but never refuting (or even casting any serious doubt) on Evo. Nor showing any evidence for a Deity.

That's because he's a tinkerer and not a scientist.

Scientists have open minds. He doesn't.

Empty POS with irrelevant philosophical and semantic games.
This thread is tangible MEAT/Evidence and he wants no part of it.

Physics says "all possible paths". That's fundamental to the quantum theory. Therefore vestiges are "expected", it would be very surprising if they didn't exist.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

He's a creationist troll.



That's because he's a tinkerer and not a scientist.

Scientists have open minds. He doesn't.



Physics says "all possible paths". That's fundamental to the quantum theory. Therefore vestiges are "expected", it would be very surprising if they didn't exist.

claiming science is based on consensus is so open minded,