more hope and change: obama fights to keep guest logs secret

[Conservative]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Ever notice that you never see Bush and Obama in the same place at the same time? kinda like Michael and Latoya...

 

[Liability]

Yet another example of why I consider Obama a third Bush term.

Strange though how the partisan ones only whine when the other side uses their tricks.
and defend it when it is their own side doing it.

That is strange indeed.

There IS a case that can be made, a valid one, that Vice President Cheney was right in worrying about the effect on such advisers if they have to have their very appearance at a meeting or conference disseminated. They ARE likely to then be very guarded in what they say or suggest. This COULD be said to undermine the free flow of ideas that the Administration might very well need.

On the other hand, there are some potentially valid objections to it, also. Secrecy can lead to a lot of undesirable consequences, too.

But the thing is: if it was objectionable when V.P. Cheney tried it, then shouldn't it be just as objectionable when this President resorts to it?

Of course. If you are comparing apple and apples. Policy matters, on energy, on health care and all matters which impact the entire nation deserve to be vetted with nearly complete transparency. Who, what, where and when need to be answered; why and how, as you point out, not so much as there are practicle reasons to hold these questions close to the vest.

V.P. Cheney's point was that even revealing WHO attended a particular meeting would reveal the identity of the advisers and this could result in a chilling effect (especially considering how the left and the media -- which is the same thing) were so bent on vilifying the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Thus, it was deemed both unnecessary and unwise to reveal the WHO. If the goal is to get the President and Vice President the full, unvarnished and unconstrained actual advice of such advisers, we wouldn't WANT for there to be in impediments to them getting such advice. But, the left objected.

For the sake of consistency, then, the left SHOULD now be objecting to concealment of WHO is giving advice to the President, NOW.

YOUR position seems a little undecided now that you are busy putting all the modifiers on what you'd previously said.

 

[The T]

That is strange indeed.

There IS a case that can be made, a valid one, that Vice President Cheney was right in worrying about the effect on such advisers if they have to have their very appearance at a meeting or conference disseminated. They ARE likely to then be very guarded in what they say or suggest. This COULD be said to undermine the free flow of ideas that the Administration might very well need.

On the other hand, there are some potentially valid objections to it, also. Secrecy can lead to a lot of undesirable consequences, too.

But the thing is: if it was objectionable when V.P. Cheney tried it, then shouldn't it be just as objectionable when this President resorts to it?

Of course. If you are comparing apple and apples. Policy matters, on energy, on health care and all matters which impact the entire nation deserve to be vetted with nearly complete transparency. Who, what, where and when need to be answered; why and how, as you point out, not so much as there are practicle reasons to hold these questions close to the vest.

V.P. Cheney's point was that even revealing WHO attended a particular meeting would reveal the identity of the advisers and this could result in a chilling effect (especially considering how the left and the media -- which is the same thing) were so bent on vilifying the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Thus, it was deemed both unnecessary and unwise to reveal the WHO. If the goal is to get the President and Vice President the full, unvarnished and unconstrained actual advice of such advisers, we wouldn't WANT for there to be in impediments to them getting such advice. But, the left objected.

For the sake of consistency, then, the left SHOULD now be objecting to concealment of WHO is giving advice to the President, NOW.

YOUR position seems a little undecided now that you are busy putting all the modifiers on what you'd previously said.

And it's entertaining to watch.

 

[Liability]

Of course. If you are comparing apple and apples. Policy matters, on energy, on health care and all matters which impact the entire nation deserve to be vetted with nearly complete transparency. Who, what, where and when need to be answered; why and how, as you point out, not so much as there are practicle reasons to hold these questions close to the vest.

V.P. Cheney's point was that even revealing WHO attended a particular meeting would reveal the identity of the advisers and this could result in a chilling effect (especially considering how the left and the media -- which is the same thing) were so bent on vilifying the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Thus, it was deemed both unnecessary and unwise to reveal the WHO. If the goal is to get the President and Vice President the full, unvarnished and unconstrained actual advice of such advisers, we wouldn't WANT for there to be in impediments to them getting such advice. But, the left objected.

For the sake of consistency, then, the left SHOULD now be objecting to concealment of WHO is giving advice to the President, NOW.

YOUR position seems a little undecided now that you are busy putting all the modifiers on what you'd previously said.

And it's entertaining to watch.

It could be entertaining to watch the contortionist routine.

But maybe he's just writing less than clearly.

Perhaps he will grace us with a simple declarative statement clarifying his position and intent.

 

[Intense]

More proof obamaturd lied to get in office but is the same old bull.

"Inconsistencies of opinion, arising from changes of circumstances, are often justifiable."

Anyone who has been promoted, and by that I mean became a supervisor, manager or agency/business chief knows that the perspective one has on advancement changes.

