More evidence that more gun laws are not what is needed in the US

[Ray From Cleveland]

Can we put the same rules into effect here? Will you sign off on that?

What good would that do with liberals? The problem in their cities is they don't enforce the gun laws we have now.

 

[M14 Shooter]

but because they control the weapons their homicide and mass shooting rates are fractions of that of the US.

You know you csannot demonstrate this to be true.

 

[cnm]

Then why is it when you commies compare countries it's always mostly white European countries to ours?

Lol. If you're happier being compared to third world countries I can understand that.
I'm just amused at the list of excuses produced/goal posts shifted when countries' homicide and mass shooting rates are compared.

'Diversity', 'Population', 'Size'....never a mention of the vast difference in firearm control philosophy. Funny that.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

 

[cnm]

You know you csannot demonstrate this to be true.

Facts do not care that your ignorance is invincible.

 

[cnm]

I like your logic…lets expand on it….Why deprive whites, Asians and other law abiding groups of constitutional rights…why not just focus on “controlling the weapons” as you say….by keeping them from dark Democrats?

Because Freedom! is the most important thing, right?

 

[BrokeLoser]

Because Freedom! is the most important thing, right?

Well…freedom is kinda America’s most core tenet.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Facts do not care that your ignorance is invincible.

Nothing here changes the fact you know you cannot demonstrate your claim to be true.

 

[1stNickD]

Because Freedom! is the most important thing, right?

mass murder has nothing to do with freedom. Our societies descent into total madness has everything to do with mass murder. And as our society descends itno this lawless madness only a fool would not arm themselves to protect their families and homes. 400 million guns in the hands of Americans, if it were the guns fault there would be no people today.

 

[M14 Shooter]

mass murder has nothing to do with freedom.

One of the drawbacks of a free society is the freedom makes it easy to commit mass murder.

Better to live in a society where mass murdwr is possible than one where it is not.

 

[berg80]

It's just too bad the not so United States has become a toilet of Leftism.

Would you mind explaining how you got there seeing as the thread holds up a socialist country as an example of why the US doesn't need more gun laws (but never explains why)? Thanks.

 

[Votto]

Would you mind explaining how you got there seeing as the thread holds up a socialist country as an example of why the US doesn't need more gun laws (but never explains why)? Thanks.

With ever rising crime, and greater police suppression, the lives of Americans depend on their ability to defend themselves.

Gun rights is a matter of life and death now.

Everyone needs to channel their inner Rittenhouse.

 

[berg80]

Because Freedom! is the most important thing, right?

Based on evidence, the dubiously asserted right gun lovers claim that they should have unfettered access to any gun they damn please because the Founders thought it was a good idea for a well regulated militia to possess a musket, is clearly more important to them than the lives of fellow human beings.

 

[berg80]

With ever rising crime, and greater police suppression, the lives of Americans depend on their ability to defend themselves.

That propaganda is what the NRA wants you to believe. But we know from the evidence gun possession makes a person more vulnerable to gun violence.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Based on evidence, the dubiously asserted right gun lovers claim that they should have unfettered access to any gun they damn please...

Straw, man.

because the Founders thought it was a good idea for a well regulated militia to possess a musket, is clearly more important to them than the lives of fellow human beings.

The USSC discarded your argument 2 decades ago.
Try to keep up.

 

[M14 Shooter]

But we know from the evidence gun possession makes a person more vulnerable to gun violence.

Assuming for the moment your correlation is true...
...how does that prove causation?

 

[berg80]

Gun sellers follow strict licensing procedures.​

Swiss authorities decide on a local level whether to give people gun permits. They also keep a log of everyone who owns a gun in their region — known as a canton — though hunting rifles and some semiautomatic long arms are exempt from the permit requirement.
Cantonal police don't take their duty doling out gun licenses lightly. They might consult a psychiatrist or talk with authorities in other cantons where a prospective gun buyer has lived to vet the person.


Swiss laws are designed to prevent anyone who's violent or incompetent from owning a gun.

People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland.
The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun.
Gun owners who want to carry their weapon for "defensive purposes" also have to prove they can properly load, unload, and shoot their weapon and must pass a test to get a license.


Common sense gun control laws like these are routinely resisted by the NRA and conservatives.

 

[Flash]

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

www.yahoo.com

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

www.businessinsider.com

Switzerland hasn't had a mass shooting since 2001, when a man stormed the local parliament in Zug, killing 14 people and then himself.

The country has about 2 million privately owned guns in a nation of 8.3 million people. In 2016, the country had 47 attempted homicides with firearms. The country's overall murder rate is near zero.

The National Rifle Association often points to Switzerland to argue that more rules on gun ownership aren't necessary. In 2016, the NRA said on its blog that the European country had one of the lowest murder rates in the world while still having millions of privately owned guns and a few hunting weapons that don't even require a permit.

