There is so many reasons for renewable energy besides climate charge that we could argue for them without talking about climate charge.
-No need to pulling shit out of ground,
-No need to truck it in, build pipelines or rail-outs
=Just power from solar, hydro, wind and wave to grid.
Why do you put hydro in there?
Every country that has suitable rivers is already doing that !
So let`s move on to wind and solar,
"Just power from solar,wind and wave to grid"
when are you or PMZ going to tell us
how that could be done ?
How many more times does one have to explain it to you what it takes for a grid tied generator to crank out 60 Hertz on 3 phases in sync and at the same Voltage as the grid it is tied into ?
...and keep doing so while the grid demand suddenly spikes up.
If it ramps down that`s not a problem for wind and solar, it`s when a large load comes on line.
Have you any idea at all how much more power a single 20 hp 3 phase motor draws when you turn it on ?
How many spot welders do you think does it take run an electric Tesla car body assembly line.
Every time a spot welder makes contact it`s a huge inductive load spike and each welder does that every few seconds.
In a conventional power plant the control system compensates for these load spikes by ramping up the exciter coil voltage .
At the instance that happens that demands more torque from the turbine that drives the generator. In a hydro driven generator the torque is adjusted by modulating the "wicked gates".
and in steam powered turbines it`s done pretty well the same way.
In either case the wicket gate actuator mechanism must be
fast enough to be able to respond
else the generator itself becomes a huge load on the grid if it`s rpm or it`s output voltage drop...then the grid drives it as if it were a huge 3 phase motor...and you get a
catastrophic cascading failure that will have a domino effect
on whatever else is trying to power up the grid.
Our power plants can handle that 24 hours/day and every day all year long because this turbine configuration has a very very
wide operating envelope:
So, load demand changes like this aren`t a problem:
Because for each turbine you have a
constant pressure to drive it, either with high pressure steam or with hydro the
pen stock pressure..which you can also control:
So now it`s your turn
Tell me how you would do it to as you say
Just power from solar,( hydro), wind and wave to grid.
Just
(???) how do you do that when you have
no control over the wind speed and direction?
This it what it takes to do it, and even you should know it by now because I posted it now ~ 2 dozen times:
It takes
another conventional turbine to tie a wind turbine to the grid.
There is no "just".
Do you guys think we do that just for the fun of it ?
Shit, what`s the matter with you guys?
You don`t even bother to read any of the "renewable energy" blogs that enviro-activist bloggers who have a technical understanding post on the internet:
WORLD OF PURE ENERGY: Energy Storage and Solar Power *
Types of demand response
However, just as solar output fluctuates, so does demand from power consumers – not only from day to day and from week to week, but within 24-hour cycles and smaller increments. Grid operators currently have multiple ways of meeting this demand – from turning on and off large coal, nuclear and natural gas plants, to increasing and decreasing rates of generation within plants, to releasing power stored in pumped hydroelectric units and using capacitors to meet instantaneous demand spikes. The type of response naturally varies according to the type of demand. The most difficult and expensive changes to meet are the rapid, short-term fluctuations in energy demand, known as “regulation” demand.
- See more at:
WORLD OF PURE ENERGY: Energy Storage and Solar Power *
Until recently, the ramping up and down of natural gas units, some of which are only turned on when needed, has been used in many places to meet variations in demand. Many of these reserve units are kept operational, as
“spinning reserves”. As a result, many nations, including the United States, have not invested
heavily in energy storage.
There is no "just tie it to the grid"
You got 2 choices.
1.) do it cheaper with "spinning reserves"...that`s a coal, gas, hydro or nuclear power plant
or
2.) with a large number of pumped storage hydro electric power plants for each wind turbine power plant
That`s the way Germany has done it, it has "
invested heavily in energy storage."
And the investment is so "heavy" but far from what it takes to be operational, that they now opted to back to "spinning" reserves,
which are coal fired power plants.
So one more time
Tell us
how you can "
just tie it to the grid" and
until you do just shut up repeating over and over again that "we" should "just" do it.
I know, none of you idiots can !,
the only thing that you guys can do and
always have done so far, is responding with the usual evasive troll crap remarks.