And that is supposed to excuse Outspoken Temper Tantrums?

 

[Intense]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Ever notice that you never see Bush and Obama in the same place at the same time? kinda like Michael and Latoya...

They are related, right?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I defended the policy under bush, therefore I must agree that it is good policy under Obama.

 

[Liability]

It seems to me that a liberal who opposed the policy under V.P. Cheney ought to be just as willing to oppose it under the current President on the same basis and for the same reasons.

To the extent that I supported the Vice President Cheney position, I cannot justify opposing it under the Obama Administration.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

I agree, records unless necessary for national security should be open for inspection. I still wonder what and who decided our energy policy under Bush/Cheney, and what that policy was/is?

i don't know, but i certainly recognize a weak attempt at deflection when i see one.



i still wonder who convinced kennedy to go forward with the bay of pigs.

It seems that Kennedy was a big fan of Ian Flemming, which caused much damage to US policies all over the world. Not only in Cuba, but also in Dominca and Viet Nam.

 

[The T]

V.P. Cheney's point was that even revealing WHO attended a particular meeting would reveal the identity of the advisers and this could result in a chilling effect (especially considering how the left and the media -- which is the same thing) were so bent on vilifying the Bush/Cheney Administration.

Thus, it was deemed both unnecessary and unwise to reveal the WHO. If the goal is to get the President and Vice President the full, unvarnished and unconstrained actual advice of such advisers, we wouldn't WANT for there to be in impediments to them getting such advice. But, the left objected.

For the sake of consistency, then, the left SHOULD now be objecting to concealment of WHO is giving advice to the President, NOW.

YOUR position seems a little undecided now that you are busy putting all the modifiers on what you'd previously said.

And it's entertaining to watch.

It could be entertaining to watch the contortionist routine.

But maybe he's just writing less than clearly.

Perhaps he will grace us with a simple declarative statement clarifying his position and intent.

Good luck with that. Statists operate in stealth mode until they attack.

 

[syrenn]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

Ever notice that you never see Bush and Obama in the same place at the same time? kinda like Michael and Latoya...

They are related, right?

Oh my eyes! I should neg you for that!!!

 

[The T]

I agree, records unless necessary for national security should be open for inspection. I still wonder what and who decided our energy policy under Bush/Cheney, and what that policy was/is?

i don't know, but i certainly recognize a weak attempt at deflection when i see one.



i still wonder who convinced kennedy to go forward with the bay of pigs.

It seems that Kennedy was a big fan of Ian Flemming, which caused much damage to US policies all over the world. Not only in Cuba, but also in Dominca and Viet Nam.

Spy shit to come later when Techy knowledge caught up...

 

[Amelia]

The White House announced in Sept. 2009 that it was voluntarily releasing the names of most White House visitors from Sept. 15 forward. However, the conservative group Judicial Watch sought information on visits before that date.

What is it alleged/suspected that they are hiding?

 

[The T]

The White House announced in Sept. 2009 that it was voluntarily releasing the names of most White House visitors from Sept. 15 forward. However, the conservative group Judicial Watch sought information on visits before that date.

What is it alleged/suspected that they are hiding?

Good question...Afraid Money laundering schemes would be exposed a-la crony capitalists?

 

[Amelia]

Also, do they think they can win?

Or are they just hoping to postpone the disclosure until after Nov. 2012?

 

[yidnar]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

i think ties to Solyndra is not his biggest concern ....who knows what kind of shady , anti American bastards have been visiting the White House !!

 

[The T]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

i think ties to Solyndra is not his biggest concern ....who knows what kind of shady , anti American bastards have been visiting the White House !!

Communists...Socialists...Crony Capitalists...Union Mongers...Anti-Americans...ALL.

 

[del]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

ooo a blog....pass.

ooo a dope...laugh

Obama blocks access to White House visitor list - politics - White House - msnbc.com

 

[rdean]

Visitor Access Records | The White House

Bush was by far the most secretive of any president. Which you would expect since he was busy making one disaster after another. But this is the White House. I'm sure there are meetings with people they simply can't release because it's national security. Like releasing the name of a "covert CIA agent". No administration would ever do that. It would be "treason", right?

 

[Dr.House]

"The Obama administration is appealing a judge's ruling that Secret Service records of visitors to the White House complex are subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act....

The position taken by the Obama Justice Department, namely that White House visitor records are presidential records and not agency records, is essentially the same one that the department took under President George W. Bush."


yeah, he's a breath of transparently fresh air, obama is.




meet the new boss

Obama administration appeals ruling on White House visitor logs - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

ooo a blog....pass.

Thats pretty funny coming from you, an idiot who has posted many a blog in the past...