More Guns Make People Safer

[boedicca]

Let's end our exorbitantly expensive, War on Drugs to find out.

As long as we enforce border security, that's fine with me.

Ending the war on drugs would immediately improve border security.

No it wouldn't. Stopping the enforcement of drug laws would make it less risky to cross the border carrying drugs.

It would remove the incentive to smuggle drugs over, and drastically weaken the cartels which are ruining the countries the immigrants are leaving. So it would also lessen the incentive for people to come over here.

It is estimated that marijuana legalization in Washington and Colorado is costing the cartels over a billion dollars each per year. And now that Oregon has legalized it, it'll probably be the same.

I doubt that. The cartels have the money and the will to use force. They won't give up the $$$ that easily. If anything, they'll move into the U.S. and set up operations here.

 

[boedicca]

One way in which Obama has transformed America: Increased gun ownership and lower murder rates.

We're safer with More Guns!

Since President Obama’s election the number of concealed handgun permits has soared, growing from 4.6 million in 2007 to over 12.8 million this year. Among the findings in our report:

-- The number of concealed handgun permits is increasing at an ever- increasing rate. Over the past year, 1.7 million additional new permits have been issued – a 15.4% increase in just one single year. This is the largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.

-- 5.2% of the total adult population has a permit.

-- Five states now have more than 10% of their adult population with concealed handgun permits.

-- In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry in all or virtually all of the state. This is a major reason why legal carrying handguns is growing so much faster than the number of permits.

-- Since 2007, permits for women has increased by 270% and for men by 156%.

-- Some evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

-- Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 156%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.

-- States with the largest increase in permits have seen the largest relative drops in murder rates.

-- Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors or felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted.

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States by John R. Lott John E Whitley Rebekah C. Riley SSRN

Comparing the decrease of 25% in the murder rate with the rapid increase in conceal-carry permits over the last 8 years means what? Is the reader to be lead to the conclusion that the increase in these permits have actually reduced the murder rate by that much over 8 years, and which the "paper" states was the case? Is there correlation between these two data sets? OK, lets entertain the position that that type of correlation is valid statistically and stands on its own.

Well, lets make another comparison involving guns and murder rates using the very same FBI data tables this group used, but from a different time and one other data set for comparison with the murder rate. First, here are the links for the FBI data:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls


Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!

Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation.

The "PAPER" is a product of the "Crime Prevention Research Center", a gun lobby organization headed by John Lott, a long time NRA shill!

^^^ Gun-hating Shill^^^

Where is your data for that conclusion? Don't have any, HUH!

You do understand that a person can be pro Amendment II and abhor gun lobby propaganda at the same time, do you not?

You're simply pissed because I pointed to the logical errors in that "paper" and somehow that may put a taint on your credibility. Well, it could so do some freakin' research before you post garbage!

Oh blah blah blah. You can't GROK a fact while it is staring you in the face.

And anyone who would label himself "ThoughCrimes" is revealing his true agenda.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Let's end our exorbitantly expensive, War on Drugs to find out.

As long as we enforce border security, that's fine with me.

Ending the war on drugs would immediately improve border security.

No it wouldn't. Stopping the enforcement of drug laws would make it less risky to cross the border carrying drugs.

It would remove the incentive to smuggle drugs over, and drastically weaken the cartels which are ruining the countries the immigrants are leaving. So it would also lessen the incentive for people to come over here.

It is estimated that marijuana legalization in Washington and Colorado is costing the cartels over a billion dollars each per year. And now that Oregon has legalized it, it'll probably be the same.

I doubt that. The cartels have the money and the will to use force. They won't give up the $$$ that easily. If anything, they'll move into the U.S. and set up operations here.

Uh, there's absolutely zero chance they would be able compete with Phillip-Morris and other big time companies legally distributing marijuana. They would just have to get out of the game. Take drug money away from the cartels, and the cartels vanish.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

One way in which Obama has transformed America: Increased gun ownership and lower murder rates.