But the Swiss have some specific rules and regulations for gun use.

Insider took a look at the country's past with guns to see why it has lower rates of gun violence than the US, where after a mass shooting that killed 5 and injured 25 at an LGBTQ+ nightclub in Colorado, gun-death rates are now at their highest in more than 20 years, and the leading cause of death for children and adolescents.

Zurich's Knabenschiessen is a traditional annual festival that dates back to the 1600s.
Though the word roughly translates to "boys shooting" and the competition used to be only boys, teenage girls have been allowed in since 1991.
Kids in the country flock to the competition every September to compete in target shooting using Swiss army-service rifles. They're proud to show off how well they can shoot.
The competition values accuracy above all else, and officials crown a Schutzenkonig — a king or queen of marksmen — based on results.


The Swiss stance is one of "armed neutrality."

Switzerland hasn't taken part in any international armed conflict since 1815, but some Swiss soldiers help with peacekeeping missions around the world.

Many Swiss see gun ownership as part of a patriotic duty to protect their homeland.

Unlike the US, Switzerland has mandatory military service for men.
The government gives all men between the ages of 18 and 34 deemed "fit for service" a pistol or a rifle and training on how to use them.
After they've finished their service, the men can typically buy and keep their service weapons, but they have to get a permit for them.
In recent years, the Swiss government has voted to reduce the size of the country's armed forces.


Switzerland's borders are basically designed to blow up on command, with at least 3,000 demolition points on bridges, roads, rails, and tunnels around the landlocked European country.

John McPhee put it this way in his book "La Place de la Concorde Suisse":

"Near the German border of Switzerland, every railroad and highway tunnel has been prepared to pinch shut explosively. Nearby mountains have been made so porous that whole divisions can fit inside them."

In 2000, more than 25% of Swiss gun owners said they kept their weapon for military or police duty, while less than 5% of Americans said the same.

The Swiss government has estimated that about half of the privately owned guns in the country are former service rifles. But there are signs the Swiss gun-to-human ratio is dwindling.

In 2007, the Small Arms Survey found that Switzerland had the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55).

But it seems that figure has dropped over the past decade. The University of Sydney now estimates that there's about one civilian gun for every three Swiss people.

All fascinating stuff.

But the Swiss has not been overrun with leftists like the US has. As a result, it does not have a government at war with half or more of it's citizens. The Swiss seem to value the Patriarchal family, they are proud of their culture and history and not ashamed of it as they try to eradicate it at all costs. Drugs are not flowing across an uncontrolled border and destroying society, etc.

They also have some of the most stringent immigration laws in the world.

Switzerland is like a right wing utopia.

So why does the Left seem to leave them the hell alone? You guessed it, all the corrupt Leftists put their money there.

The same kind if stats are here in the US.

Many states like MT, WY, SD, ND etc have tremendously high per capita gun ownership and very low gun crime.

Gun crime in the US is mostly in the Democrat controlled big city shitholes among minority druggies, gang bangers, street thugs and other ghetto low lifes.

 

[jc456]

Freedom!

so freedom is bad?

 

[jc456]

Gun sellers follow strict licensing procedures.​

Swiss authorities decide on a local level whether to give people gun permits. They also keep a log of everyone who owns a gun in their region — known as a canton — though hunting rifles and some semiautomatic long arms are exempt from the permit requirement.
Cantonal police don't take their duty doling out gun licenses lightly. They might consult a psychiatrist or talk with authorities in other cantons where a prospective gun buyer has lived to vet the person.


Swiss laws are designed to prevent anyone who's violent or incompetent from owning a gun.

People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland.
The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be permitted to own a gun.
Gun owners who want to carry their weapon for "defensive purposes" also have to prove they can properly load, unload, and shoot their weapon and must pass a test to get a license.


Common sense gun control laws like these are routinely resisted by the NRA and conservatives.

see, the issue you keep avoiding or missing, is that if someone wants to take you out, they will. Darrell Brooks. Proves your nonsense wrong as you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[berg80]

The legislation, which passed the House 234-193 Friday night following Senate approval Thursday, includes incentives for states to pass so-called red flag laws that allow groups to petition courts to remove weapons from people deemed a threat to themselves or others.

In addition, the bill expands an existing law that prevents people convicted of domestic abuse from owning a gun to include dating partners rather than just spouses and former spouses.

It also expands background checks on people between the ages of 18 and 21 seeking to buy a gun.

The National Rifle Association says it opposes the bill.

Biden signs gun safety bill into law

The president's signing comes just over a month after the mass shooting at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, killed 19 children and two adults.

www.npr.org

Cuz the NRA wants gun violence to cause people to feel they need a gun.