More evidence that more gun laws are not what is needed in the US

[jc456]

The legislation, which passed the House 234-193 Friday night following Senate approval Thursday, includes incentives for states to pass so-called red flag laws that allow groups to petition courts to remove weapons from people deemed a threat to themselves or others.

In addition, the bill expands an existing law that prevents people convicted of domestic abuse from owning a gun to include dating partners rather than just spouses and former spouses.

It also expands background checks on people between the ages of 18 and 21 seeking to buy a gun.

The National Rifle Association says it opposes the bill.

Biden signs gun safety bill into law

The president's signing comes just over a month after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, killed 19 children and two adults.

www.npr.org

Cuz the NRA wants gun violence to cause people to feel they need a gun.

violates 2nd amendment right to protect oneself.

 

[sartre play]

ITS a choice, people who have shown violence, or mental problems having there ability to own guns questioned. OR dead school childern, people attending church, or enjoying a concert. Your choice.

 

[jc456]

ITS a choice, people who have shown violence, or mental problems having there ability to own guns questioned. OR dead school childern, people attending church, or enjoying a concert. Your choice.

you know, those people who did those crimes were not arrested with existing laws? Why? Especially the Parkland shooter. Got an anwer?

 

[Markle]

The point is that many countries are as 'diverse' as the US, you dog whistling racist, but because they control the weapons their homicide and mass shooting rates are fractions of that of the US.
You will just keep making excuses for your penis extensions no matter what facts are bought forward. This is understood, no worries.

Which major countries are as diverse as the United States?

Are you even aware that many of those gun-free countries have far more violent crime than we do here in the United States?

 

[Markle]

Lol. If you're happier being compared to third world countries I can understand that.
I'm just amused at the list of excuses produced/goal posts shifted when countries' homicide and mass shooting rates are compared.

'Diversity', 'Population', 'Size'....never a mention of the vast difference in firearm control philosophy. Funny that.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

The adage freedom isn't free does not only apply to treasure. We have a Second Amendment. Live with it or change the constitution. It really is that simple.

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.
By James Slack
UPDATED:18:14 EST, 2 July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 920 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

Read more: Britain the most violent country in Europe and even worse than South Africa and U.S.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Dagosa]

Dems want to BAN guns, period. Their BS about reducing gun violence is just the fake strawman they use to attack the 2nd amendment. That's why proving to Dems 1,000 times their gun control laws don't reduce gun violence falls on deaf ears. That isn't their true goal.

Bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

Lol. If you're happier being compared to third world countries I can understand that.
I'm just amused at the list of excuses produced/goal posts shifted when countries' homicide and mass shooting rates are compared.

'Diversity', 'Population', 'Size'....never a mention of the vast difference in firearm control philosophy. Funny that.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

The countries of Europe murdered 15 million

Lol. If you're happier being compared to third world countries I can understand that.
I'm just amused at the list of excuses produced/goal posts shifted when countries' homicide and mass shooting rates are compared.

'Diversity', 'Population', 'Size'....never a mention of the vast difference in firearm control philosophy. Funny that.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

No, let's compare us to Europe......

1939-1945 after banning and confiscating guns......the things you want to do for the exact same reasons you give........ the governments of Europe murdered 15 million men, women and children.

6 years, and 15 million innocent men, women and children murdered.

The entire history of the U.S. 246 years...gun murder?

Around 2,460,000.

The victims of the majority of this gun murder are not innocent men, women and children....they are violent career criminals engaged in violent criminal activity.

So the very countries that you dream we would be like murdered more people, in just 6 years, than the entire 246 year history of the United States and criminal gun murder here....

There is no comparison........... they banned and confiscated guns for the exact same reasons you are giving us today.....then went on to murder 15 million people...their governments, not their citizens...

You have no argument for banning guns...

 

[2aguy]

That propaganda is what the NRA wants you to believe. But we know from the evidence gun possession makes a person more vulnerable to gun violence.

No...you dumb ass twit....... drug use, alcohol abuse, and criminal history makes one vulnerable to gun violence...you dumb shit.......

the majority of those murdered with guns are people who are criminals, or the friends and family of criminals.......you clod.