We're safer with More Guns!

Since President Obama’s election the number of concealed handgun permits has soared, growing from 4.6 million in 2007 to over 12.8 million this year. Among the findings in our report:

-- The number of concealed handgun permits is increasing at an ever- increasing rate. Over the past year, 1.7 million additional new permits have been issued – a 15.4% increase in just one single year. This is the largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.

-- 5.2% of the total adult population has a permit.

-- Five states now have more than 10% of their adult population with concealed handgun permits.

-- In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry in all or virtually all of the state. This is a major reason why legal carrying handguns is growing so much faster than the number of permits.

-- Since 2007, permits for women has increased by 270% and for men by 156%.

-- Some evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

-- Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 156%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.

-- States with the largest increase in permits have seen the largest relative drops in murder rates.

-- Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors or felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted.

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States by John R. Lott John E Whitley Rebekah C. Riley SSRN

Comparing the decrease of 25% in the murder rate with the rapid increase in conceal-carry permits over the last 8 years means what? Is the reader to be lead to the conclusion that the increase in these permits have actually reduced the murder rate by that much over 8 years, and which the "paper" states was the case? Is there correlation between these two data sets? OK, lets entertain the position that that type of correlation is valid statistically and stands on its own.

Well, lets make another comparison involving guns and murder rates using the very same FBI data tables this group used, but from a different time and one other data set for comparison with the murder rate. First, here are the links for the FBI data:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls


Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!

Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation.

The "PAPER" is a product of the "Crime Prevention Research Center", a gun lobby organization headed by John Lott, a long time NRA shill!

^^^ Gun-hating Shill^^^

Where is your data for that conclusion? Don't have any, HUH!

You do understand that a person can be pro Amendment II and abhor gun lobby propaganda at the same time, do you not?

You're simply pissed because I pointed to the logical errors in that "paper" and somehow that may put a taint on your credibility. Well, it could so do some freakin' research before you post garbage!

Oh blah blah blah. You can't GROK at fact while it is staring you in the face.

And anyone who would label himself "ThoughCrimes" is revealing his true agenda.

So you believe everything you read without reservation or evaluation? How very, very scientific!

And regarding my tag, do you consider yourself well read...think about it!

 

[boedicca]

One way in which Obama has transformed America: Increased gun ownership and lower murder rates.

We're safer with More Guns!

Since President Obama’s election the number of concealed handgun permits has soared, growing from 4.6 million in 2007 to over 12.8 million this year. Among the findings in our report:

-- The number of concealed handgun permits is increasing at an ever- increasing rate. Over the past year, 1.7 million additional new permits have been issued – a 15.4% increase in just one single year. This is the largest ever single-year increase in the number of concealed handgun permits.

-- 5.2% of the total adult population has a permit.

-- Five states now have more than 10% of their adult population with concealed handgun permits.

-- In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry in all or virtually all of the state. This is a major reason why legal carrying handguns is growing so much faster than the number of permits.

-- Since 2007, permits for women has increased by 270% and for men by 156%.

-- Some evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

-- Between 2007 and 2014, murder rates have fallen from 5.6 to 4.2 (preliminary estimates) per 100,000. This represents a 25% drop in the murder rate at the same time that the percentage of the adult population with permits soared by 156%. Overall violent crime also fell by 25 percent over that period of time.

-- States with the largest increase in permits have seen the largest relative drops in murder rates.

-- Concealed handgun permit holders are extremely law-abiding. In Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of misdemeanors or felonies at one-sixth the rate that police officers are convicted.

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States by John R. Lott John E Whitley Rebekah C. Riley SSRN

Comparing the decrease of 25% in the murder rate with the rapid increase in conceal-carry permits over the last 8 years means what? Is the reader to be lead to the conclusion that the increase in these permits have actually reduced the murder rate by that much over 8 years, and which the "paper" states was the case? Is there correlation between these two data sets? OK, lets entertain the position that that type of correlation is valid statistically and stands on its own.

Well, lets make another comparison involving guns and murder rates using the very same FBI data tables this group used, but from a different time and one other data set for comparison with the murder rate. First, here are the links for the FBI data:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl01.xls

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/1tabledatadecoverviewpdf/table_1_crime_in_the_united_states_by_volume_and_rate_per_100000_inhabitants_1994-2013.xls


Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!

Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation.

The "PAPER" is a product of the "Crime Prevention Research Center", a gun lobby organization headed by John Lott, a long time NRA shill!

^^^ Gun-hating Shill^^^

Where is your data for that conclusion? Don't have any, HUH!

You do understand that a person can be pro Amendment II and abhor gun lobby propaganda at the same time, do you not?

You're simply pissed because I pointed to the logical errors in that "paper" and somehow that may put a taint on your credibility. Well, it could so do some freakin' research before you post garbage!

Oh blah blah blah. You can't GROK at fact while it is staring you in the face.

And anyone who would label himself "ThoughCrimes" is revealing his true agenda.

So you believe everything you read without reservation or evaluation? How very, very scientific!

And regarding my tag, do you consider yourself well read...think about it!

I am quite well read and apply Discerning Perception and Impeccable Good Taste to my choice of reading material. But thank you for your concern, although it is quite misplaced.

 

[Iceweasel]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

 

[Bonzi]

Everyone carries a gun.
No one f's with you ... the end.

 

[Iceweasel]

You do understand that a person can be pro Amendment II and abhor gun lobby propaganda at the same time, do you not?

You're simply pissed because I pointed to the logical errors in that "paper" and somehow that may put a taint on your credibility. Well, it could so do some freakin' research before you post garbage!

LOL. Where's your evidence that the gun lobby has propagandized anything? Why is your opinion Gospel while you hold others to strict standards of proof?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

 

[boedicca]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

I call Shenanigans.

There is no Full Contextual Reasoning to either your post or your conclusion other than Politically Correct SJW Codswallop.

 

[Iceweasel]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

It's obvious you can't answer simple questions. The reason is equally obvious.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

I call Shenanigans.

There is no Full Contextual Reasoning to either your post or your conclusion other than Politically Correct SJW Codswallop.

OH MY! I've been confounded in my...no wait...lets review what I wrote!

I provided the FBI's stat tables, then wrote:

"Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!
[THIS IS NOT THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]
Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
[DID YA'LL MISS THIS BIT?]

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation."
[THIS IS THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]

But your faction would rather refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient truths presented and hold obvious propaganda tightly to your breasts!

So your position is that 8 years of increased CC permitting has reduced the murder rate by 25%, BUT the Brady Act limiting access to certain weapons and accessories over the 8 years post passage didn't reduce the murder rate 41%. Where is the evidence that either the CC permitting increase OR the Brady Act impact the murder rate to the extents calculated? There is none in either case as I stated in the argument.

Now if you have PROOF that the CC permitting is solely responsible for the 25% reduction in the murder rate PRESENT IT. Otherwise, you and Polar Bear Boy have gone through the ice by your own inabilities to reason.

 

[Iceweasel]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

I call Shenanigans.

There is no Full Contextual Reasoning to either your post or your conclusion other than Politically Correct SJW Codswallop.

That's a rather fancy way to say he's full of shit.

 

[Iceweasel]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

I call Shenanigans.

There is no Full Contextual Reasoning to either your post or your conclusion other than Politically Correct SJW Codswallop.

OH MY! I've been confounded in my...no wait...lets review what I wrote!

I provided the FBI's stat tables, then wrote:

"Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Ah, Grasshopper, but the laws have been loosened since and murder rates are down. So much for your conclusions.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!

[THIS IS NOT THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]
Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
[DID YA'LL MISS THIS BIT?]

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation."
[THIS IS THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]

But your faction would rather refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient truths presented and hold obvious propaganda tightly to your breasts!