 

[2aguy]

The legislation, which passed the House 234-193 Friday night following Senate approval Thursday, includes incentives for states to pass so-called red flag laws that allow groups to petition courts to remove weapons from people deemed a threat to themselves or others.

In addition, the bill expands an existing law that prevents people convicted of domestic abuse from owning a gun to include dating partners rather than just spouses and former spouses.

It also expands background checks on people between the ages of 18 and 21 seeking to buy a gun.

The National Rifle Association says it opposes the bill.

Biden signs gun safety bill into law

The president's signing comes just over a month after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, killed 19 children and two adults.

www.npr.org

Cuz the NRA wants gun violence to cause people to feel they need a gun.

No....because giving the government the power to violate the Constitutional Rights of citizens is fucking stupid......cause we have never seen the government abuse the ability to circumvent due process....right? You dumb ass.

 

[2aguy]

Gun sellers follow strict licensing procedures.​

Swiss authorities decide on a local level whether to give people gun permits. They also keep a log of everyone who owns a gun in their region — known as a canton — though hunting rifles and some semiautomatic long arms are exempt from the permit requirement.
Cantonal police don't take their duty doling out gun licenses lightly. They might consult a psychiatrist or talk with authorities in other cantons where a prospective gun buyer has lived to vet the person.


Swiss laws are designed to prevent anyone who's violent or incompetent from owning a gun.

People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland.
The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun.
Gun owners who want to carry their weapon for "defensive purposes" also have to prove they can properly load, unload, and shoot their weapon and must pass a test to get a license.


Common sense gun control laws like these are routinely resisted by the NRA and conservatives.

And none of those laws actually stop someone from committing a mass public shooting.......there are guns all over.......and if someone wanted a gun to use in a mass public shooting, they would simply steal it...you idiot.


The problem is the democrat party........not the NRA or republicans.....

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.


supplying a firearm to a gang member,

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felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

 

[jc456]

The countries of Europe murdered 15 million


No, let's compare us to Europe......

1939-1945 after banning and confiscating guns......the things you want to do for the exact same reasons you give........ the governments of Europe murdered 15 million men, women and children.

6 years, and 15 million innocent men, women and children murdered.

The entire history of the U.S. 246 years...gun murder?

Around 2,460,000.

The victims of the majority of this gun murder are not innocent men, women and children....they are violent career criminals engaged in violent criminal activity.

So the very countries that you dream we would be like murdered more people, in just 6 years, than the entire 246 year history of the United States and criminal gun murder here....

There is no comparison........... they banned and confiscated guns for the exact same reasons you are giving us today.....then went on to murder 15 million people...their governments, not their citizens...

You have no argument for banning guns...

How about Russia and China?

 

[Leweman]

More unenforced gun laws are what we need. Also more selectively enforced political laws. We need more of those too.

 

[Dagosa]

More unenforced gun laws are what we need. Also more selectively enforced political laws. We need more of those too.

Thats what you would like. Gun laws are unenforced when they have no provision for enforcement. That’s what secondary gun sales are all about. There is no provision for enforcement. There is for primary and FFL dealers. But gunaholics are against these added provisions so they can keep their criminal friends supplied with firearms.

 

[Leweman]

Thats what you would like. Gun laws are unenforced when they have no provision for enforcement. That’s what secondary gun sales are all about. There is no provision for enforcement. There is for primary and FFL dealers. But gunaholics are against these added provisions so they can keep their criminal friends supplied with firearms.

Sounds good.

 

[Failzero]

Register Socialists not Firearms

 

[Dagosa]

Sounds good.

Knew you’d like to continue.

 

[2aguy]

How about Russia and China?

Russia....25 million murdered....

China....over 70 million murdered......

 

[Dagosa]

Register Socialists not Firearms

You are already. You participate in the SS and Medicare trust fund. YOU are an effin socialist.

 

[Failzero]

No I’m a Conservative Nationalist Republican Militia inspired Shasta County Recall voter ( Who practices Judaism)

 

[Dagosa]

No I’m a Conservative Nationalist Republican Militia inspired Shasta County Recall voter ( Who practices Judaism)

A fascist for short.