So your position is that 8 years of increased CC permitting has reduced the murder rate by 25%, BUT the Brady Act limiting access to certain weapons and accessories over the 8 years post passage didn't reduce the murder rate 41%. Where is the evidence that either the CC permitting increase OR the Brady Act impact the murder rate to the extents calculated? There is none in either case as I stated in the argument.

Now if you have PROOF that the CC permitting is solely responsible for the 25% reduction in the murder rate PRESENT IT. Otherwise, you and Polar Bear Boy have gone through the ice by your own inabilities to reason.

You're making the claim based on flawed reasoning. Where's your evidence that firearm restrictions by the Brady Act were the ones used in the murders and that murders didn't occur because of it? You reached a conclusion based on opinions and backed up by assertions.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!!

We'll wait for you to prove it. The facts are that gun sales are way up, ccw laws liberalized and murder is down.Now it could be that it's due to the planetary alignment or sun spots but reasonable people will draw reasonable conclusions. More guns did not create more crime either, another coincidence?

It's obvious you didn't comprehend the full context of that argument by taking that single line from its train of reasoning. Care to take another stab at it by encompassing the full contextual reasoning and my conclusion? If it is beyond your capability, don't overly tax yourself to the point of injury.

I call Shenanigans.

There is no Full Contextual Reasoning to either your post or your conclusion other than Politically Correct SJW Codswallop.

OH MY! I've been confounded in my...no wait...lets review what I wrote!

I provided the FBI's stat tables, then wrote:

"Following the very same "logic" used in the "paper", there must be a correlation between gun control laws and the murder rate. In 1993 the Gun Control Act of 1968 was amended by the "Brady Act". In 1993, the FBI documented murder rate per 100k was 9.5%, which fell to 5.6% 8 years later in 2001; the same 8 year span set out in the "paper". Drawing the same conclusion as in the "paper", the Brady Act reduced the murder rate by 41%.

Ah, Grasshopper, but the laws have been loosened since and murder rates are down. So much for your conclusions.

Therefore, both conceal-carry and gun control regulations are effective in reducing the murder rate, BUT gun control legislation is more effective than conceal-carry permitting!!!!

[THIS IS NOT THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]
Are either of the first or second correlation conclusions statistically true? Of course not!

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
[DID YA'LL MISS THIS BIT?]

An attempt to correlate two data sets, in and of itself alone by simple comparison of those two data sets over time, does NOT convey nor imply causation. In statistics, that is expressed in Latin as "cum hoc ergo propter hoc". With regards to the "paper" one variable when compared with a second variable does not imply one supports the other in the conclusion of a causation."
[THIS IS THE CONCLUSION TO THE ARGUMENT]

But your faction would rather refuse to acknowledge the inconvenient truths presented and hold obvious propaganda tightly to your breasts!

So your position is that 8 years of increased CC permitting has reduced the murder rate by 25%, BUT the Brady Act limiting access to certain weapons and accessories over the 8 years post passage didn't reduce the murder rate 41%. Where is the evidence that either the CC permitting increase OR the Brady Act impact the murder rate to the extents calculated? There is none in either case as I stated in the argument.

Now if you have PROOF that the CC permitting is solely responsible for the 25% reduction in the murder rate PRESENT IT. Otherwise, you and Polar Bear Boy have gone through the ice by your own inabilities to reason.

You're making the claim based on flawed reasoning. Where's your evidence that firearm restrictions by the Brady Act were the ones used in the murders and that murders didn't occur because of it? You reached a conclusion based on opinions and backed up by assertions.

That IS the point you DIPSTICK. The reasoning in BOTH cases is flawed! That was the point, but you are clearly stuck on stupid.

Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!
Is the final conclusion drawn from those correlations statistically true? Again, NO! The product is false. There is no statistical correlation!!!!

 

[IsaacNewton]

More hand-grenades make people safer.
More bazookas make people safer.
More fully auto .50 caliber machine guns make people safer.
More tanks make people safer.
More nuclear weapons make people safer.

Yes, let's get everyone on Earth armed with all these glorious weapons because the ability to kill other people makes all other people safer.

Why then are cons whining incessantly about Iran getting a nuke.

It is conservative mental illness. They are terrified of life and they want everyone else to be terrified of life with them.

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

More hand-grenades make people safer.
More bazookas make people safer.
More fully auto .50 caliber machine guns make people safer.
More tanks make people safer.
More nuclear weapons make people safer.

Yes, let's get everyone on Earth armed with all these glorious weapons because the ability to kill other people makes all other people safer.

Why then are cons whining incessantly about Iran getting a nuke.

It is conservative mental illness. They are terrified of life and they want everyone else to be terrified of life with them.

That doe not necessarily apply to we Conservatives of an earlier time before FAUX News, Brietbart, Drudge, PNAC, sundry Neocons, et al, came to poison pliable mind with falsehood, bigotry and the Big Lie Machine. Now the lemmings of the fascist ilk simply parrot what they're instructed and taught that only black and white exist albeit diametrically.

"Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."
~~G.O.~~

 

[IsaacNewton]

More hand-grenades make people safer.
More bazookas make people safer.
More fully auto .50 caliber machine guns make people safer.
More tanks make people safer.
More nuclear weapons make people safer.

Yes, let's get everyone on Earth armed with all these glorious weapons because the ability to kill other people makes all other people safer.

Why then are cons whining incessantly about Iran getting a nuke.

It is conservative mental illness. They are terrified of life and they want everyone else to be terrified of life with them.

That doe not necessarily apply to we Conservatives of an earlier time before FAUX News, Brietbart, Drudge, PNAC, sundry Neocons, et al, came to poison pliable mind with falsehood, bigotry and the Big Lie Machine. Now the lemmings of the fascist ilk simply parrot what they're instructed and taught that only black and white exist albeit diametrically.

"Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia."
~~G.O.~~

Yes I remember 40 years ago or so the Republicans were normal people that had their views but who DID compromise and work for the betterment of the entire population. Nixon proposed and supported creation of the EPA. Can you imagine that! A Republican president who basically created the EPA.

So yes I do remember a time before Faux News and Dimbaugh balkanized politics, when Republicans were still Americans. I have friends that are Republicans who also lament what has become of that party.

 

[charwin95]

More guns makes people safer.
Let's see....there's so much guns in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit just to name a few.... Is that mean I'm safe to walk on these city streets.

We are talking about concealed carry permits.... You know, where people are LEGALLY allowed to possess and carry a weapon? Or can't you see the difference?

Difference is more and more people got murdered by lunatics gun owners. What is the difference more guns....

 

[charwin95]

More guns makes people safer.
Let's see....there's so much guns in Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit just to name a few.... Is that mean I'm safe to walk on these city streets.

In Chicago, crime has dropped now that people are able to get conceal carry permits.

...
Since Illinois started granting concealed carry permits this year, the number of robberies that have led to arrests in Chicago has declined 20 percent from last year, according to police department statistics. Reports of burglary and motor vehicle theft are down 20 percent and 26 percent, respectively. In the first quarter, the city’s homicide rate was at a 56-year low.

“It isn’t any coincidence crime rates started to go down when concealed carry was permitted. Just the idea that the criminals don’t know who’s armed and who isn’t has a deterrence effect,” said Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association. “The police department hasn’t changed a single tactic — they haven’t announced a shift in policy or of course — and yet you have these incredible numbers.”

As of July 29 the state had 83,183 applications for concealed carry and had issued 68,549 licenses. By the end of the year, Mr. Pearson estimates, 100,000 Illinois citizens will be packing. When Illinois began processing requests in January, gun training and shooting classes — which are required for the application — were filling up before the rifle association was able to schedule them, Mr. Pearson said....

Chicago crime rate drops as concealed carry gun permit applications surge - Washington Times


Really, this is shooting a fish in a barrel. A search engine would easily have revealed this info if you had bothered to do a little homework before spewing your uninformed opinion.

Lol....Baltimore????